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ARCHIDIACONAL VISITATION. -■ Tha v:.ùal visitation of the Ven. Archdeacon ifforth was made (as announced in last week's issue) Ae this town on Friday week, when service was held ia St Michael's church at 12.30, and the attendance the clergy and churchwardens was larger than it been known to be for several years past. It was kitted that there was only one country parish unre- presented, the churchwarden in this case being too 'Ottwcll to attend. The following is a list of those /*ho attended Revs J. Pugh, R.D., Llanbadarn- «wr; Prebendary Williams, Holy Trinity; J. H. J^otheroe, St Michael's; W. J. Wooding, Eglwys- D. Lewis, Llancynfelin; J. M. Griffiths, Llanfi- Geneu'rglyn T. Thomas, Talybont G. Roderick, Borth A. Williams, Elerch M. Morgan, *"enrhyncoch; W. Evans, Llangorwen; J. Rees, Capel W. Gabe, Goginan T. Parry, Llanbadarn; i*- Williams, Llanafan; E. Jones, Strata Florida; J. .Ofces, Ystrad Meurig; M. Evans, Llangwyryfon J. T ratlf' klansantffraid T. Evans, Llanrhystid J. • °y«» Llanddeinol; B. Edwardes, Llanfihangel-y- Poyddm J. T. Griffiths, Llanilar J. Thomas, Jenkins Llanychaiarn;E. Alban,Lledrod; ystwyth^168' Jenkins, and VV. Evans, Aber- AWy5twythTstg MihcSvfrMeS pTv™ =~ and B. E. Morgan (Trinity) ^rrS^E- P" ^Jna& Elerch, Thomas Jones andThr>101111 Morgan Jones -^oynfelin, John JoS- TlaS°ma^lchard^ L1lan" Khoatie, Richard \t!' Llanil;}r' Jolln E. Hughes; 'ThomasJones Tin «lgan; Llanfihangel Lledrod, •David Jenkins' r T? Lanf?el'Geneurg'1yn, D. Jones, llaufihaneel-v.'p^Vj ar,ds' and H- Stinchcombe; I»iantrisanf i? £ ? ^'n' J°hn Jenkins and J. Jones; Arch ri h Hll?hes Davies; Strata Floyida, T. J'ari-o- r ni George Price Ystradmeurig, M. Jam \T biidarn-fawr, John Thomas, Chas Clark, Po £ S Tearcy and Evan Simon; Llanddeinol, Hy. «gn Llangorwen, Thomas Oliver and J. Griffiths ^langwyryfon, John Jones; Llanrhystid, Thomas ^chards Llansaintffraid, Dl. Jones Llanychaiarn, Richard Jones and Vaughan Davies. Mr Ha-old J. "^orth was the registrar. At the close of the business the company adjourned to the Lion Royal Hotel, where a discussion on several .^uurch matters was raised by Archdeacon North. 'The Ten. gentleman said the time was very limited in ^onsequence of the necessity of fixing on a late hour assembling at the church, and he must confine X* remarks to a very limited space. He thanked tàell1 very much for complying with his citation so and he looked forward with anxious "ttlterest, and he would invite their common discussion, 'Il1O that he might have the advantage of their '^JPerien«e, and that by their common council they be at least none the worse for coming together, proposed to deal with some of the bills now Process in Parliament, one of which was |passing fough committee in the Upper House. He wished 5nto e to the bill which was arousing the greatest *-erest on the part of the clergy an J on the part of ■jOeo who had to pay tithes, and, again, he wished to JQJ, e reserved in the second part of the programme ^8h°rt address proposed to be delivered by his • 6 ^ev ^l°yd Williams) who represented 5fca»i lety ^or the Propagation of the Gospel, who was address the churchwardens upon the subject •as!iS-0nar^ en^erprise. He said there was an Act Pila which they were familiar with, called JKJ • alities Amendment Act, and that Act was th Df reproduced. He called special attention ^jred^v! se dea^nS with services in Wales, and "fcside f *n ^he dioceses of Wales provision must be cl 6 Welsh people, and he did not agree with which the Bishops were not empowered ■Sanrf61 •n upon one Welsh service every s*dTfvif'1D eac^ parish. One would think that the i ought to know something about ^^lirements of the Welsh people, but to speak one service in Welsh was to speak of that as a t Wa* absurd. He did blame those who ought 'patched the process of the bill and prevented a limitation as that. It was very hard, when of the population was so largely Welsh, ^*tint them of Welsh services, and he felt sorely '^ori l • P°^n''1 no^ because he wished to seek ;?Pttlarity, but he did feel most strongly in sympathy Welsh majority of their parishioners (ap- S?i There must be some alteration, or the -rch would go to the wall. Presuming that bill •%lHrtJ:arried into effect it would cause an awakening the Welsh people, their distaste, disgust, and j^hdrawal. and then disestablishment would "^SJU^dly come. The Bishop of St. Asaph proposed "? in this clause, which would enable the S^oop to use his discretion and authority for giving parishes what was their due. He then alluded to clause, which he said would be an advantage clergy of this part of Wales. They knew that Endowments of parishes, speaking generally, were "tinted, and tby an Act brought forward by .IjhuuldLIanover if was forbidden that anyone le^e^ed "old more than two benefices if they a year asd were two miles apart; foo,. ,Was proposed to extend it to < £ 200 and over *fn.- es. The Church itself, he said, was in a very position. Internally, he was rejoiced to know it waa keopmgf its level, and its voice was j^RWous, and he believed it would become more and so. In this respect their outlook was gratify- j?&; they had those who were leaders in the estab- j**Uoent of many movements which would be to the advantage of the country but they had also movements, and they could not expect all as a flowing river there were others who arouse storms, and who, advancing by parties, J?0t ^rielld^ to the Church, and he urged toe"*1 hearers the necessity of their doing all in jj Power to propagate the principles of the Church. ^then proceeded to touch upon the question of the and bill relating to this matter which had ^.brought forward in the House of Lords. It pro- transfer the tithe rent charge from the to the landowner, by whom it was to be paid r^Hit b This was provided for in the Act of 1836, another Act and by private arrangement pay- v.Wa,i ma(^c by the tenant, and such arrangement vt produced eollision. A second part of the bill "tjyJ Ca'^e<i the redemption of tithe, by which the charge once for all should be dispensed I this bill there was one advantage—that Sfc^fiators, lay and clerical,and titheowners should ler 011 same le^cl and the same footing. Qte na€r advantage he pointed out was that in future raent would be based on the average of seven So that if one seven years did not come up to a 111 amount the next seven years might realise his The next point was the provision in the bill K cbar&e was to be recovered not by dis- but as a simple debt by going into the County „aild thus recovering the claim. He took the of the rate of rent charge where the produce of was not sufficient to pay the tithe, then they SjfjW refer the case to the County Court, and the Sao8 Was t° appoint a person to value the land, and ^hat amount it actually did produce. Referring compulsory redemption of tithes, he said it had decided that the rate at which the redemption be made was 20 years' purchase, and it was !Sed that this was too low. In the first Act of 1836 wras 25 years, and in Ireland 22 £ years. It seemed the redemption was to be lodged with the "^fciowmcnt Trustees, and then must be invested in security, such as Government, or to redeem the tax, or public loans, and it was believed that amount produced would be £ 90 as compared with 4J106 of 1836. The whole question of tithes was thinking of; it was supposed that the sum total of paid was about j64,000,000, but it was actually by ten per cent, besides other charges to a Matchless sum. On the whole he thought the bill Verthy of their support, and he asked for an expres- sion of their opinion upon it. The Eev J. Pugh proposed a resolution that the Meeting agreed with the suggestions made by the Ven. Archdeacon. He thought they were all very good first, to put the payment of titbes on the landowners not on the tenant. There was no doubt that the citation now going on in North Wales and in seme tatta of South Wales, was made against the Church the clergy, and the ringleaders of the agitation, J[wo tried to persuade many farmers who were willing pay the tithes against doing so in several instances as to get at the clergy. In this neighbourhood aulat of the tithes had been alienated from the Churoh, Amd were now in possession of laymen, and conse- ygntly they found no agitation in this part of the because the tithes where paid to laymen and 1Int to the clergy. If this clause in the bill of pay- taemt by the landlords were passed, the ringleaders the agitation would not have the same ground to WOtk upon as they had at present, and he believed they would have to try something else. With regard Co the payment of tithes, the present mode of dis- count was not very agreeable, and caused great commotion throughout the Principality, therefore "tfee simple proposal to raise the tithes, if not paid like a common debt would be a great improvement, and a great deal of the high feeling of the country Vould be done away with. He pointed out that the tithe was put upon the land, and not upon the individual; it was the property of the Church from time immemorial, and the Church had a right to it as ameh as aay one had a right to their own. If this loll was carried he was convinced that the agitators must look for some other cause of complaint against He Church, which was gaining ground every day, and if she was left alone for ten or fifteen years he Ijelieved they would be able to defy the enemy (hear, &ear). The Rev J. H. Protheroe seconded the motion, say- iogthat he quite felt what had been said by the Arch- cmwcou and Mr Pugh but there were difficulties no 4Ioabt bristling in the whole bill, and it was im- possible to find any solution which would satisfy .body. He quite felt the many points of diffi- culty. Alluding to the point as to whether the pro- cess of enforcing payment by County Court would be an advantage, he asked them to take the case of a non-resident landlord, who might be here and there and all over the world, and it would be a dlffioult matter to find him, and the poor clergyman would have to wait a long time before he could bring it home to him. But in looking at this matter the first question he put to himself was, is the present arrange- ment satisfactory? He thought everybody must admit that it was not. Next, can the question be solved otherwise than by legislation? Then he was obliged tolsay it must be by legislation. And then, can the legislation be in better hands than at present ? To which he answered, No, certainly not. Then he supported the present measure (hear, hear.) The Rev J. M. Griffiths, who spoke in Welsh, said he looked with favour on the bill, and especially on the redemption clause. He had made a rough calcu- lation, and he showed that out of the £ 100 tithes after taking the depreciation in value, owing to tne cost of collection, rates and taxes, Ac., for this year, the total amount received by the titbe-owner _*on d be .£70 18s, while the redemption, at 20 years pur- chase of £ 100, would amount to £ 2,000 capital, which Tnertent would yield £ 60 per annum in per- Detuity and at 3* it would be £ 70, which would only be lSs per cent, less than the value for this year, and he feared that the value of and that in a few years the £ 100 in tithes would not yiThemresolutionPwas ^rricd unanimously and the Ven Archdeacon thanked them very much for the p-K-^pllent discussion which had taken place. The Rev D. Lloyd Williams, representative of the Society for the Propagation of the Gospel, next ad- dressed the meeting,and said that it afforded him great pleasure to come there on behalf of the society, whose primary object was to provide the means of gospel for their countrymen in the colonies, and, secondly, to provide for the heathen world, and especially because it was the oldest society in con- nection with their own Church doing such work, it having been in existence for 99 years before any other society in connection with their own Church, and was the only society, generally speaking, that had provided for their countrymen in the colonies. The principles upon which they worked were those of the Church. Sometimes they were told that they were a little biftoo high Church, and sometimes they were told that they were a little bit too low Church (laughter), but they were never told that they were no Church. It was a Church society-part and par- cel of the very life of the Church; they recognised no party, while they welcomed all parties. Those who were chief in authority in the Church were chief in authority in this society, among them being the two Archbishops and the Bishop of London, who, he thought, would be accepted as representative men. Referring to the work done by the society during the past 186 years, he said that first of all missionaries went out to the northern part of British America, where they found their own countrymen living in a state of total heathenism, having actually forgotten the day of the week and God's day fathers and mothers were never married, and everybody lived in darkness. One bishop was sent, and a marvellous change had taken place. Now they had 70 bishops and 3,600 clergy, with a larger number of adherents than the whole population of Wales, counting every man, woman, and child. It had been said that some day their own Canada would be a mightier nation than even the United States, and there again the Church was making wonderful progress. Some few years ago there was only one clergyman of the Church of England to be found in this vast territory but by to-day they had three dioceses. They had 300 clergy who were independent and self-supporting, with 300 churches, out of which 147 had been built in the diocese of one bishop. In northern Canada the demand upon the society was very great, the influx of population into the province of Manitoba alone, where clergymen were wanted, being 3,000 a week. For every penny given by the society those people raised 5d, and not only did they raise money, but they were making noble efforts, which were crowned with success, in providing their ministers with lay helpers. He gave one instance of this kind, and then proceeded to refer te New Zealand, which had been, through the influence of the society, covered with a network of Church work, having at the present time three bishoprics, 600 clergy, and thousands attached to and working in the same faith. They had spent £ 250,0:)0 on the Church, while the yearly contribution of the society was only Jg300. Newfoundland, again, was one of the poorest and coldest of countries, and now 18 out of every 20 were Churchpeople, while 50 years ago the people had to go 60 miles in order to be lawfully and legally married. Now the Church had covered the whole country. He then referred to the great work which was being carried on in India, where Christianity had multiplied a hundredfold within the last hundred years. For India, he said, they wanted good heads as well as good hearts. He concluded by making an urgent appeal on behalf of the society, the funds of which had fallen oS.82.000a year. When the Church would lose her missionary zeal she must lose her life, because missionary zeal was her life blood, and in this archdeaconry he regretted to say that out of the 113 parishes only twelve contributed anything. A man at Carmarthen had said, We are ashamed to send you small sums." He said that was false pride they did not care for the amount, but they wanted all the churches to do something. This was the work of the whole Church-it was the work of Christ Himself-it was for this purpose that the Son of God was manifest, that he might destroy the works of the devil. He asked them to pass a resolution expressing their desire to record their most cordial co-operation with the society (hear, hear). Rev Prebendary Williams agreed with the impor- tance of this society being duly supported by the clergy everywhere. They had been carrying on a very noble work in the mission field, and this society in particular had been attending to the wants of their own people who had emigrated to the colonies, and therefore it had a claim upon them on behalf of their own kith and kin who had been obliged to earn their bread beyond the seas (applause). The Rev J. M. Griffiths said he had great pleasure in seconding the motion, and he was very glad to hear that the society would be thankful for small donations. Many of the churches could not afford to give much, but they could afford to give a little, and he was per- fectly sure that if a collection was made in every Church throughout the archdeaconry of Cardigan and the proceeds devoted between the two Church societies—some might prefer sending their contribu- tions to the Church Missionary Society, and others might prefer sending them to this society—a fair sum would be realised, and he hoped that no church would be without a collection during the coming year towards either or both societies (hear, hear). The resolution having been unanimously agreed to, the party adjourned to another room, where Mr and Mrs Roberts had provided a splendid cold luncheon, which was admirably well served up. After luncheon, The Ven. Archdeacon North said they were loyal to the Bishop of the diocese and he was also re- minded that this was the jubilee year, and he in- cluded in the toast the Queen, royal family, and the Bishop of the diocese (hear, hear). The Rev J. Pugh said the toast that he had to pro- pose would be sincerely and warmly received by all present it was the health of the Venerable Arch- deacon (hear, hear). He had, in the first place, to express their deep sympathy with him in his sad bereavement since he held his last VIsltatlOn he al- luded to the death of Mrs North. It must have been a terrible blow to him, in the evening of his life,after having brought up so large a family, and having cheered and consoled each other for so many years, the parting must have been a heartbreaking one. But he had Christian resignation and fortitude to say even in that dark hour, God's will be done." And in proposing his health they all wished him all the Christian consolation that could be bestowed upon a good and Christian man (hear, hear). The Ven. Archdeacon North who was deeply affected, said their kindness had touched him deeply; after the months of sorrow which he could not cast aside he thanked Mr Pugh and all present for their kindness. He had received a suc- cession of blows, and was at that moment living in great anxiety about one who was very dear to him. He could sincerely express his feelings that there was no part of the diocese where he was received with more warmth of feeling and geniality than by the clergy in this part of the county, and he had always great pleasure in coming there. He then briefly alluded to the subjects which had been under discussion that morning, and especially referred to the foreign missions of the Church, in which from the earliest ministrations of his youth he had been deeply interested, and they could all sympathise with the far-away working men. In proposing the health of the rural dean (Mr Pugh), he said he had been an very old friend of his. Mr Pugh had entered into his (the speaker's) domestic circle, and he referred to Mr Pugh's dear mother-in-law, and also his father-in-law, whom he spoke of as most exemplary persons. He also spoke of Mr Pugh's preferment to the rural deanery in a most kind way. Mr Pugh said the Bishop offered him the office of rural dean, which he neither expected nor deserved (" Yes, yes "); but as he had done so, in fear and hope he should do his best to carry out the wishes of his lordship in this part of his episcopal diocese. A meeting of the clergy and laity had been held, and they had laid down two things to be done, the first of which was the carrying out of choral festivals. That work was already going on, one festival having been held, and another was to take place at Llanfi- hangel-y-Creuddyn. Another step was to improve the Sunday schools, for which they were about to I get catechism books. He said that he should be happy to co-operate with the clergy in every good Work (hear hear). The Archdeacon said it was due from them they should recognise the value of the new biood which had been introduced into their midst, but before he did that he alluded to the fact that two rural deans had departed from their midst during the past year. In one case they had lost their friend Sir Octavius Davies, whose withdrawal had been a matter of universal regret. He was a kind friend, and his genial smile made him a warm friend of all whom he met. Everyone of them felt that they had lost a friend and an efficient member of the Church. He next referred to the Rev Henry Morgan, who had been a friend of his for many years. Mr Morgan was an eloquent preacher, and a man of peculiar excel- lence, commanding the respect of a large circle, who looked up to him in his position as a clergyman and rural dean. He then referred to the coming of two of their brethren into Aberystwyth-(the Rev J. H. Protheroe and the Rev Prebendary Williams)—who had received the welcome of everyone in this county and whose coming was to the advantage of the place! wiWere £ eutlemen who held prominent positions and they were both distinguished by special talents' and were likely to advance the cause of the Church. He also referred to the Rev J. M. Griffiths, who had been introduced into the country districts, whom, he said, he had known for many years in his previous parish where he was very successful. He proposed the health of these three gentlemen (hear, hear). W-.V ee £ entlemen responded. The Rev D. Lloyd Williams proposed the health of the churchwardens, terra*10 Wynne replied, and the proceedings

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