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VALLEY PETTY SESSIONS 'DID NOT IBELIEYIE IS BIFIPIX3 SHEEP. •MONDAY.—iB>e fore Chancellor Richards (chairman), Dr E. P. Edwards, (Major Fox Pitt, .R. Gardner, Esq., IR E. Jones, Esq., J. N. Thomas, Esq., Rice •Rowlands, Esq. CONDOLENCE.—'The Cliairnian, at the opening of the Court, referred to the loss sus- tained by the death of Captain Kendall, J.P. The deceased gentleman was a firm a,nd loyal friend, and an excellent magistrate. They would miss his genial preanc from th Courts. He asked the clerk to writo to the bereaved family expressincr the sympathy of the Bench. — Mr R. Gordon Roberts, on behalf of the ad- vocates, endorsed the chairman's remarks. ^SWOtRX IN.—iHugh Williams, of the L. and X.-W. detoctivo force, \va^ sworn in as a (P.C. for the county. TEMPORARY TRANSFsER.—ilr R. E. Pritcha.rd applied for the temporray traiisrer of the license of the Crown Inn, Holyhead! from the name of the deceased licensee, Mrs M. A. Thomson, to that of her husband, .Mr Arthur Thomson.—The applicat ion was ^ranted. DTD NOT BELIEVE IN 'DIPPINC.-1P.C. 9 (Evan 'Williams) summoned Ann iWilliams, Ty Hen, Llanbeulan, with having- 29 undipped Bheep on her premises.—The defendant" said that she did! not believe in dipping, and had dressed^ the sheep all over with "Thomas Evans' dressing.—She was fined 5s including costs. A similar ca^e was .preferred against William Williams, Ty Delyn, Iianrhyddlad, in respect of three sheep.—jJeiendant was fiiifd. costs. A similar ca^e waspreferred against William Williams, Ty Delyn, Iianrhyddlad, in respect of three sheep.—jJeiendant was fiiifd. 2s 6d including costs. (P.C. 2.8 (William Davenport) charged Evan Williams, Ty Mawr, Llantrisant, with -having forty-three undipped! sheep.—Defendant was fined 5s and cost.—The Chairman said that any iuturo cases would be severely dealt with, and com- plimented the police upon the performance of their d'uty. The question was a most tsei-iou-s one for farmers, a-nd they hoped these ca823 would be a warning to all who keot- sheen. WHO OWNED 'ilHE DOG.—P.O. 21 <lvho- mag Jones, Owalchrnai) charged 'William Ilo- | berts, Tai LawT, Llechylcbod, with keeping a. dog without a license.Mr R. (Jordon Robei-ts defended, and said that the clog had belopjgcvi' I to Mr William Williams, 1Y Liwyn. and. was kept by defendant on his behalf. A license hsd been taken out for the <log for ten or eleven yeare by Mr WTi'iia;ns, who also recompensed I defeiwlant for keeping the dog, which was used for the purpose of keeping the Ty Llwyn I sheep from wandering.—Defendant .Ibore out this statement, and said that he had since drowned the dog, as it was of no use to him.—- The case was dismissed, but the (Bench said they did not understand why defendant drowned a dosr which did not belonc to him.. (HEAVY PENALTY—Mr W. A. P.itc-hio, excise officer, Hoivhead. summoned Wilnam Williams, Penhenllys, Ty Croes, Aberffraw, for keeping a carriage without a license.—iThia case was a second offence, and defendant was 'I fined £ 5. HIS HEART WAS CLEAR.—P.C. 9 (Evan Williams) charged Henry Fagan, 3, Baptist- street, Holyhead, with the larceny of two ducks.—Miss Ann Jones, IBull Inn, said that on Saturday she missed a couple of white ducks. On Friday night she had seen Fagan about.—■ Mai-y Ann IBtraith wâite, Harrnstreel, (H >lyhead, deposed that on Friday ni^ht defendant askcxl her to buy a d'irk for Is 6d. She refused, and he went out. The duck, a. white one, was under I his arm.—Jos. Hindley, The Cottage, said that on Frday evenng he saw Fasan at the Bliif) Bell with a. duck under his right arm.-Florence Elizabeth Williams, a little girl of seven, said she saw defendant taking ducks from the road in front of the Bull1.—P.C. 9 {Evan Williams) deposed that he charged defendant, who said, "1 don't think I did "take, any diucks from the J' Bull or offer any for sale at iLoixlon-road, but if I did, I am very sorry. I don't remember, as I was he,,avy in drink them days." (Witness saw Fagan outside the (Bull on the 5th, about 9 p.m. Defendant Left him and went towards Holyhead, but witness heard him ''afterwards Holyhead, but witness heard him 'a.f forwards returning.—Defendant pleaxied not guilty, and I denied any knowledge of the ducks.—The Etench imposed: a fine of 10s and costs. Defeai- dant's wife, in tears, asked for time to pay, as he had been out of work for six months, fiho said she would try to borrow tho money.-De- fendant: You won't borrow it from me. 'J will go to gaol ibefore I will pav, for my heart is quite clean about those, ducks.—Defendant's wife, however, persuaded him not to carry out his threat, and promised to find the money. NO LIGHT.^— P.O. 9 (Evan Williame) chafed! Frederick Priestley, Wailaaey, Mar- gate, with Tiding a bicycle without a light.—■ Defendant wa^ fined 10s and costs. EDUCATION CASKS.— Mr IR. H. Williams, EDUCATION CASKS.— Mr IR. H. Williams, secretary to the Anglesey Education Committee, I appeared to prosecute a number of parents for not sending their children to school.—The fol- lowing fines were imposed :—'William Thomas, CTiycyn. Llnnrhvddhd. 5s: A.Tr> pTitcha.rd, Rhosgalch, Llanrhyddlad, 2s 6d Mrs Roberts, Bodawen, Llanfaethlu, os; Robert Roberts, Ty'ncoed Ba,ch, Llanfairneubwll, 5s; George Owen, Baptist-etreet, Iiodedern 5s; Robert Jones, IBack-street, IBKxledyin, 2s 6d.

CARNARVON AND THE ELECTRIC LIGHT PROPOSED PARLIAMENTARY BILL. INTERESTING DISCUSSION IN THE COUNCIL. THE MAYOR'S RULING. j At the adjourned meeting of the Carnarvon Town Council, on (Friday night, the Mayor I (Mr W. A. Darbishire) presiding, reports were presented wÚh reference to the electric light, and tiu question of promoting a private bill. What is called the Sudbury Judgment in the High Couirt has for some tinio caused the Coun- cil uneasiness as to 'the legality of their agree- ments with the National Construction Com- pany in connection with the town's electric liapply scheme, and for several months there has b-eóll under consideration the question of pro- moting a Parliamentary Bill with the view of remedying the defect, and enabling the Coun- cil to have further borrowing power. In Sep- tember 'the members of the Electricity Com- mittee of tlueo Corporation liad an inter- view at Carnarvon with Mr David Lloyd George, the President of the Board of Trade, when the position of the Cor- poration under their electric lighting agree- ment was discussed. Air Lloyd-George in- formed fchem that they might depend upon the Board of Trade doing everything within their power to help them, and he requested them to send him a statement of the position of affairs together with a copy of Mr MacMorran's opin- ion on the agreement. He would then see the | President of the {Local Government 'Board, or Mr Runciman, and endeavour to overcome their objection to the sanctioning of the further loana required. If he could save the town the ex- ipense of a. private Bin, he would do so. After Mr Lloyd-George's return to London a letter was sent to him reminding him that the matter was becoming urgent, and he replied saying that he had been unable to see the President I of the Local Government Board owing to ab- I sence, but would attend to the matter on hia return. In view of the fact that the advertise- mente of the private Bill must appear at the I latest on the following November, it was re- solved that a deputation should see Mr Lloyd- George in London and endeavour to obtain a settlement, and, should it be necessary to pro- ceed with a private Billj the Town Clerk was authorised to engage a Parliamentary agent and proceed, as far as possible with the busi- ness. At a subsequent meeting of the committee the Town Clerk reported that he had not been able to make an appointment with the President of the !Board of Trade, consequently the de- putation had not proceeded to (London. The Accountant, however, reported that he 'had called at the offices of the IBoard of Trade to inquire what was being done. He was informed by Air Lloyd-George's private secretary that Mr Lloyd-George thought the 'best course for the Council to pursue would be to proceed with the promotion of a private Bill on the lineG of the draft Bill which they had already sub- mitted to him. In the meantime the question was being carefully" considered 'by the Board of Trade in conjunction with their legal ad- visers, and should it be possible by any action of the Board to relieve the Council of the neces- sity of proceeding further with the Bi'l, the Council would be informed of the fact without delay. Should it be necessary for the Bill to be carried) through Parliament, iMr Lloyd- George would do all in his power to facilitate its progress. The secretary further stated that at Mr Lloyd-George's request he had that morning been across to the offices of the Local Government Board to inquire whether it was passible to obtain the sanction to borrow suffi- cient for their present requirements. The Board informed him that it was not within their power to give the sanction applied for, and under those circumstances he advised the Council to dismiss from their minds all hope of obtaining the sanction until the difficulty had been settled. The Accountant further reported that he had called at the offices of the Local Government Board with a. view to obtaining their apprvaJ to the draft (Bill. The Board was not prepared to give a formal approval, although they did "hot see that there was any- thing in the proposals to which they could ob- ject. In order to facilitate matters, they re- quested to be supplied with a full statement and the reasons for promoting the Bill, together with a copy of the correspondence showing toe attitude of the Board of Trade on the qnes- tion. The committee resolved that all three I agreements, viz., the working agreement, the construction agreement, and the free wiring agreement, be scheduled in the bill, and that the Town Clerk and Accountant draw out the tixlvert.isem>onte, taking the advice of the Par- Jiamentary agent if necessary. Councillor W. G. Thomas (chairman of the Elpdricity Committee) proposed that the re- port of ths committee be adopted. Councillor Carter When is the last day for civing notice of the intended bill ? In one part I of tlho report the 27th November is given and in another part the 16th as the last day. It I would be of great assistance at the present moment' if I knew which date is the correct OflV* Councillor J. T. Roberts: That will arise when item 24 on the agenda is discussed, namely, Councillor W. G. Thomas's proposal to promote a private bill. Councillor darter: We are now discussing t'ho minutes, and I was going to move that we do not pass them to-night; butt that the matter be discussed thoroughly at a later date. I should like to have more information. THE MAYOR'S RULING. The Mayor This is the committee's record, and if we find that it is correct —— Councillor Carter: We. are not obliged to adopt it. The Mayor: Allow me to finish. The sub- ject matter of the minutes will later, This is merely a record of what has been done. If it is incorrect we cannot pass it. Councillor Carter: I thought now was the Councillor Carter: I thought now was the best time to ask a question. The Mayor We are only discussing the con- firmation or not of the minutes. Councillor Carter said that he always under- stood that when they were adopting the minutes of a committee they were confirming what had been done. 'He, therefore, thought that that was the proper time, before the minutes were adopted, to discuss each item seriatim. The Mayor: We lare discussing the con- j firmation of the minutes as a correct record of what passed. Councillor Carter I move that the minutes be pasaed when we take itx'-m 24 on the agenda. I ,a.m not questioning your ruling, but am ask- ing whether we shall not b& in order in taking the minutes when we discuss item 24. The Mayor I think not. The question is —are these minutes correct or not? Ultimately the minutes were adopted. PROPOSED PRIVATE BILL. 1 At a later stage of the proceedings Council- lor W. G. Thomas proposed :—"That a bill be promoted by the Council of the "Borough of Carnarvon in the next session of Parliament to authorise land confirm certain agreements dated respectively June 18th, 1903, July 22nd, 1904, and October 7th, 1904, and made be- tween the Mayor, .Almrmen and Burgesses of the Borough of Carnarvon of the one part, and the National Electric Construction Company, Limited, of the other part, and to mlake provi- sion for too defraying "the expense which has been incurred', and whidh from time to time may be incurred under the said agreements, and to'enable the said Council to 'borrow for tho purposes of the said agreements and for the purpose of paying' the costs and expenses of the Bill on such security with such consent and subject to such provisions and restrictions with respect to the borrowing and repayment of loans as are contained in the schedule to the Electric Lighting Act, 1832. And that the Town Clerk do take all necessary and proper steps and proceedings in regard to the promo- tion of Vibe- Blill. Councillor Tlhonias said that the Council 'had already decided—first of all in a committee of the whole Council, anl af :-erv.-nrd's it was confirmed at a special Council meeting—that they proceed by promoting a private bill in the next: session of Parliament. As the result of the .Sudbury Judgment in the High Court the Board of Trade and the Local Government Board had said that they oould not see their way clear to sanction additional, loans for the extension of the mains in connec- tion wfth the electric light undertaking in <

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ILLNESS AND DESPAIR 't PITIFUL CASE AT BANGOR. At Biangor Police Court on Tuesday, before Thomas Lewis, Esq., and other justices, Rich; aid Griffith, Portdinorwic, an elderly man, was charged with attempting to commit suicide. A letter written by Griffith was read', in which he referred in affectionate terms to his wife and child, and said that for over 30 years he had suffered martyrdom, and that if he could ftnd any means of supporting his family he would not have taken such, a step. It was stated that Griffith took a quantity of laudanum. Dr Price said he had suffered much from pains in the stomach. Addressing the Bench, the defendant said the reason he had done what he was charged with was that he had suffered so much. He had spent hundreds of pounds on specialists all over the country, and none of them could even say what was the cause of his pain, let alone cure it. He had a wife and child to support and no means to support them, and in this so-called Christian world, where he was willing to work, but could set, no work to do, a person had better be out than troulble his iwitfe i and child too. He had been in the American Civil War. In Jiopes of forgetting his pain he had joined an expedition, to Klondyke, and lost a lot of money over the venture, and he saw many men laid low there by the will of Pro- i vidence. but he lived on. The Bendh asked the defendant's brother if he could take care of him if they dismissed the case, but, bursting into tears, the old man confessed that he could not. j The defendant said that all he had to support his wife and child was a small pension from America for beinp in the war. The Ohairmlan said the Bench were willing to i let the defendant off on his own recognisances if anybody would take cate of him The Defendant: I don't want anybodv to take care of me. If I could get work I would tak" care of myself The Chairman: The Bench are of a different opinion. Tf you can get anyone to take care of you the Henah will let. you off; if not. they have 110 alternative but to send your case for I trial. • The Defendant: I am quite willing.

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Carnarvon. Considerable correspondence had taken place between tihe Corporation amd the two Departments, and the officials of the two Departments were seen in London. The re- suit, however, was that they recommended that they Council should either have new agreements drawn out. with the- Construction Company or that a private bill should be pro- moled in Parliament in order to legalise tha agreements that were already in force. They had lwped, and he must say that they still had some ihope, that it would have been possi- ble to get the matter through without a private bill. But the time was getting so short that they had been advised that tha,best plan was to prepare for advertising and carrying out the preliminary arrangements before promoting a private bill. They had the assurance of the President of the Board of Trade that if it was possible in any way to arrange to the matter throuyh without a. hill it would be done. Now the Council were in this position-they would have to advertise twice, and the an- nouncement must appear twice before the 29th November. That was the position as far as it went. The Town Clerk thought the Council ought to pass a formal resolution, and that was the reason why it was submitted in the form it hiad been. Alderman R. Norman Davies seconded the proposal. Councillor Carter I was going to say this— that I thought that: the matter would ba dis- cussed the same time as the minutes, from which we gather that attempts are made to obviate the -expense of proceeding to get a private act, and before I ehall vote one way or the other I should like to have more in- formation. I do not know whether the mem- bers of the Council have seen the agreements made between the company and the Corpora- tion. I understand also that a statement of the position of affairs has been laid before the Presidents of the Board of Trade tlid the Local Government Board, together with coun- sel's opinion. Personally, J. should like to have an opportunity of inspecting these docu- ments, and have more information as to the expense to be incurred. I suggest that this question be considered at ia special meeting of the Council to be held next Tuesday. The Town Clerk explained that the state- ment supplied to the Board of Trade and the Local Government Retard was only a short statement showing what the Council really wanted. ■OOltnCillorTGaa twr I -f o* sent to vote either way until I am in posses- sion of more information, and I move that the consideration of the matter b0 deferred till next Tuesday. Councillor) seconded. Councillor J. T. Roberts: I should like to know what information Mr Carter wants. Councillor Nee remarked that the step which. it wa.s suggested the Council should take was no doubt based upon the Sudbury case, and he would like to know how the agreements with the Carnarvon Corporation compared with the agreement placed before the court in that case. Before voting he would also like to know what was the statement as to their position that had been placed before the President of the Board of Trade. There was a great deal to be,glaine-d by having a special meeting to know what they were voting upon. A private Act was an expensive luxury, and if they could obviate it they ought to. Councillor J. T. Roberts said that one would gather from the wordis that had just fallen from Mr iNee. tha/t it was intende3 to promote a private bill whether it! was necessary or not. Mr W. G. Thomas made the position quito clear when he stated that it was not intended; to promote- a bill unless it. was absolutely ne- cessary but it would be too late to take the necessary preliminary steps to promote a bill unless they did so at once. Moreover, no harm would -be done by taking those. steps, which consisted of inserting advertisements in the newspapers, and if they did adjourn the Council till! next Tuesday, as suggested, he did not think the Council as a. whole would he in a, better position to decide whether the adver- tisements should be inserted or not. The thing was ftar too uncertain for any member to say that it was not necessary that one small and inexpensive step should be taken. ALDERMAN PARRY'S EXPLANATION. Alderman .R. iParry said that be quite sym- pathised with the new members in their diffi- dence to vote, but he could not understand why old members should be disposed to adjourn the matter. Of course, it, was a misfortune to the Council that the new members were not there before it was not their fault. The matter was a. very simple one in one sense. The Council entered into an agreement with the Construction Company and were told by legal odvisers that it was thoroughly correct, but it was found out afterwards that there was some dispute as to its legality. Whether that was so. or whether the agreement was on all fours with the Slud- bury agreement, it came to this—that the Local Government Board would not sanction any further loans for the Council. The Coun- cil had applied to the Board of Trade, and they said that so far they could not see that the agreement made between the Council and the "Construction Company was quite legal; but still there was a loophole. He quite agreed with what the chairman of the committee had said, and hoped that the IBba:rd of Trade would say that it waisl not necessary for the Council, to promote a bill or to do anything more than had been done, but that sanction would be given to get further/loajis for the purpose of their elec- tric supply. However, if the Local Govern- ment iBoard would, not, under existing condi- tions, sanction any further loans there were only two ways by which the Council (f,uld pro- ceed, either by a. provisional order or an act. With a provisional order they would have to reopen the whole question of the agreements be- tween them and the Company, and those agree- ments, everybody would agree, were very favourable to the Council, who took no respon- sibility whatever whether the electric lighting scheme was a success or not. But if they opened the question of the agreements again it

was very doubtful whether they could have other agreements that would be so favourable to the ratepayers. The other alternative was, to have an Act to legalise the present agree- ments, and the Construction Company ap- peared to be most anxious to do' everything possible to facilitate matters. They did not want to shirk their responsibility in respect to the agreements. The Council and the Com- pany were working most amicably in the matter. After giving the two alternatives their consideration, a committee of the whole Council came to the conclusion that the best and cheapest thing was to go in for a private Act. Of course, the Act would be a very simple one. Nothing would be inserted in it except the fact that they wanted to legalise the agreements made between the Oompany and the Corporation. Supposing the Board of Trade did! not 6ee their way to legalise the agreements; as they now stood, what the Coun- cil now proposed to do was a very simple one, merely to insert an advertisement in two or three papers, which would not cost much. If, for the soke as it were of a half-pennyworth of tar, they refused to insert the advertisements, the opportunity of legalising the agreements would be gone. The Electricity Committee would be most willing to give Mr Carter every information, and he {Dr Parry) hoped that he would see his way to withdraw his motion. COST OF A PRIVATE BILL, Councillor iR. Ranleigh Jones: What will be the approximate cost of the Act? The Town Clerk: About J3450. Councillor R. IR. Jones: And that will come directly on the rates? The Town Clerk: We shall get a loan. It will not come out of one year's rate. Councillor OR/. R. Jones: In which case the ratepayers collectively will have to pay for the luxury of electric light consumers, Councillor J. T. h-oherts That is quite true, but there ia another side of the story which is equally true. If we don't do now what ia proposed, or if the difficulty cannot be got over in any other way, the Corporation—and the poor ratepayers who do not enjoy this luxury—will have to take over the whole under- taking and run the risk of a loss. Which is the lesser of two evils? Have the. agreements legalised and the undertaking carried on by the Company until it was a paying concern, or for the ratepayers_to take it over? If you don't do one you will have to face, the other. I Company until it was a paying concern, or for the ratepayers, to take it over? If you don't do one you will have to face, the other. I suggest that only the preliminary arrangements with regard to advertising be now carried out. Councillor W. G. Thomas I am quite will- ing to accept that. I have hopes that, a private bill will not be necessarv. [BLAMING LOCAL GOVERNMENT IBOARD. Councillor J. Prichard From the discussion that has taken place the outside public may be under a wrong "impression as to the true state under a wrong "impression as to the true state of affairs. No doubt you will Temtmber that when this electric light question was brought | forward our first negotiations were with this .Company. There was a considerable opposi- tion raised to the proposediagreements with the Comnany, but it was twin ted out at the inquiry by the opposition, v. no made cut as strong a case as they could, that they did not think the proposed agreements could be entered into; but in suite of the opposition, and the fact that I the worst light possible was thrown upon the proposed agreements, the Local Govern- ment IBbardJ sanctioned them. Therefore, it is not the Council who are at fault, but really the not the Council who are at fault, but really the iLocal Government Board—(hear, hear)—and that Board having got us into this position ought to help us out of it (hear, hear). Nothing that the Local Government !Board may do can affect our agreements or our borrowing powers to a certain extant. What we want is slightly to exceed that point. We have got to the end of our borrowing powers, and we want addi- tional borrowing powers. I do not think there is anything in it myself, but the rate- payers might be under a wrong impression, aa the result of the remarks made. Councillor W. G. Thomas observed that the Council must, do all they could to meet the Board of Trade. were advising the Council, and the Council must act on their advice. The Board of Trade had; gone to a great deal of trouble, and. were trying to meet the Council, a.nd if they could relieve the Council they would do so. Mr Thomas de- i scribed the agreements with the Company as the best of the kind in existence, and there were many towns which would be only too glad to acquire equally satisfactory agreements. Their agreements were not on all tours with the Sudbury agreements, and that was where they at Carnarvon hoped, to succeed, Councillor Carter said that he could not understand why the Board of Trade did not say distinctly whether the 'Council required a private bill or not. The Mayor: We had ibeen hammering at them foT months, but they were all on their holidays. Councillor Carter said that the Board of Trade had the whole month of October in which to reply, and the Council did not, know now ttfcOY not. He did not wish to brmg the Council together a. seconCl time, and in deference to the wishes of his seconder, he withdrew his motion, but he waa not even then prepared to vote either way. Alderman Parry explained that a reply was received some time ago from the solicitor to the 'Board of Trade stating that the agreements were not legal, but the Council did not accept it, and now they were compelled to go in for an Act. The fact was that the Electricity Committee regarded the answer a6 a lawyer s answer—(laughter)—.and that was. why they did not accept it. ALLEGED CARELESSNESS. Councillor T. H. Edwards said that every member of the Council ought to know some- thing more of the doings of the 'Electricity and! other committees, and Tie asked whether it waa not possible to supply every member with copies of the agreements. He thought it would not be a difficult matter to reprint, them. There was a strong feeling outside the Council that the Electricity Committee had not done its work as it ought to have done, and that the necessity for the bill was the result of carelessness on the part of those responsible for the scheme. If such was not the case the public should know it, and if the blame was attached to the Local Government IBtoard the ratepayers ought to know that it was so. The Mayor said that any member of the Council oould see the minutes of the different committees at any tim«. Councillor W. G. Thomas: Copies of these agreements were submitted1 at the time. They can be seen now at any time. Councillor J. T. Roberts: Every member of the Council has a right to attend a meeting of any committee, although he may not he a member. If Mr Edwards had copies of the agreements he would not be a bit better off. The whole question turns!upon the provisional?; order, which does not contain a transfer clause Eventually, it was .agreed that the preliminary steps with regard to advertising should be taken.