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BOARD OF GUARDIANS. The fortnightly meeting of the board was held on Monday. Present-Rev John Pugh (in the chair) Mr John James, ex-officio; Prebendary Williams, Mesars C. M. Williams, John Morgan, timber mer- chant, and John Jenkins, Aberystwyth Rev J. T. Griffiths, Llaailar; Rev J. M. Griffiths, Llanfiangel Geneu 'rglyn Messrs David Jones, Rest; David Rowlands, Mabwshen James Jones, Tyllwyd; John Jones, Penbwlch; E. J. Morgan, Melindwr; Evan James, Tanrallt; William Paull, Cwmbrwyno; Wm. James, Pwllcenawon; John James, Tynrhos; Richard Hughes, Cefnhendre David Owen, Maenelin John Edwards, Rhydtir; Thomas Evans, Trawsnant; Wm. Eyans, Brynhir; John Jones, Moelglomen; Evan Riohards, Penuwch; and Hugh Hughes, clerk. THE HOUSE. The Master reported that there were 71 in the oonse, against 65 in the corresponding fortnight of last year. The number of vagrants relieved was 44, against 37 in the corresponding fortnight of last year. FINANCE. The following out-relief was administered during the past fortnight :—Aberystwyth district, per Mr John Jones, < £ 34 10s 6d, to 147 paupers; corresponding fortnight, .£38 19s 6d, to 162 paupers Geneu'rglyn district, per Mr John D. Jones, .f46 9s Od, to 181 Paupers corresponding fortnight, .£46 15s 6d, to 183 Paupers; Ilar district, per Mr Joseph Morgan, .£41 6s 6d, to 162 paupers; corresponding fortnight, .£42 7s, to 168 paupers. The amount in the bank to the credit of the union was .£408 15s lid. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN. The Chairman said he saw by one of the minutes that the first business was the appointment of a chairman. He was not present at the last meeting, but he found the board proposed Mr Morris Davies to take the chair, and that he refused, and he had since sent a letter to the Clerk in which he expressed that view asain more fully. He read the letter, 'Which was as follows Ffosrhydgaled, Llanfarian, Aberystwyth, January 7th, 1888. Dear Sir,-In order that the guardians may have the opportunity to-morrow of discussing the question Who should succeed Mr Fryer as chairman of the board, I write to beg of you to inform those of them that you may see that I have fully made up my mind to adhere to my decision of Monday last. And at the Same time to assure them that I relinquish the share of the management of the board that I had taken upon myself with the very deepest regret.—I am, dear sir, your faithfully, MORRIS DAVIES. He (the chairman) thought it was very unfortunate that Mr Davies did not take to the office now, as they were so near the end of the year, because in fact he had filled the chair nearly the whole of the year, and there was now not more than three months to run. Mr C. M.Williams said that letter was written to the "assessment committee held that day week, and was not intended for the Board of Guardians. Since that time a large number of guardians had been speaking to Mr Davies with regard to his continuing in the Qhair, and pointing out that they desired him to con- tinue to the end of the year, and he now had it on the best authority that Mr Davies did not purpose to resign if the board was anxious that he should con- tinue, and he was prepared to comply with their Wishes but, on the other hana, if the board wished to elect some one else, he would net stand in the way. If Mr Davies did really mean to press his resignation he would have written an official letter to the board. The Rev J. M. Griffiths: This letter is addressed to Hugh Hughes, Esq., clerk to the Aberystwyth Board of Guardians. The Chairman: That was written for another Meeting and not for this. Mr C. M. Williams urged that taking the general faithfulness in which Mr Davies had discharged his duty they ought to elect him unanimously. He proposed the election of Mr Davies. The Chairman Until the end of the year. The Rev J. M. Griffiths said that before the motion Was put to the meeting he wished to say that with the exception of a few words said by Mr Williams no one "Would endorse the sentiments expressed byMr Williams :more heartily than he did. At their last meeting, When Mr Davids, their first vice-chairman, suddenly told them that he had made up his mind to resign all Share in the administration of the union, no one was Inore sorry than he was, and he did his best to press Upon him to re-consider his determination. Eventu- ally they got Mr Davies not to answer, and he (the Speaker) said they would take his silence for consent. Not knowing Mr Davies's feelings, he afterwards Wrote him expressing his own, and he believed the Sentiments of the majority of the board. He received a reply from Mr Davies very similar to the One already read, only more decided in tone, that «^er no consideration could he change the decision Which he had arrived at. Now they had nothing before "bent in black and white, only the letter from Mr •Davies, which was so decided against taking office, therefore it would be a great unkindness to elect ™r Davies and press this office upon him, when he Was so anxious, as he said himself, to get rest, and he had washed his hands entirely from the affairs of the union. He could hardly believe that Mr Davies Would in such a short time change his mini on the Subject. .)ilr C. M. Willia ms said he had received a letter from Mr Davies, and since that time the question had been put to him pretty straight, and he said if it Was the wish of the board he was prepared not to press his resignation. He had been asked by a large number of guardians to continue until the end of the ?hRr' anc^ ^at being 80 had not a shadow of doubt "hat Mr Davies would accept office. The Chairman That may be the reason why he changed his mind, and would now consent to the chair. » The Rev J. M. Griffiths He can hardly have seen guardians than were present at the last meet- tog, Mr John James said that Mr Morris Davies made a Public statement when he resigned that he was anxious to resign, and now they had it in black and bought they should not take into con- sideration any verbal statements. It seemed to him that tney now wanted to make Mr Davies look as luieulous in the eyes of the public as they possiby c°old. No grea ter injustice could be done after W&at he had said and done than to go and elect him agaIn, and he hoped that Mr Williams would not propose him, because he really thought that if a man resign they ought to accept it. Mr Davies would thank them if they were now to elect him again, make him look ridiculous, as if he did not know CM own mind. The Chairman Will anyone second Mr Williams' proposition ? Mr James, Tanrallt, seconded. The Rev J. M. Griffiths said that simply because believed it would be unkind to force the office upon Mr Davies, he proposed that for the remainder of the year they should elect Mr Vauaihan Davies as chairman. He had seen Mr Vaughan Davies, and he had consented to accept the office, although he was Rot anxious for it, and he promised to devote his time and energy and talents to the business of the union. ■He would much prefer that there would he no division, a.nd he did not believe that there would be, because aU the evidence they had before the board showed •uat there was no question at all about it that Mr ■fflioirris Davies's wish was not to be elected there that Mr C. M. Williams said that Mr John James and Griffiths appeared to make things ti Mr John James I object to any personal insinua- -tions. I have not seen Mr Griffiths since I was here haveTheard 1 6r know anything except what I Mr C. M. Williams asked them to look at the matter tair y, and the board would understand that JMr .Davies had withdrawn his resignation having Seen a large number of guardians he thought it advis- able to continue till the end of the year. He knew that Mr Davies was prepared to act The Rev J. M. Griffiths We have not got that "Cfore us. Mr C. M. Williams further thought that the board Was not prepared to insult their second vice-chair- lee c man assuming that Mr Morris Davies was not pre- pared to accept the office, he did not think there Was any occasion to go outside the board to appoint a chairman. J. M. Griffiths We are not going outside. Mr Williams thought they would be degrading jnemselves if they carried out tactics of this kind, e trusted they would elect Mr Morris Davies unani- ously, and thus show their gratitudato him for his Past services. OT! The Rev J. M. Griffiths read Mr Davies's letter a,M more, so that the board might know what he himself, Mr C. M. Williams That has been read once, ^r Griffiths proceeded to read. Paull: What is the date of that letter ? « Mr C. M. Williams The 7th. It was written to 1assessment committee. Mr Griffiths: They were members of this board. be» r€la<^ sentence in which Mr Davies said I Seo?0U ^n^orm those of them whom you may tav H ? kave fully made up my mind to adhere to »m»envlS10n'" asked if Mr Davies would not he withdrew"fr^C'U^0US a^er sen(*ing that letter if We shall look more ridiculous a lot if Morris Davi^ifw^ Al*-11 be a comPlimcnt to Mr T«Vm Tr we elect him. he would not 8 if they elected Mr Davies foZcept ft self to look 80 Mr John Morgan seconded the appointment of Mr Vaughan Davies. Mr C. M. Williams said he had a letter in which Mr Davies promised to accept the office. Mr Griffiths We have not got that here. Mr John James suggested that instead of electing a chairman that day the matter should be adjourned for a fortnight, and then they could have Mr Davies's decision in black and white. The Rev J. T. Griffiths seconded Mr James's sug- gestion. Mr John James said it was rather awkward to pit these two men one against the other. Let Mr Morris Davies give it in black and white, and then they would all support him. Rev J. M. Griffiths accepted Mr James's suggestion, because if they elected Mr Morris Davies let it be done unanimously. Mr James Jones agreed with the adjournment; but on being put to the vote it was lost, only six voting in favour. The Rev J. M. Griffiths withdrew his proposition. Mr John James again said he did not think Mr Davies would accept it. Mr C. M. Williams said there were no grounds for saying that, as Mr Davies had positively declaredjthat he would take it. Unfortunately this thing had been worked up, and he was exceedingly sorry, as it was an insult to the board. Mr John Morgan Explain yourself, please. Mr Williams I can, if that is necessary; and I will be talked to by the Chairman. The Chairman I fancy that Mr Williams must have good grounds for saying that Mr Davies will accept the chair. The Rev J. M. Griffiths It is very strange that this should come at the back of the board. The proposal to elect Mr Morris Davies as chair- man was then agreed to without a dissentient. MR C. M. WILLIAMS AND A PAID NURSE. The Chairman read the following letter, which was received from the Local Government Board :-The Local Government Board have received a letter from Mr C. M. Williams, one of the guardians of the poor of the Aberystwyth union, in which he informs them that the nurse at the workhouse has resigned, and that the guardians have not yet appointed a successor, but that the duties of the office are to be performed by an inmate, whose age and previous misconduct render her unfit to have such duties entrusted to her. The board consider it necessary for the proper care of the sick inmates that a paid nurse should be appointed and the duties of nursing not entrusted to a pauper inmate. The board must, therefore, request the guardians to proceed to appoint a nurse, the particulars of which appointment when made should be submitted to the board in one of the enclosed forms. The Chairman Without a doubt, at the request of the Local Government Board, we shall now have to proceed to elect a nurse. The Rev J. M. Griffiths remarked that it was very strange that whenever the subject of expenditure came to be considered the Local Government Board always went in for expense, and not economy. He did not complain that Mr C. M. Williams had written this letter, because he was acting within his right, but it was rather strange that Mr Williams, who had been so great an advocate for economy, should be so anxious to incur this wholly unnecessary expense. And not only that, but if his memory served him right, Mr Williams had always held that the Local Goverment Board should not exercise so much con- trol over local bodies as they now do. [Mr Williams: In some things.] And he had signed a petition pray- ing them to relax their control and authority over boards, so that they should have control over their officers and the expenditure of the union but now, when this motion was lost, he lost no time in trying to move the machinery to compel them to incur extra expense which was wholly unnecessary, in his opinion. He suggested that they should not proceed to elect a paid nurse, but that they should answer the Local Government Board respectfully and say that the question had been under the consideration of the board, and that the guardians were satisfied with the present nurse—an inmate of the house-who had nursed the old people, and that as to the physical powers of the nurse, they respectfully submitted to the opinion of the medical officer of the workhouse as being the best, and they begged to refer the Local Government Board to the doctor on that subject. Mr C. M. Williams said that all Mr Griffiths had said was very plausible, and he fancied he was trying to throw dust in the eyes of the guardians by bring- ing in economy and expenditure. He had always done all he possibly could to reduce the expenditure where he thought it necessary, and had fought hard in cases before that board where he thought the expenditure was extravagant, and his opponent in that case was Mr Griffiths. Mr Griffiths Never. Mr Williams quoted the case of the printing, where the cost was £ 80 more than in other unions. He went into that matter and left his figures on the table, but Mr Griffiths then went out of his way to show that they had more printing done. But he looked upon the appointment of a nurse as an expenditure which they were bound to incur to do justice to the old women in the house, and after what had taken place, he thought it was clearly his duty-knowing the conduct of old Bess the Fiddler (the present nurse) in the past, to state the facts to the Local Government Board, and he had simply stated the facts without any comment. Mr Griffiths had said that the majority of the guardians thought Bess a fit and proper person for a nurse, but he maintained that the majority of the guardians knew nothing as to how she performed her duties. He was satisfied that she did not do the old people justice. There were six or seven old women in the sick ward. The Rev J. M. Griffiths denied that. Mr Williams asked that he should be allowed to make his statement. Mr Griffiths But you don't state facts. Mr Williams Yes, I do I had it from the mouth of the late nurse. Mr Griffiths Her mouth is not right. Mr C. M. Williams, referring to the petition that he signed asking the Local Government Board for more control, said that in some things it was a great advantage to be controlled by a higher power, and in things of this sort it was a great blessing to the poor that the guardians had not the sole control. There was not a guardian present who would like the present nurse to attend him or would recommend her to one of his relatives, and he contended that if the ratepayers were willing to pay any money it was to pay for a good nurse for the poor. He also said that he knew many poor people who would not come into the house while Bess was the nurse, and con- cluded by proposing that the Clerk should advertise for a, nurse, in compliance with the request of the Local Government Board. Mr James Jones asked if there was any complaint as to the way in which Bess did her work ? Mr C. M. Williams said not at present. Mr James Jo os Please to give the names of those who refused to come in because Bess is nurse. Mr C. M. Williams I have the names. They are not in a fit state to come in at present. Mr James Jones Who was doiIig the work when the other nurse was in town ? She was always in town when I happened to see her. Mr C. M. Williams I suppose she was allowed to go out like the other servants. The Rev J. M. Griffiths: Who attended to every labour case during the time of the last nurse P Mr James Jones I very often saw her about Pier- street. Mr C. M. Williams If she did not do her duty it was the duty of the master to bring the matter before the board. Mr James Jones seconded Mr Griffiths' proposal, remarking that neither the doctor nor the master made any complaint, and he believed that Bess did most of the work when they had a nurse there. Mr C. M. Williams said that Mr James Jones had changed his mind since 1885, and the master then brought in a report asking them to look into this matter. Mr Griffiths That is three years ago. Mr Williams said then Mr Fryer gave notice that he should bring the matter forward, and at first a salary of .£16 was agreed upon, when Mr James Jones said J616 was too little, and proposed that it should be .£20, but that day he was really going against what he then thought, and he should like to hear some reason. Mr James Jones The conduct of the late nurse has made me change my mind. Mr David Jones seconded Mr Williams' proposi- tion, and said that they knew the old people did not have proper attention, and therefore they could not expect them to come into the house. Mr John Morgan: You had better go to the inmates and ask them. Mr John James said that if they did not appoint a paid nurse the Local Government Board would do so and charge the board with the salary. He happened to be at the board three years ago when they were told that the old people were neglected by this woman, and Mr James Jones at that time was in favour of having a paid nurse. This person was most incompetent to look after the poor old people. As to what Mr Morgan said, the old people would not tell the guardians whether they had any com- plaint or not; they would put up with anything rather than complain, because they were afraid it would come back to the officials, and they would suffer for it. He was satisfied that the present nurse was not a fit and proper person to .look after these poor people, and it was false economy to employ her. The Rev. J. T. Griffiths pointed out that they had the medical officer's opinion and the master's opinion, and both were satisfied with the present arrangements, therefore they could memorialise the Local Government Board to reconsider its decision. The Rev. J. M. Griffiths said that Mr C. M. Williams had made a charge against him Mr C. M. Williams I made no charge. Mr Griffiths, at the request of the Chairman, refrained from referring to the matter, and said he hoped the guardians would not change the decision of the board with regard to the nurse. There was no question in his mind but that those in the sick ward got the best of treatment, or such treatment as they could expect to have unless they had a trained nurse. He should always be the first to speak up for the poor people, but he hoped the guardians would decide to write up to the Local Governmentt Board to say that they were satisfied with the present nurse. It made no difference to say that old Bess was intemperate-that was three years ago, and there had been no charge against her since, and she could very well nurse five people in one room, only two of whom were very bad, and only one of whom could not move herself. Mr C. M. Williams withdrew his motion, and on a division on Mr Grimths* motion, twelve voted for and five against. Mr C. M. Williams afterwards gave notice that he should propose at the next meeting that the board proceed to the appointment of a paid nurse. TREAT TO THE INMATES AND OFFICIALS. The Master reported that Mr C M. Williams had treated the inmates to tea and cake, the officers to a cake each, and to the master he gave a splendid hare (laughter). The thanks of the board were accorded to Mr Williams, and also to Miss Maggie Morton, who treated the children to her entertainment, and also gave them an orange each. COMPLAINT AGAINST THE MATRON. The Master reported that an inmate named Catherine Jones had made a complaint against the matron, which required investigation. Mr C. M. Williams said he wished now to say one thing to put himself right before the board. Last April he could not consent to act on the house com- mittee, but wishing to continue his visits as hitherto to the house, he asked if he would be allowed to visit the house as before, and Mr Fryer said he had a right to do so. He read the reports published in the local papers at the time to prove this, and said that on "aturday last he visited the house, when this woman told him that she had a complaint to make, when the master came up and told her she had better make it to the house committee. He (Mr Williams) said there could be no objection to her making it to him, when the master replied You are not on the house committee." (To Mr John Morgan): I don't wish you to shake your head. That will not prevent me going on. Mr John Morgan You will find something behind the shake of the head. It will take very little to prevent you visiting the house in the sneakish way you do. The Chairman said he did not think any one objected to Mr Williams visiting the house. Mr Williams said the master made an attempt to prevent him, and he explained to him that he had the permission of the board. He cautioned the I woman to tell him the truth, and he took down her statement in writing, occupying about four sheets of paper, and he thought himself quite as capable of tak- ing down evidence as the house committee, because he spent a little more time there than they did, and the time they spent there was totally inadequate to the demands. He took down the evidence, and thought it was a case which required serious investigation, if the statement made by the woman was true. Mr John James suggested that Mr C. M. Williams should be added to the house committee to investi- gate the matter. The Rev J. M. Griffiths said he should have much pleasure in seconding that. Mr C. M. Williams wished it to be clearly under- stood that he had permission to visit the house. Mr John James thought that every guardian could attend committees, which were only appointed for the convenience of the board. The Chairman read an entry in the Master's report book, stating that Catherine Jones, aged 30 years, had been insolent and refused to leave the kitchen when requested to do so by the matron. The punish- ment inflicted by the Master was that she was placed on able-bodied diet for two meals-breakfast and supper—on the 8th January, with the consent of the medical officer. The name of Mr Williams was placed on the house committee for the purpose of holding the investiga- tion.

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