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UNIVERSITY COLLEGE OF WALES. I PUBLIC MEETING. ADDRESS BY THE PRESIDENT. On Wednesday afternoon a largely nt-tended meeting was held in the College L uinry, under the pres dency of the Right II n. Lord Aber- dare. Amongrst those present were Air David Davies, M.P Llandinam Mr Stephen Evans, Old Change Buildings, London; Mi'.T. F. Roberts, Manchester; Mr Hugh Owen, honorary treasurer Mr T. J. Thomas, London rind the Rev T. <T. Edwards, Principal of the College. The following report was presented :— EXTRACT FROllI REPORT OF PRINCIPAL. 1.-1. Number of students at the beginning of last session 59 2. Number of students at the end of last session 63 3. Number of students at present 50 II.—1. Number of students having rooms in. c College, Mich. Term, 1878 33 2. Number of students having rooms in College, Easter Term, 137:) • •• 31 3. Numher of students having rooms in College, Mieh. Term, 137;) 18 111.-1. Average age of student. Mich. Term, 1877 19 2. Average age of stuuenrs, Mich. Term, 1878 ° 21 3. Average age of students, Mich. Term, 187.9 23 4. Particulars of age of students One at 15 five as If); eleven at 17; three at 18; four at 19; six at 20; one at 21: two at 22: three at 23: three at 21; five at 25 three at 2H; six at 27; one at 28; two at 20. Twenty are between 15 and 18 inclusive Sixteen ly ana 23 Twenty oj, and 20 The following1 students have pissed University cxacrmtions since the last annual statement was read 1. University of London I Firsr B.A. Examination John F.vans, Llandyssul, and S. T. Evans, Neath; both in the First Division. Matriculation Examination: S. C. Jones, New- castle Emlyn, and J. E. Loyd, Liverpool; both in the Hruonrt- Div:-i"r, Lnd bo L obtaining tho number of marks qualifying for a prize. Evan Evans, Aber- ayron, H. E. Jones, Denbigh, and J. Kemp, Talybont, near Aberystwyth, passed the matricula- tion examination in the First Division. Mr Kemp is the head master of the Board School at Talybont, and attended during last session thE classes formed for schoolmasters at the College. 2. University Cullege Hospital, London: Mr S. C. Jones, Llandyssul, has recently gained a ssholarship at this Hospital, of the value of X40 per annum. 3. University of Cambridge Thomas Roberts, Tenhy, gained a scholarship at St. John's College, Cambridge, of the yearly value of J850, tenable for two years. Evan Evans. Ystalyfera. obtained an exhibition oi. the value of £20 at Sydney Sussex College, Cambridge. Mr D. Samuel, who was at our college for three sessions, and gained a minor set;, larship at Clare College, Cambridge, has obtained the 20th place in the list of wranglers. 4. University of Oxford Mr T. F. Roberts, Aberdovey, obtained a Vaughan's Exhibition of the value of J;i!j. tenable at any College in the University of Oxford. Mr Robeits has also just gained an open rcholarhip at St. John's College, Oxford, of the yearly value of = £ 100, tenable for five years. Mr H. H. Vk ilhams, Betliesda, near Bangor, gained an exhibition of X40 yearly, tenable for five years, at Jesus College. Oxford. Mr Alfred Evans, Rhenuua Valley, nas just gained an open scholarship of the yearly value of £ 80, tenable for four year*, at Exeter College, Oxford. I may add that there are ten ot' our former students, now at the University of Oxford. Mr Wright of Bodfari's Scholarship of £ 25, tenable at this College, but restricted to students from the Calvinistic Methodist Colleyo. ,1:'1, is now held bv Mr T. J. Jones, Llangefni, and Mr Richard Hughes, Holyhe id. The exnmi-nation for Scholarships, which the council resolved to hold at th, beginning of this session, I was requested by the noble lord, the president of the council, to postpone till the council met. It has accordingly been postponed in deference to his lordship's wishes. We have lost the able services of Profcssrrs Grimley, Rudler, Craig, and Keeping. Ihe three new professors who were appointed to the vacant chairs. Mr Genese to be professor of mathematics and natural philosophy, Dr Hnmpidge, professor of TiatUTal science, ana Mr MacCullum, professor of English, i.i.-tory, and politic?.! economy, entered upon their duties at the Le^inni: g of the present session. The Right Hon. Lord Aberd.:re. President of the College, ,h0 was received with loud applause, said In the retrospect of so long a period as twelve months there is generally cause for congratulation, and in B-any instances for a contrary feeling as well- Those who are connected with this College have to look back upon successes, and they have also the remembrance of some troubles. The year just past was not exempt from the common lot. We have had' Bnccesses, and I think in rather an unusual degree, and we have also had troubles which, however, I will not exaggerate while I do not understate them. The successes which wo have met with were consider- able-it has exceded my own expectations. During tl e last year two of our students have matriculated at the London University, and three have passed in the first division, one of them being- Mr J. Kemp, as pn exhibitioner of £ 10, tenable at any college in tLe University of Oxford. Another exhibition of £ 40has been gained ut Jesus College, nnd this may t e looked forward to as of advantage to the v. inner. We have in the list no less than seven who have taken degrees at London. At the same time. I am informed, that ten of our students have removed—haif of them to Oxford and half to Cambridge. I am anxious to insist upon this fact. because it has been staled against the College, that one of the results of its establishment would be that it would prevent young men going to the older Universities. My argument has always been that the- College will increase the number, and I may confidently say that those re erred to in the report would not have fceen what they now rue but for the fgG ai?ec! at this College (applause). Theie is another thing which the reading of the Principal s report has suggested to me. We have heard a great deal about "Wales for the Welsh There is a pleasant nnar about that, but at die same time we must remember that it would have been somewhat unsatisfactory if England had raised the cry of England for the English/' What we want is free and open competition, fine! 1 venture to say that Jesus College would not have been in its present -position if it hud followed the example of Oriel College, and thrown its scholarships open, go far, from such a course causing a lc.-s to Wiles in the matter of endowments, it won:ù in my opinion be a pain. Hitherto no Welshman went to Jesus College if he could possibly gain a scholarship elsewhere. It is a very serious thiDg that a College founded and set apart for t he benefit of Wales should be un-appre- ciated and the least distinguished of the Oxford Colleges. We have an interest to see that the endow- ments are set aside for the benefit of our working men without reference to any particular College. We want H:e competition throwfc open, aLd the list I have just read shows that in the race of emulation the Welsh will not be left behind (applause). One item vhich has occurred to myself and to all the members of the council, as calling for special notice, is that the number of' boarders in the College, which at Easter last was 31, hall fallen to 18 at Michaelmas. It is primarily for the education of young men that the College was estab, lished. We are delighted to see those more advanced in life, who come here with a determination of repair- ing the deficiencies of their youth. 'But the principal object of the institution is to take up the education of youth. Therefore this falling off must be received a-s an important and serious fact. To what is this ? If yf,n as^ my holiest belief I must say I Tnm>° i t' attribute it to the deplorable events in as have no wish to exaggerate these events as I sai(] bef Thoy ^osc f .?0 d«»bt, ^d must be taken a vaTamonnt of lp<re nnd WHO sir" wholly devotee' to ir< i ntoi-OOT tloroighly with under all these circumstances the councii would' have insisted upon anything "treasonable or not intended for the good of the students of thi" iustitution. (Applause). I think there can be but one answer to that question.—they would not Bet there was such a spirit ot insubordination shewn which gave a shock to the credit of tho institution, ai-:d from which we are no'„. Buffering. Old institutions can stand shocks, 1 £ re&ter perhaps than from wbicii we are now j u ffenng, without injury, but as Lord Chatham has )bserved, "confidence is of slow growth in old minds." So confidence is of slow growth in the public mind ■vith regard to institutions for the education of its j'onth. We at this college cannot escape the com- non lot, but I entreat you to mako these tnal" as few 11)(1 far between as possible (applause). I will now I refer to the differences of opinion which have existed between the council and the senate. Much has been I made of these differences. It is difficult to imagine that differences should not exist in an institution of bhis character—it is absolutely necessary that the Government should devolve upon a body like the r;onncil, but the senate has its offices, and its wishes and opinions must often be consulted. But it seems to me that the ultimate body to decide matters should be the council. I run most desirous that the senate be taken ill "0 confidence, and its wishes taken into consideration. The ultimate result, I contend, must, aowevei, be left with the council I will take the questions on which the differences existed. The first ot these is as to the vacation. The council were of opinion that the length was unduly great, and came to the decision that the parents of the students would be grateful for its shortening as well as for the educa- tional interests of the young men being more advanced The council oommunicated with the senate, who, however, did not take the same view of the matter, and urged tba-the vacation was intended not only for recreation and enjoyment, but that the professors should be enabled to keep up with the advancing knowledge of the age, and might also have an oppor- tunity for study. This is a matter of importance, and it had such weight with the governing body as to in. rlu-e them to extend the vacation a fortnight beyond what they had intended, while at the same time they adhered to the proposal for shortening it. Such a question was clearly one for the council to decide. Then there was the "examinations" question. The council has expended large sums of money on the College, and they though it right to test the work of the students, and through them the work of the pro- fessors. This could only be done by outside examina- tions, and therefore the question is one for the council and not for the senate to decide. Iu the system of examination, about to be adopted at the end of the present session, I hope to have the advice of the senate, and I promise them that their opinions will be most carefully considered. Then comes the matter oi scholarships. In the short time (seven years) this institution has existed, the council has (x. pended £ 3,830 in scholarships, of which £ 2,080 has been contributed out of the college funds. All this Lime the college has been over-spending itself. Every young gentleman who came to this institution and paid us £ 10, received a boon of £ 43 from the council. Although a great many reductions prescribed by economy have been adopted. we expect to find ourselves at the end of the current year with a deficit of £ L,400. In the present state of trade in the country. I spe no hope of meeting this liability, except by adopting a course which allot' us will deeply regret, I mean drawing upon the perma- nent funds of the College. The question of scholar- ships, therefore, has to be decided by those who are responsible for the financial position of the College. The regret is that we have not more students. If we had double the present number we could teach them with but very little extra expense, and our income would be considerably increased. The council cannot undertake to give scholarships upon the same scale as it has hitherto done, and in this matter they must have the final decision. I think it better to state this clearly, in order to pveveut misunderstanding and disappointment. By the liberality of various aonors, the College has six open scholarships, and four close o es. I will particularise a little Our excellent friend Mr David Davies, whom we are all pleased to see present to-day--(h°ar hrar)--besides his other munificent gifts to the college, gives Y,80 per year for the purpose of scholarships (applause). This sum has hitherto been divided into two scholarships, it being in accordance with Mr Davies's mind that he would assist two young men, fir-1 of all paying £ 10 per year, the fee for education at the institution, and the remaininir £ 30 would, with economy, be sufficent to maintain them at College (applause). There is also one scholarship of X20 per year, given by the So th Wales commercial travellers. The visitors whocome annually to Aberystwyth are kind enough to leave, in a box placed for the purpose, some mark of their appreciation of the institution, which has enabled tiie Council to give two scholarships of X20 each —(applause)—aud I am ^ppy- to be enabled to acknowledge that the tojjfi of Aberystwyth, as the result of a recent eltovjfF has been able to procure the College, for theinext three years at least, a scliolarship of £ 20 jsfr year (applause). These are open scliolarfehips^won by a competition I must add that tha Co^flcge is also deriving considerable advantage frcuai^i small number of close scholarships —. £ 20 per yearirora Festiuiog, for a scholarship ten- able by a student residing in that district and < £ 25 per year, which has been given to the institution by the liberality of Mr Robert Wright, of Bodffare, restricted to students from the Calvinistic College at Bala. Two of these scholarships are at the present time held by students, who, I believe, had the dis- tinction of being-the two best students of the year at Bala College (applause). Ardwyn House School contributes another scholarship of X20 per year. These altogether make a total of ten scholarships, given independently of the College funds. In addition to these the commercial travellers of North Wales, doubtless stimulated by the good example of the South Wales commercial travellers, have sub- scribed £ 700 towards a scholarship, and I believe they are only waiting to take effect, in the shape of tour ding two scholarships, until such time as thfY have rmsd a total sum of £ 1,000. Well, £ 600 has been collected by the friends of the late Rev Robert Ellis, better known as Cynddelw, for the purpose of founding a scholarship for Welsh (ap- plause). At the close of the last year the council were in communication with the senate with respect to some alterations in the manner of distributing their own scholarships. These negotiations, I am sorry to say, were not closed. At the end of last year the council lost three valuable members, who had to be replaced, so it was impossible at that time to re-consider these matters. Under these circum- -tan' cs the College scholarships could not be given this term, but haa to be postponed until next January, when they will be competed for, and I hope will be won by deserving young men, whom they will encourage in the prosecution of their studies (applause). 1 have spoken of the scholarships as an important stimulus to a young institution like ours. There is,however, one other stumulus I hope to see, of greater importance to education in Wales, and which will be of lasting and wide-spread importance to this institu- tion. It is the improvement of intermediate educa- tion in Wales (applause). It was, I happy to say, at the suggestion of the council of this College that this question was brought before the House of Com- mons (hear, hear). Mr Hns,i'Y Vivian, the member for Glanmorganshire—(applause)—and all the other members connected with Wales, were asked to meet the council of the College, and to discuss the best method of proceeding with it. They did so, and hei,l a subsequent meeting, at which Mr Gladstone Was good enough to attend, and give us the benefit of his assistance (applause). I need not tell you what happened, as most of you have read the interesting and able debate in the House of Commons; you all know chat Mr Hussev Vivian brought forward the motion in a speech of great power—a speech which excited the general sympathy of the House of Com- mons and the people of Wales and he was backed up by members on both sides of the House, without regard to political party (applause). He also had the advantage of a most eloquent and powerful speecn from Mr Gladstone (al,plati,e). The im- mediate results were not, I am bennd to say, disappointing, because we expected nothing, but they were certainly not very promising. The statements of the ministers were not such as to justify any hopes of substantial support being- given to this institution or to intermediate education in Wales. But since then the ministers have thought the matter over again and justly estimating the interest to it m Wales ou the subject., have given something like a promise, not very direct, perhaps, that Her Majesty's Government would further consider the subject (applause). In the meantime those who read the newspapers of the country will see that a fresh interest has been excited on the subject of inter- mediate education in Wales. Not only have the pro- ceedings at this College tended to bring about this excitement, but discussions have been going on as to the best mode of distributing the endowments of Jesus College, Oxford, and various other endow- ments, which are at the present time the subject of the consideration of the Endowed Schools Com- missioners. All these matters have created an amount of attention to education in Wales, which, I cannot help but think, will be productive of good results in a short time (applause). I hope you will allow me especially to dri1.w attention to the admir- able speech made made at the Church Congress, last week, by Dr Harper, principal of Jesus College, because those who have read his speech will see that he has laid down there the practical means of turn- ing their present endowments to use, and to widen- ing the scope of the elementary schools, in order to put them very much in the same position with reftience to the intermediate and college education which is occupied by the elementary schools of Scotland. Dr Harper's speech was full of suggest- ions, dictated not only by a very wide experience, but by a hearty desire to promote education in Wales. I say that the more readily, because whether you igree or not with Dr Harper, I am one of those who witnessed the attempt of Dr Harper to raise the character of endowed schools in Wales (applause). rhe success has been most marked ia the case of the | Cowbridge school, which, from being a very insignifi- cant oue, became at once, under the guidance ot Dr Harper, and the impulse given to it, one of consider- able importance in Wales (appl.). He has also raised another school from a state of the lowest degradition to a position amongst the best schools in Wales, with ;1) scholars, and having from repeated conversations found how earnest his desire is to promote education in Wales, I was anxious thht nothing falling from such a man should be received with disrespect, but should be listened to with that respect it so well deserves. )-on may be sure of this, that whether Dr Harper's schemes are in accordance with what all of us desire, they arc the schemes of a most able man. anxious to promote education in Wales, and lean say from repeated communications with him, that many of the suggestions he has made to the commisioners, as to the best means of utilising the endowments of Jesus College, seetn to mo likely to procure most important results with regard to education. Nor can I omit to mention tile scheme which our friend Mr Owen, always a firm supporter of Welsh education, everything in fact which concern the good of Wales, is meditating. He is at present engaged in a matter respecting the two Colleges in North Wales, and that is the foundation of scholarships te enable children to come from elementary schools to inter- mediate schools, and from intermediate schools to the colleges, or the older universities. I see no reason why this scheme should not be successful, but of course it could only apply to a comparatively small number of the population hut we must remember that it is, indeed, only a comparitively small number of the population that call ever hope to go to the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge It was desirable that every class should have oppor- tunities of developing themselves, and by means of tunities of developing themselves, and by means of these schemes I hope to see an immense amount «>f latent talent, which has hitherto been lost to this country, utilised and brought forward to the good of the possessor of it, as w«il as for the good of the country. With respect to ourselves, I am anxious, although we have had A seven years' existence, and I think have conduct ed ourselves very amicably and very peaceably, yet we have had an immense amount of prejudice to surmount. I was present at the discus- sion at the Church Congress, in Swansea, the other day, and though nothing was said directly about Aberyswyth, I am bound to say there was an under- current of dislike to the institution at Aberystwyth, which affected me very sensibly, and which was owing a great deal to a misunderstanding. In the first place, several of the speakers charged us with excessive ambition, and charged ns with wishing to make it a university for the granting of degrees, and one clergyman, residing in the neighbourhood, actually said we had gone to Loudon in order to ask Her Majesty's Government to give this University a charter to grant degrees. We never made such an applicat'on to Her Majesty's government. Our ambition does not soar so high. I think indeed if the the proposal made by the Bishop of St. Asaph, to con- nect three or four institutions of a cognate charac- ter in Wales, such as Lampeter, Christ College, Brecon, and this institution, and to have an Uni- versity in Wales embodying these institution, I think such a proposition is premature, and I said so but as for any special ambition of ours to apply for a charter t,) grant degrees, I may say it exists only in the minds of those who seemed to misunderstand our proceedings. The sajue gentleman s-iid he would always be opposed to any institution that did not give a distinct religious education, and where there was not taught the New Testament and other books, on which our religion is founded. I need not say in fin unseotarian institution such as this, that is impossi- ble. It might be a fortunate or a misfortunate result of our divisions, that this College is altogether a secular one. I think yen will all agree with me, how- ever ardent you may be with regard to the cause of religion, that the project of framing for Wales a scheme which would he in any sense a national institution and a denominational one, could never exist,. I have already dealt with another point, and that is the sup- posed antagonism which was very much insisted upon between this coilege and the oldet. universities. It was said that we st.od in the way of the young men of Wales seeking their education at Oxford and Cam- bridge. I will not repeat the arguments made use of, ex-'t'pf. to show the persistent obstinacy with which certain idea, clung to men's minds. T remember once hearing it stated in the House of Commons, as an illustration of the inveteracy ,.f those prejudices, that there wore two beliefs, which though proved to be wholly unfounded, would never be out of men's minds. One was the belief that the offence of garrotting was put an end to by an act which made the offence punishable by flogging, although I happen to know that the offence had entirely disappeared s.x months before the bill was brought into the House of Commons; and the other was that MrLowe's unfortunate proposition to put a tax on matches was dropped on account of the famous procession of match makers to the House of Parliament. I happened to know iu that case that the cabinet had decided upon dropping the scheme four days before the slightest rumour of the procession of that ancient trade was bruited about. But when I read, as I did the other day, and will go on reading' while my life is spared, that garrotting was put, an end to by the introduction of the hilt to which I have referred, and that the pro- cession of that ancient trade compelled the govern- ment to drop that obuoxious tax, I thought in the same way is the argument repeated, and the same prejudicial beliefs fostered, that we are standing in he way ot education at the older universities. I think I began by giving tho meeting the fullest illustration that we are actually sending to Oxford and Cambridge students that would never have gone there but for oar assistance. I should be most anxious to promote, at this moment, the objects of young men who are desirous to go to the universities. I think one of the wisest things done for a long the interests of the Church uf England,is that which has been quietly and unobtrusively done in the diocese of Bangor, by the Bishop, with reference to sup- plying clergymen for his own diocese. He is endeavouring to meet the want of able men, pro- I perly educated, by framing a. scheme and giving j support 10 it in his diocese, by which young men are enabled to enjoy the advantages of College education. They are prepared for the Universities, sent there, aud kept there for the purpose of enter. ing the church. At this moment there are 22 young men being trained in the diocese of Bangor 15 are either at Oxford or Cambridge, and the other seven will soon be there. This is what I call doing a goo 1 deal in a quiet, unobtrusive way, for p.omot.n; the education of young and deserving men. We may bu quite sure, do what we may, that we cannot find too many means ot education. I hope the Welsh will not be long behind the Scotch and the Irish in the race of education, to say nothing of the English. Among the pleasant incidents that have happened during the past year. I must ennnmerate a proof of sympathy givenus by an excellent neighbour, the Duke of Westminster, who has sent us a subscription of j850, and has announced his intention of con- tinuing that subscription annually (applause). And t-mong ot»or things I must also mention the accession to the Council of Mr Hnssey Vivian, who not having acquainted himself intimately with the proceedings of this College, endeavoured, in order fully to prepare himself therefor, by paying1 a visit to the institution. He was received by the Principal and was thrown over it" and the result was an increased interest in the institution. He expressed a desire to act with us on the Council, adding at the same time a donation of .£.,0. In our present state the donation is only less valuable than the addition to our consultative power. Then there is the accession of three new professors. I will not say much on this point, because if I do I should appear to do what I awi anxious not to do, that is to cast a slur on the gentlemen who have just left us and whilst f lament, their loss I congratulate you most heartily "n the accession of three gentlemen, who, unless their testimonials are beyond the ordinary satirical description of testimonials, are ^unusually gifted; but we took pains to go beyond testimonials, and the gentlemen who are now working amongst you we have selected in a competition with men, many of whom we should have been glad to have welcomed here, (applause). It shows that among those we rir • obliged to reji ct ware men who would have madethoir mark, and I hope will do so in some institution similar to to this. Now, gentle- men, I have said my say, I have commented, accord- ing to my own convictions, on the events of the past year, and I believe >jl have fairly interpreted the motives of these who for a moment disturbed the serenity of this institution, and I hope, only for a time, the confidence in the wisdom of those who con- duct it. I hope I shall receive from you an assurance that no such event shall happen again; I hope you have confidence in the principal; I hope you believe our one single hearty desire is to raise the education of this country, to distribute it to as many as possible, t°« bring forward young deserving men; to watch their career with interest; and to give a helping hand wheu ever we can; and if you honestly believe this, I am sure you will have done once and for all with such demonstrations as occurred to our grievous disappointment and sorrow at the termination of last year (loud applause, during which his lordship gat down). Air David Davies, M.P., who was received with loud and continued applause, said: My Lord, ladies and gentlemen, f have but a very few words to say on this occasion, I have no doubt yon expect me to say a few words, but the noble lord has said every- thing that can be said. It would be useless to say it over again. I may say, however, that there has been a little unpleasantness between the council and the senate. Speaking for myself, I have not taken much interest in the council, for two or three reasons. First, I was anxious that the institution should not t r have the appearance of being denominational, and as I the Principal is a Calvinistic Methodist, and I, the largest subscriber, am also a Calvinistic Methodist, I did not wish, as I have before remarked, to let Wrales think the College was denominational, and I kept aloof; and another thing, there are many gentlemen connected with the institution who have been brought up in such places, and consequently know more about their management than I do. I felt the most I could do was to give assistance with money. I knew there was plenty wisdom on the council without me, at the same I could not help feeling what we are all aware of, that neither the council nor the senate profess to be infallible. Yon must bear in mind also, that although much has been done, in the way of getting money to carry on this institution, thcirfinances were not in a verr flourishing condition. They could, he wished, excuse any little diffeience which there might have been. The Senate did not understand the Council being short of money. If this had been a richly en- dowed College he could understand people about Aberystwyth, and the Senate in particular, being thin-skinned about it. But, if they were in his place, as a. member of the Council, he felt sure that they would have sympatised more with them when they were in great difficulties about money. As he said before, the Council do not profess to be in- fallible, and he did not profess to know much about the College. He was careful, thetefore, not to in- terefere with its internal administration. He did not wish to put his opinion forward as to what was right or wrong. Lord Aberdare had been brought up in institutions of that sort, and understood its internal affairs. They would allow Lord Aberdare, therefore, to go very much further than him with reference to this matter, but he took it there would be no more irritatIon-no more of that bad feeling which, according to the papeis had occurred. He never had any bad feeling, and lie was as good-tempered then as he ever was in his life. (Laughter.) He could easily understand the Council trying to cut down the working expenses, which were too heavy. That process of cutting down of expenditure was the order of the day. They all knew that, for some reason or other, the wealthy classes of this country had not supported the institution to the extent they might have done. The rich, as a class, had not supported the institu- tion. When it was considered that, under these circumstances, they had raised over £GO,OOO, he thought they had done wonders. When the Govern- ment comprehended that they had done so much they would see that they deserved something from the Government before many years. He did not say they should get it this year or the year after, but if they stuck to the matter and were true to their colours, they would be successful. The Irish had taught them a very good lesson in the House of Commons. They found that by worrying the Govern- ment thi-y got what they wanted. The year before last they got nearly £1,000,000 for the purposes of intermediate edweat'ons, and last session they obtained another grant for, he believed, higher education. They (the Welsh members) intended to worry the Government in the same way, but in the meantime they must do their duty. He would like to see the countiy do a little more than had been done in the way of scholarships, for they all knew very well that the clai-s who.D)ostly came there were the lower middle eJass, wh he was sorry to say, were not well off just now/he meant particularly the r Ih d faimers. Considering fh/depression of the count) y, hr- thought it very satisfactory that they should have 50 students. At the same time he believed that if iv 11 lvc the country could give a, few more scholarships— I. say a couple of dozen f scholarships, the aggregate amount of whièh would be ten times as h much as his owtf-ntore young men would be drawn to that College. The working olasses had contributed largely. Unless a poor working man, with three or four children, had some assistance, he could not, afford to pay < £ 40 a year for the education of a son because that w is really all 1 c e irued. If there were more scholarships they would have a larger number of that class who were now being educated at board sehools. They had scarcely any board school boys there yet. Great attention was paid to the education ef boys, and when parents found that their sons could compete for the scholar- ships they would no doubt send them to thia College. A young lad who had nothing to depend upon but his own exertions was more likely to be industrous than the son of rich parents who was apt to say, I will take it easy; if I do not pass cr get a scholar- ship, my parents can carry me through." On the other hand, if, after being here for a time, he gets a scholarship, he can go on for three or four years, and become a great man. They ought to go thne at the age of 15, and finish so as to go to a business at 19. If he is going to be a barrister, a sohcitor, a doctor, a snrgeoD, an engineer, or was designed fer occupation, he onght to commence at the age of 19. If they go on till they are four or five and twenty without an eye to some trade or business they are not likely to succeed. His object in connection with it had been to help the youth of Wales to get those offices which were croing almost entirely to the Scotch, simply brcause the Scotch received better I education than they in Wales. He trusted Wales I would appreciate the itstitution. and that every effort would he made to send the youth of the country there. (Applause.) Mr T. F. Roberts, of Manchester, in proposing a vote ot thanks to the noble chairman, said he had never seen the institution in a more prosperous state than it was at present. It had had some difficulties, but no institution of the kind was without them. One reason for their only having 50 students was that the value of the College was not known. In Manchester it was often asked him whether Welsh was taught there. He had sent his two sons there, and he was satisfied of their pro- gress. If he had twenty sons he would send them to Aberystwyth, (Cheers.) Mr T. J. Thomas (of the firm of Messrs Thomas and Ellis Jones, of I.ondon), seconded the vote. As a Welshman, he was much indebted to Mr Hugh Owen for the noble work lie had performed up to the present. (Cheers). As to the grant, the Govern- ment was dealing very hardly and unfairly with Welshmen, He did not know what Wales had done that it should not have support. Mr Hugh Owen's scheme in connection with grammar schools, was most admirable, and as a Carmarthen boy he offered £100 to be dealt with as Mr Owen thought proper—(cheers,)—either for a Carmarthen or a Carmarthenshire boy. The Principal (the Rev T. C. Edwards) said he hoped the Council would allow him to support the resolution. He thought lie ought to do so as the representative of the senate in that place, and to assure his lordship, the council, and the people of Wales, that the senate fully intended to co-operate, and he hoped they would co-operate, in carrying on the great work of the College. (Cheers.) He was glad to hear the noble president express the determin- ation of the council to co-cperate with the senate, and he coald respond to it by saying that they in- tended to co-operate with the council. (Cheers.) Mr David Davies had said that the council should take care of the internal affairs. (Laughter.) That was the idea which he had formed of their duties in the College. It might not bf so in boy's schools, but in every Collete, as that College intended to he, such as Owen's College, Manchester; King's College, Lon- don University College, London and St. David's College I-ampeter-the internal administration was in the hands of the senate. (Loud and continued j applause). Not because the senate professed to know more about College matters—there were many gentlemen »n the council who certainly knew quite as much respecting the internal working of the Col- lesre as the senate did, but because thr-y were the responsible persons—( hear, hear, )-if any thing went wro-;g the fault was at once found in the principal and professors of the College and if those gentlemen had happened to be principal and professors in that College—and he happened to be a member of the council without being on the senate—he should certainly say, "You take care that you carry on the College. We entrust you to do that, and if anything is wrong we shall consider you accountable" (cheers). The internal working of the College must necessarily be in the senate (applause) Ho regretted very much the storm that had taken place, but like many other storms he believed that it had cleared the atmos- phere [hear, hear]. He did admit that there was wanting a full and explicit confidence between the senate and couneil that time, and the elements were gathering, lowering, and looking very dark, until at last it broke, and the storm had cleared the atmos- phere [hear, hear]. He now was happy to observe that there was an excellent feeling in the council towards the senate and towards the students, and he believed there was an excellent fe' ling towards the council in the senate ajid in the body of students [applause j. As he had said two or three years ago—he L repeated it now with all the emphasis he could-that he should not have anything to do with the College except so long as he possessed the confidence of the council, the confidence of the students, and the confidence of the country [applause]. He was fully determined to do all he could to help the Council in every possible way, and, as he had hitherto done, to devote all his time, energies, and powers, to the great work of establishing the institution, and, be was sure he should have the co-operation of all his colleagues, land the co-operation of the students [applause]. The vote was put by the Rev Principal, and accorded with much applause. The Right Hon. Chairman said he thanked them very hear tily for the kind manner in which they had acknowledged his services. He fully agreed with all that had been said by the Principal, but wished to add that he never thought the Council interfered with the internal 'arrangements of the College. He had always'thought it was an external matter. The dispute, lie believed, was happily settled. He wished I t o add one or t NO remarks to his opening statement. He must express the deep sense of gratitude which the ccmmittee felt towards Professor Rudler, who h ad left, for the pains he had taken in collecting and arra nging the museum, A resolution had been passed by the Conn cil, but tiny were extremely amious tlmt public expres- sion should be given to their thanks. (Cheers.) Gratitude was fiiiil to have to do with favours to come. Professor Itudler was now ronnected with the Geological Society of England, where were many objeets of interest, duplicates of which ex- isted, and some of which they might hope would fii d their way to Aberystwyth. (Laughter and cheers.) He had before alluded to the imperfect condition in which students presented themselves for admission to the College. He had ju;t been assured by the Principal that a marked improvement in this respect was now discernible. JlLlt was a great result— specially encouraging to those who su] ported the College when the state of inteimediate education was low. The, pio- motersof the College had been charged with nutting "the cart before the horse." they hod lWln told that, Wales needed schools, and not a college. They had replied, "Support the College, and 'ou wi.1 find it will give an impulse to the schools." The fact he had first stated entirely bore out that argument. Honours had been WI n at the College by natives trl ni all parts of "Wales Tlit N- had students from Anglesea and Glamorganshire, and it tliey had not one from every county between these two remote counties, it was because they had not as many prizes a3 they counties. A, for himself, nothing wan mine dear to his heart than the promotion 01 education in Walts, and he knew of i.o means for den g so more ^ft'ectually or more widely-spread tlian'pronioting the interests of ifiat College. (Loud and continued cheering.) The proceedings then teiminated. [Extracts from the report of the Council, together with Professor Rudler's report on the Museum, will be published in our next.]



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