The South Wales Daily Post

HYPNOTIC SUBJECTS. LETTER FROM PROFESSOR MOBRITT. Professor Marritt sends to the "Star" from tha Art G-ailerv Theatre, New a long letter, in iiich he says he cxwisiders the oiitrovi-Tsy on the geuuineness osr >therwise of f the hypnotic trances "futile." Referring to his demon^tratvoos, he says-. —" In Cardiff, the Srst town I visited after leaving th6 Royal Aquairium, I placed a subject m a six days' I trance, whom I had previously operated upon. A selsotcd committee of townsmen was formed, who watohed my subject most rigorously night and flay during the whole trance. On the awakening a number of mtedicaJ men were piesent, and they, without one exception, announced thair satisfaction as to the genume. rcss of tbe expe-rimeot, although they raised aorne axitrovei^y as to whether or not there waa some injurious effect to the subject. The result of my experiment at Cardiff ox-f-ated such atten- tion amongst tlie medical faculty that I waa asked to return there for the purpose of hypno- tising a local man, chosen by a solicitor in the iown. I accepted thn challenge- and on my return there I held tins man under my influence for slt days and five nights. This feat, sub- jected ae it waa to the severest tests, was the most occviiicing proof that I could possibly give." After an account of demonstrations in I otlæl" towns, Mir. ),Torritt continuesA.i erroneous idea. sefcms to have arisen that hypno- tism is a fiction simply because a person can train himself to certain severe tests whilst m a oon^eious without exhibiting any peree-ii- 'I tible symptoms of feeling. I am fully awao-e tha* I am liable to have fraudulent subjects present themselves to me, but I rarely fail to detect euch a subject, because immediately I Suspfeet a pwtson to be feigmrig the hypnotic sleep I have it in my power to apply such a test aa ho living ptsi-soti can stand.' Mr. Morritt then stated that }.a found out" t-he man I woo has rx-en reoeatly parading a. south London music-hall ^ith pins projecting from lue flesh He adds:— At the Royal Aqvarium I placed him in the casket,and very soon discovered him to He Mids :— At the Royal Aqvarium I placed him in the casket,and very soon discovered him to be feigning, and immediately brought him out. Under such circumstances you will not be aur- prised that I trea.t the challenge published in the 'Star' \vith contempt. But what I will do is to undertake to pay 250 if this self. acKJiowledged fraudulent subject will go through i the same ordeal as my genz-ino hypnotic subject I for the space of ten days ard nine nights, and under the same conditions." These mutual exposures(observes the "Star") are very interesting. A LADY SUBJECT SUCCESSFULLY TICKLED. A ger.tleman from a well-known West End club has been to the StarOffio« and told a cunouf tale of one of Professor Fricker's ia-dy subjects. He says:—!i I went to see Professor Fricker's lady in a trance, and, after two dcctors had examined her, f approa/hed. E tested her by some nonsensical talk, with this surprising result that she laughed outrlg-ht and got up: Professor Fricker, who the moment was absent, came in looking very much astonished. He made soiu passes, and having a.lUl tmnced I the lady he explained that b,, had cot put. a sufficiently powerful inHuence on her."

INDIAN FRONTIER WAR. RETURN OF COLONEL KELLY'S TROOPS TO GILGIT. A Reuter's telegram !tom Gairat «ays:- Amir U1 Mulk, who secured the Mehtar- ship of Chitral, by murdering the late Nizam 1:1 Mulk, and who was subsequently deposed by Dr. Robertson on account of treacherously entering into relations with the enemy during the reoent sIege oi Ohitral fort, in which lie had taken refuge, has left Chitral en. route to India under an escort oi tht; BufP.. A Router's telegram from Simla on Monday says --The troops under Colonel Kelly, which made such a brilliant march across the moun- tains to the relief of Mastuj and Chitral, are now returning to Gilgit. Tke guard to be left at Chitral will be furnished by a wing of the 4th Goorkha. Regiment.

CHINA AND JAPAN. DESERTERS TO BE BEHEADED IF CAUGHT. A Palziel ? telegram from Shanghai on Mon- day says Despite the provision of the treaty of peace securing immunity to the Chinese soldiers who deserted their post during the war. the Chinese Government has isvuei orders to behead Captain Tsai and other torpedo boat officers, if caught in China. These officers fled from Wei-Hei-Wei after the naval battle in the beginning of February. A Chinese force of 10,000 strong has been sent to Chang Hia Kwan to check Jta revolt which has broken out at that place.

ARMENIAN ATROCITIES. LIVELY MEETING AT LIVERPOOL At a meeting held in Liverpool Weeleyan Chapel on Monday night to sympathise with t<h« Armenian victims and condemn Turkish tyranny an amendment was proposed, on behalf of the M'ileitis in Liverpool, by a Mrs. Charles D. Keep, who called herself a special correspondent in Paris und New York, protesting against the imputation of cruelty and inhumanity levelled against the Sultan and hi* Ministers. This amendment, seconded by Mr. Quilliam (Liver- pool), solicitor, who has embraced Mahome- m, was finally negatived by 1 large majority. It 1-d to a s<-ene between the pro- moters and the Mopln-L; present, the closure being finally put in for, against *he Ma-homedan solicitor. I

THE NIGER TERRITORY. I FIGHTING BETWEEN TRIBES. I A Reutier's fcdtegram from Liverpool on Monday says:—The Royal mail ateaaner Cabenda has arrived from West Africa, having amongst Irer paosk-rizers from Old Calabar Captain Evaneon, who was in charge A the Niger Coast Protectorate forces duriug the fighting at Brass. Sir Claude Maodouald has arranged for the rentovaj of ail tk British troops at Brass, matters there new being quiet. At Old Calabar, it was learned that the Royal Niger Company had sent a force up the river to Ito to protect the people from the attack of a tribe beyond. In tie fighting between tho, two tr'bes some two oozen men had. been ¡';1!-t

c~ — i *• NOTES FROM THE METROPOLIS. t FII.8» OUR LONDON CORRSBFONMNTB. j LONDON, MONDAY. WRITS AND ELECTIONS. The issuing ui the writ for Croydon to-day 1 will, it. is hoped, be followed in a day or two, I possibly to-morrow, by the motion for a. new writ for West Edinburgh. It is considered ¡ that the peerlmg extravaganza has been played I at sufficient length, and, the report of the Com- mittee being available in time, it is intended to move the Edinburgh writ as soon as May 24. General Fielden's death makes the ninth vacancy in the present series of bye-elections, I and, contrary to the expectations of the Radical morning papers, I believe that the Chorley Division of Lancashire will be con- tested. The managers of the Ministerialist party are aware that the huge majority of '2,500 gained by General Fieiden in 1885 (since when there has been co contest) was an abnormal and purely personal triumph, I which will not be repeated It is, therefore, more than probable that the se<Át will be con- tested with a view of reducing the majority. General Fielden and the late Lord Stanley, then Colouei Stanley, sat together for North I La: cashire in its undivided state. After the Redistribution Act Colonel Stanley elected to sit for Blackpool and General Fielden for the Chorley Division. Since his massive majority in 1885 no Liberal candidate has dared to attack General Fielden's seat. A 'I tenth vacancy in the series of bye-elec- tions is in Inverness-shire. I presume that the Chancellor, having granted the Chiltern Hundreds to Mr. Sydney Herbert (Earl of Pembroke), will not refuse it to Dr. Mac- Gregor Indeed, the Chancellor has always avowed his readiness to accede to the j application of any member who desired to I resign his seat in the House. L'R. MACGREGOR. I Dr. MacOregor'* intention is understood to be definite and determitied. After his departure from the House, he bade farewell I to all the officials, and betook himself from the precincts of the House as does one who intends not to return. Dr. MacGregor's seat will certainly fall to the Tories. His majority was 329, and he will not offer him- self for re-election. The Tory candidate is Mr. Bailey, a popular Highland laird, who recently married Miss Nellie Bar, and who would have been returned for Burton-on-Trent, in the place of Mr. Sydney Evershed, if he could have been persuaded to desert Inver- ness-shire. Dr. MacGregor is a medical man out of practice. He used to be resident physician at a hydropathic establishment. On his marriage to a lady of personal attractions and some property he gave up medicine and tvok to politics. Since he has been in Par liament he has persistently flaunted his inde- pendence, although his election expenses for Inverness-shire were defrayed from the party war chest. It is understood that none of Dr. MacGregor's colleagues among the Highland members have hi9 pluck: they are quite unresigned and unresigning, and abide patiently whatever fate the Government bestows on their Bill next Thursdav Minis- terialists generally are so depressed and dis- mayed by the course events are taking that they declare they will not contest either Croydon or Chorley, on the ground that a general election is so near it is not worth while. Trooping THE COLOURS. Unusual interest is being taken this season in the imposing military function of trowing the colours, which will take place on the Horse Guards Parade next Saturday. There will be a great rash to see the young Afghan Prince, who, with his suite and escort, will be pre- sent. Among the Royalties, the Prince and I Princess of Wales and the Duke and Duchess of York are sure to be there. The Horse Guards has been worried out of its wits for tickets for the enclosures whence the dis- play can be most advantageously seen. So keen is the demand for tickets that even Parliament has been put on short commons, j Only a limited number can be allotted to each House. The Commons, for instance, have 300 tickets allotted for &70 members. Those who desire to attend have to make application, and the tickets will then be dis- tributed by ballot. I SHOW Picture3. I A new painter ha", come to Lonaou. His pictures are being shown in the St. George's Gallery, Grafton-street, and they were opened to the public to-day. It seems to me that they will create a profound impression. Ugo. Oat&ni is a Belgian who ha £ spent twelve I years studying and painting Nature in Aus- tralasia. Hence, his 53 picture.? hung at the St. George s are entitled "Under the Southern Cross." Catani is original, vigorous in ex- Cross." Catani is original. vigorous in ex- pression, evincing dainty subtleties of humour, with strong individua.lity and a. very beauti- ful and distinctive colouring. He seems to have caught precisely the landscape coiour- I ings of the Antipodes (which are not at all the colourings of our landscape), both when they are gay and when they are grey. His whites even are distinctive, as in the arrangement- in dullish white which repre- I sents a street boy in Melbourne in an "Australian fog." and also the brighter white of the mountain masses, snow-clad, revealed in a coach'ng point of view of the Albula I' Pass. On the other hand, his reds, purpies, and other bright colours in native dress are I fresh and distinctive. His faces are fine I studies, and a most important picture is the praying Fakir, shown separately on an easel, and worthy of its prominence. Catani, with the thoroughness of the true artistic instinct, has designed his own frames. They are all in exquisite harmony, and in some of them the humour of the artirt bubbles forth spontaneously, as it were, out of the picture. PRESS AND PUBLIC, Sir Frank Lockwood, Q.C., M.P., takesi an entirely different- view of press and public to that of Mr. Balfour. The latter, at the press dinner, it may be remembered, gave it as his opinion that success in journalism did not depend upon political popularity; that a newspaper might advocate opinions entirely antagonistic to tho,e of its constituents. Yet, from some peculiar cause or other, the public were bound to support it-—bound to endow it with advertisements, and thus help in pro pagating doctrines to which they were quite opposed. In support of this assertion, Mr Balfour might easily have given prominent examples, but. as the practical journalists in the room were in entire accord with him, there was no necessity. Sir Frank Lock- wood, at the Newspaper Press Fund dinner, thought that for a paper to advocate an un- popular creed was to court ruin, and the manner m which he laboured the point evidenced his imperfect knowledge of the subject. His own experience in journalism should have taught him differently. He cer- tainly advocated a. policy popular with bis constituents, but it quite failed to bring in the neces^ry revenue. AL FRESCO ENTERTAINMENTS. It is to be hoped that, the African Ex- hibition* at the Crystal Palace, which was opened on Saturday, and the Empire of India Exhibition, which will be thrown open to the public next week, will not meet with the same ill-fortune which is apparently attending similar entertainments. Four of such properties, I notice, and all of a good I' elaw are now for sale, and these do not I include the great show at Olympia, about which so many rumours are afloat. One of the properties to be sold is the far-famed Rosherville Gardens, so dear to the heart of the coster; another m the celebrated Swiss Gardens at Shoreham, near Brighton, with its handsomely-appointed theatre and ball- room and well laid-out grounds of nearly 80 acres. Then there are the Morecambe Summer Gardens* a.nd the Upper Welsh Harp at Hendon A genial and attractive summer should do much for this class of property, but the May outlook gives little encourage- ment for such a pnaspect. PLAIN A. E. STODDART. PLAIN A. E. STODDART. In a speech of much feeling, Mr. Stodd-ait concluded by trusting that, despite all the honours that had been conferred upon him and the eminence he had attained in t-he cricket field, the members of the Hampst'.ad Club would alwavs find him the same plain A. E. Stoddart.' The speech was made at the Cafe Monico, at which place the Hampstead Club gave a. banquet in the famous cricketer's honour. The proceedings were marked with rare enthusiasm, and it would have been difficnlt to have oolle-'ted a jollier or better known assembly. Cricketers from every county and clime were present; familiar forms oould be seen on every hand, and the stories and reminisoenoee that went the routed would make a most interesting and I unique volume. The speaking was not of a. high ord'er, but cricketers were ever more famous for deeds than words, and the event «d £ t not the left memorable jqu tÀÍli account.

PEERS AND THE HOUSE OF COMMONS. REPORT OF THE PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE. t The Press Association states that the Select Committee on Vacating of Seats, appointed originally to consider circumstances under which Lord Coleridge resigned, after succeed ing to his father's peerage, met on Monday afternoon, and agreed to adopt, without alte- ration, the draft report submitted by the chair- man (Mr. Asquith), which was accordingly on I Monday evening presented to the House. The II report sets forth that the fact of succession to a peerage of England or of Great Britain or of the United Kingdom disables the person so succeeding from beiusr elected or sitting or voting in the House of Commons; also that when a member has succeeded to a peerage entitling him to a seat in the House of Lords, end delays or refuses to apply for a, writ of summons, the Hquse of Commons is entitled, and may in the interest of the constituency, be bound to ascertain the fact of succession by such inquiry vund upon such evidence as it considers appropriate to the case. Sir Chas. I' Dilke proposed a qualification setting forth that the conclusions or the report were arrived at "with much doubt," but upon a division this was rejected by six to four, and the report was adopted.

DEATH OF GENERAL FEILDEN, M.P. The Times" on Monday announced the death of Lieutenant-general R J. Keiiden. C.M.G., M.P., for the Chorley Division of Lancashire, which occurred at ins residence, in Grosvenor-gardens, Lundon. OIl Sunday. General fielden's politi- cal career began in 1880. when he was re- turned for the old constituency of North Lan- cashire. He sat for it until 1885. when he- was returned for the newly-created Chorley e 11 e Division, an-' was re-elected in 188'j »rd 1892 He was a strong Conservative, and opposed to Home Rule. The Press Association states that Lieu- I tenant-general Fedden, M.P., who died on Sunday at his residence m London, had been in ill-health sinc-e Christmas, but. at no time was his indisposition looked upon as serious. On Saturday evening he appeared to be not so well, but his family had no idna that death was so near- at hand, and it was not until Sunday morning that he jrrew rapidly worse, and expired almost suddenly. The immediate cause of the members dealdi is understood to be he-art disease. The funeral will take place near Wit ton Park. Blackburn, probably on Saturday or "Monday next. General Kedoen had not' attended the House of Commons for some time, having paired with -N-ir. James Wiliarnson, the member for Lancaster.

THE LIBERATOR CRASH. APPLICATION AT CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT. At the Central Criminal Court, London, on Monday, before the Recorder, Mr. Horace A very. who. with Mr. Chas. Mathews, appears for the prosecution in the case of Messrs, Brock, Dibley, Theobald, Major Wright, and Mr. Coldwells, M.P., applied that the trial might be postponed until next sessions, and that the recognisances of the witnesses should be enlarged until then. Mr. Grain, on behalf of Wright, said no objection was made to the application provided it was understood that the Crown would apply for a writ of certiorari to remove any bill found against the defendants to remove any bill found against the defendants to the High Court. The Recorder granted the application.

THE LABOUR PAHTY. MANIFESTO TO THE SOCIALISTS. The Central News says :-A manifesto has been issued by the Independent Labour Party addressed to the Socialists of all countries, end signed by Messrs. Keir Hardie, Tom Mann, John Lister, and others The manifesto state? that I the cause of Socialism in the British Isles is progressing rapidly, and that society is power- less to cope with its own inherent eviis. The near triumph of the cause is evidenced by the result of the elections in Belgium. The docu- ment, farther declares that the sympathies of the party go out with fervour to the Nihilists of Russia and the Revolutionists in Spain.

THE HEALTH OF LORD ROSEBERY. The Enchantre.-s, with Lord Roeebery and Lord Spencer on board. arrived at Ports- mtouth early on Monday morning. Their loi'dsnips remained 011 the yacht until 9.30, when they landed and entered a. saloon car- I riage, which had been run into the dockyard, and which was sub, attached to the I 9.40 express# for The Premier I 1..okt-d considerably better than when he em- barked upon bis trip nine days ago. Lord Kosebtrv on reaching London drove to Dowmng- street alone, and I>ord Spencer, with his pri- street alone, and I-ord Spencer, with his pri- vate secretary, drove to the Admiralty.

THE NICARAGUAN DIFFI- CULTY, AMERICAN ADMIRAL COMPUL- I SORILY RETIRED. A. Reuter's telegram from NeM* York on Mon- da y says :—The United States Navy Board this afternoon eompulsorily retired Admiral Meade with a reprimand., endorsed by President Cleve- land, on account of his recent publicly- expressed complaint of the inactivity imposed ¡ upon his squadron when the British landed at Corintw.

OUTBREAK rTMEXICO. MASSACRE OF A SURVEY PARTY. A Central Newri telegram from New York says;—A dispatch from Mexico >,rive» currency to the report that the natives have revolted, and, under an American leader, have attacked seme surveyors between Calve and Varvagama, in the State of Chihuahua. They killed twenty of the surveyors' party. and afterwards turned iijiol) the troops who were pursuing them, and effectually routed them, liftv I.;oiti.Qr killed or wounded. Reinforcements are already an route fur the soi-ne of the. disturbances.

ILLNESS OF A WELSH MILI- TARY OFFICER Colonel Harrison, commanding the 4th South I Wales Borderers was sensed with a. paralytic I stroke at Welshpool- snd lies in a critical con- ditioB.

DEATH OF THE REV. TUDNO JONES. A CONSPICUOUS WELSH BARD AND LITTERATEUR. Welsh literati, and, indeed, Welshmen of all creeds and classes, will learn with sincere regret of the death of the Rev T. Tudno Jones, the well-known burd and eisteddfodwr. The and event occurred at Llandudno last Saturday, where the rev. gentleman had fone some time ago to recruit- his health. which had been in a delicate state for some years. Mr. Jones was native of Llandudno, ai> his bardic appellation implies, and it was there he received Ins early education. At early age he developed a taste for Welsh literature and an unusual ability for Welsh verse. When he was just in Ins teens he had secured several prizes at. local ei?teddfodau, and the promise of his early days was amply fulfilled in his more mature years. His first serious undertaking1 in life was the editorship of a Welsh weekly—"Llais y Wlad" —published a.t Bangor, a task which he per- formed with considerable ability. Whilst residing at Bang-or he came under the notice of the late Dean Edwards, who was instrumental in inducing' him to undertake a. course of educa- tion preparatory to Holy Orders. With this object in view, he studied for some time with the Rev. J. Smith, of Rhosybol. Anglesey, and subsequently passed throusrh a course at St. Bees. His first curacy was St. David's Welsh Church, Liverpool, from which he ri inoved to takn charge of Llanhlodwl:'l! parish, near Oswestry. Subsequently he was licensed to the curacy of Llanrwst, a post he resigned a couple of years ago, owing it, ill-health. On leaving he was the recipient of an illuminated address and a. purse containing a hvr.dred guineas. Though he worked welt during his brief clerical career, it is not as a clergyman, but as a Welsh litterateur and Eoet, that "Tudno" will be longest remembered. le was one of the most successful of Welsh bards in recent times, and his prize composi- tions alone would make a good-sized volume. lie wart a dangerous competitor, for he always wrote with great ciue and pattMKM. which gave his composition a finished appearance. His cisteddfodre record is quite a brilliant one. In 1864—when in his eighteenth year—he took the prize for the pryudesv at. the Conway National Eisteddfod, won the chair at Bethesda in 1869, at the Gordovigion (Liverpool) Eis- teddfod the following year, and at Penygroes in 1872. In 1875 he took the chair prize at the Pwllheli National Eisteddfod, and at the Carnarvon Nia*iioeial Lis ted d tod in 1877 he won the prize for a.n ode to Y Gadair JJdu." In 1888 he was the chaired bard of the W rex ham National Eisteddfod for an awdl on "Peroriaeth and at the tiangor National Eis- teddfod on "Y LIafurwr. On Wie latter occasion he was invested by the Queen of Roumania, His services as adjudicator were in great requisition. Latterly, owing to ill- health, he wrote but. litre Few, however, t-hought that the end was so near. Last week, however, hi!- disease took a. sudden turn for the worse, and he was removed to hospital. Mr..Jonee was married early in life to a Miss Rowlands, an Anglesey lady and sister of Professor Rowlands r'Dewi Mon ), of Brecon Memorial College.

SHIPPING DISASTERS. THE LOSS OF A CARDIFF VESSEL. Below we give the list of the crew of the steamer Sully, belonging to Messrs. Morel Bros, Cardiff, which., as reported in our columns on Monday, was sunk after collision with the Dutch mail steamer Conrad, off Carthagena. The whole of the crew were saved, with the excep- tion of the master (Captain Hinton) and a boy named C. Eggctt. The Sully, we may mention, sailed from Swansea on Saturday week with a cargo of coal and fuel for Marseilles. The following is the list of the crew :— following is the list of the crew :— I W. J. Hinton captain, Cardiff. I E. Greenwood, mate, London. P. J. Donovan, second-mate, Reckferry. James Ball, carpenter, Swansea. W. J. Taylor, steward, Bristol. E. W Julien, cook. South Shields. G. Fnllhaos, A.B., Sweden. George Antonio, A.B.. Syra. C. Scandclo, A.B Greece. Alex George, A.B., Greece. John Sevedine, A.B $yra. D. Dayies, chief engineer Cardigan. D. T. Davies, second engineer, Nea.th. T. R. Williams, third engineer, St. Dogmell's. E. Shilling, donkeyman, Kent. J Stenner, fireman, Sierra Leone. Vincenza Bices.so, fireman, Italy. Salio Oaman, fireman, Constantinople. Anesti Joani, fireman, Constantinople. Nathan Lewis, fkemsr,, Llansarrlet. C- Eggett. atsbistant steward, Catiord. All the A B.'s and firemen came from Cardiff. THE DAMAGE TO THE CONRAD. A Lloyd's telegram from Carthagena sa,ys .— The Dutch mail steamer Conrad, previously reported put in damaged after collision, states that her bow and both sides were severely damaged, but the pert bow is the worst. The stem is twisted. Fifty-two balesi of tobacco and 33 bales of kapok in the fore compartment were under water. The remainder of the cargo is intact. LOSS OF A BARQUE AND SIX LIVES. The Press Association Dover correspondent telegraphs :—During a violent gale on Sunday night the Norwegian barque Ceylon was wrecked near the Goodwin gvxid- Six of the crew were lost, !?ud four were picked up on Monday morning clinging to the wreckage. The survivors, who were greatly exhausted, were larded at Dover. The weather in the Channel is gtill very sev.re. A Lloyd a telegr am state3 that the Ceylon was bound from Dram to idverpool with a cargo of flooring boards. She struck on Has borough Sands at 3.30 p.m. on Saturday, and broke in halves. Four hands were picked up by fhe steamer Newcastle, which ianded them at Dover. The remainder of the crew were left ou board of the Ceylon, which floated to .sea. Captain Hangan, of the Ceylon, in an inter- view with the Press Association representa- tive on Monday afternoon, said that tnere was no hope for the safety of the six missing men, as it world have been impossible for any vessel to get near enough to take iliem oil. The Ceylon went to pieces when she struck, and, all boats being lost the oiirv;\ors iafdied them- selves to a piece of wreckage, and were picked up by the ";team«r Newcastle, of Newcastle, TURKISH VESSEL LOST. A Renter's telegram from Jyddah on Monday -The Turkish esael filled with Mahom- medau pilgrims to Mecca, which went ashore on a -reef 50 miles north of this place, broke in two last night, and is a total wreck. As previously stated no lives were lost. SHIPWRECKED MARINERS LANDED. There were l uided on Monday at Liverpool nine of the crew of the steamer Alne Holme, of Maryport, whidn sank '.ft-er collision with the sit-amer Ambro, off Burriana, while on a voyage from Vcbncia for Liverrxiol and Man- chester, with fruit. The African Company's steamer Monrovia also lauded on Monday at Liverpool the crew of eight met-, of the Norwegian brig Beta, which sprang a. leak and was abandoned while boujud from L agon a for Falmouth, with logwood. EIGHTY VESSELS DAMAGED BY THE GALE. The Central News Grimsby correspondent telegri ~hs that eighty vessels, chiefly fishing smacks, jave arrived damaged by the gale. Four lives hffcre been lost, all fishermen. SCHOONER AND CREW LOST. Whilst the steam trawler Rio was towing a distressed Russian schooner up the Humber on Monday the schooner suddenly sank. Nothing could be seen of any of the crew, and it is sup- posed they have perished. MINOR CASUALTIES. The schooner Margareta. from Fowet for St. Petersburg, has beers towed into Dover damaged through collision nith the steamer Kingsland off Beaohy Head. The Kingsland has pro- ceeded for Barry, apparently undamaged. Lloyd's agent at Malta telegraphs that the steamer Dôra. Foster, previously reported beached, is now afloat. Leak temporarily stopped. Must dock, The Swedish schooner Ida Sofia, coal laden, was picked up derelict, partiy dismasted. last Friday and towed into Hull on Monday. There are nO tidings of the crew. The Russian schooner Michael, from Bo'neas for Riga, with coal, foundered near Spurn Head on Sunday night whilst in tow The mate, who is supposed to be the only survivor, was picked up and landed at Hull,

THE COAL TRADE. MEETING OF SCOTCH MINERS, The Scotch miner* met privately at Glasgow on Monday to decide whether they should strilte against the riuing wages. Having re> gard to the attitude of the British Federa- tion, the feeling among the delegates who have been interviewed is that submission to the masters' terms is inevitable. The Press Association Glasgow correspon- dent, telegraphing later, states that the minfts have agreed to delay taking action, without, however, withdrawing then- claim to 6d ad- vance upon the present reduced rates.

The Central News sava that Mr. Gladstone, who is at present at Hawarden, intends, with Mrs. Gladstone, to accept Sir Donald Currie's invitation to a crui&e in the mail steamer Tantallyn Castle, leaving London on Wednes- dav. the 12th of June, to visit Hamburg and Kiel on the occasion of the opening ef the Baitio Carul,

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SHIPPING NEWS. SIGNALLED OFF THE LIZ APT) I May 18. Passed Must: Seafarer. from iacoma for Antwerp • steamers August Korff from New York for Dover; Ibis, of Cerk Sir Be via, of Southampton Rutland, of Liverpool; .Blanche (presumed;, of Bristol; Crago- of New- castle1; Angebi, of Hamburg; British' Empir rrom Newport -News for Hamburg, with a list o port; tug Red Rose, of Cardiff. P(i West: Olga, of Hamburg Innerwick, of Picton, N.S. steamers Clara, of Glasgow Eastbam, of New- Thorntondale, of Scarborough; Hafursfjord, of Stavanger Bala, of Cardiff lelegraphic, of Liverpool; Whitburn, of Sunderland: Parkfield. Moss Rose and County of i«rk, last three of Liverpool; James Sp»ir ano Anthony Radcliffe, of Cardiff; Aranmore, of C-lasirow. City of Dortmund Rnd Ciry of Belfast, both of Dublin; Sibun, Petrel. Kaabek, It T of London; Sum Lancaster, of Cardiff • Moorhen and Whisnbrel. of Cork.— lIr ^CRom V Wjather sh°wery, sea, smooth oar., /jy 80, steady. SI^^AL^EI) OFF THE MUMBLES HEAD. w*atlier clc "'f' ajld variable; S Sh.i »find Sny;,sea' 3n>ooth.-Parsed Menantfc PJ iJlver^01: steamers Swansea of <^ to1 ?enia' Valencia Swansea, of Swansea: her Majaity's vacht Haw^. Passed Wexi. Steamers WiJd Knse 0f Briatol; Warrenpoint, SWANSEA.—A RRITALS lf ir NORTH DOCK. May 18 —Sir Wm. Alui^worth, 35, At*rthaw iume- fS'Z*, Qam,Pt- «• ns- Dublin, nil. HW 42 Aterthaw. lime««es. «M*Hri^TE|diti' S' ,1,123, WeyiflPUtta. nil. Derby, so, HnStc-i, barley. Congo, s, 1,334, Bristol, nil Hoetrevir 8, SO, Bantiy, ail. Elizabeth D»vie»s, 28, Cardiff, nil. Cbaa. VValker, 44, Wexford, nil. Caniukl uastie I., 64, Puu^aivon, nii. Cnmel. s, 226, feel- fast, nil- May 20.—Sunlight, a, 245, Liverpool, general. OUrag len, 98f Rouen, nil. Otocili^, <-u, ioughal, ml. SOUTH DOCK. May 18.—Wild Ruse, 3, 76, Dublin, nil. Tat, s /is •rOOte, Ti!]. MI\Y 19.-Emma. Alice, 67, Dmgle, nil. Collier, a. r, erW0l, t-enerttl. Eleanor, s, 272. Dieppe, nil, •xlexamtra, n s, 96, «e«, excursion. i.ay 20. — I'it'i, 157, llfiacombe, nil. w prince OF m ales DOCK. M»v 18—Teal, 9, 77, Newport, tin. i'~1 o,«Wn1,,er" "• Gwloforte. calamine. ? &.™ ?«■ •• ■* H*°"r5' SAILINGS w io .NORTH DOCK. rr-n r a', sP'0 P.1"? (Scilly), Liaii'lul&ig. Esmeralda ?,tocKt'o!m' Metthvr, s (Everett), Bristol. /•1 r •" 9 Phail), (.rlenarm, Talbot a (COX), 1'irjnvoL Hup*, » (HUUDU tendon. St. p '"if?' u Belfast. L"Ouie Anagtasie (Le K.,„e<]ew. Mortaigne. Lord fioilo (OJancv), Ply- mouth Good Hope (Burnett), Staokjiolp." Kliea Ov.ene (LioydJ. C'yrdi^ari. May Franoto (Edward). Douglas. Pioneer Oelscn), Dublin. =- SOUTH DOCK. May 18-Amelia and June (Addigrn), ourUurch. livr*' (Hwan). Mistley. gt, Vincent. s (CHlbert) New- port,. May 19 Fttt, a (Kerr), Manchester. Saltrr.m (AnD. 1itrori^), Yarmouth. Gffif Gray, » (Stewart), Rouen, plectra, • (Walter#), IVouville. Emm-. tUnndenen), Ln-Tieu-unpron: "A'Uxandrj, p a (Owww), se*. May 20.—Ariel (Tyrrell), Dublin X, orv ™TNCK 0F WALES DOCK. V ,ti Ma-ruir. s (Forrest), Baloun. Ournarvi-n- «hire (Hughes), San Francisco. Princess Alexandra, a (Morrow), .>t Petersburg. May IS.-Wells (Sty, » (Savage), New York. Puluia, s (1 nnel), Montreal. Teal, » (Thorna-a), Cardiff. ENTERED OUTWAl;DS.-Mav 20. ^Fmn.^ R^Haiice, B, KoMnsgn,'?,458. Jeffrey Quimper, Charlotte, F. L? v>viiic-, 48, Teff-ev* & Co, Yata.). V A., F. Le PodPf. )39, .Teffrevs & Co. taen, Helgoland, Uer. Kroegei-. 295. Burgw- S Cc. Hamburg, City < f Oporto. J i, if ode, 533, Bui*e*s St. iftdo. Eleanor. B. Fisher, 272, Harries Bron, I Anccju, Coritfo, B. Cook, 1,335, Rutherford « Co. I New York, Menantic, B. Mann, 1,934, TirreT & Feikl CLEAKED—May 20. St. M'do, Eleanor, R, 700 -?<al San Franoisco. Cape York, B. 3.220 coal Qvimper, Charlotte, F, 190 coal IMPORTS.- May 20. Hamburg, Helgoland, 601 potatoes and 350 ptclages sugar, B,irg," & Co. • 94 casta zinc R hes, Vivian Son; gpneritl cargo, DiHwyn & Co. C'y.rlofn'-te, Sam Weller, 2,056 ton a zinc ore. tri-ian und Son" IMPORTS COASTWISE.—May 20. AlserthaW, Sir \Ym. Moleswortn, 65 tons !ime?tone. New C'lt Company C'onakilty, Penguin, 62 tons oøts. Weaver Co. Bristol, Derby, 9(; tens barley, Cardiff Milling Co. Abertlww, Honor 74 tons lJnlt etone. SilliMan Lime Companv Bangor, T'leehvins;, 64 tons elates, Ellis, Partridge FXPORTS OOASTWlf-E. —May 2D Belfast. Carrick Castle, -330 coal. Norton & Co. W-urrenpoint, Wild Rose, s, 260 o«Xil, G. Tboma" I Newiy, Rcttrevor, 3, 230 coal, Vivian & Sons OartV.gen, Elizabeth Da vies, 43 coa! S. & J. Hill M»fenester, Fa!, 3, general, Arnati & Harrison London. Carpal, s, 40 coal, R. Hodgtna London. Carpal, i. 40 coal, R. Hodgtna Lccdon, Boatnn. q. 1.150 coal, dwaen-cae-Gurwen C'linpany: bQ coal, J. Wood <fe Co. Portrusli. Rboda, 180 roa), Ystradgynlias & Swan- sea Colliery Company

I THADE KEPOKTS. SWANSEA. SWANSEA, Saturday. The trade of the harbour appear* to have entered upon one of thow* periods of progress which from tune to time ha1.- followed deprei- sicKi. The exports during the pad w«'K liav« been most satisfactory, and t-n- whole trade comptre# favourably with tii« previous and corresponding weeks, the increase over the latter being 14,000 tons. The ship- ments of are largely above the average, and a fair business has been don*, in patent fu-el. The entries of shipping in baliaet show a considerable excess compared with the corresponding week, and oomprise many vessels of the highest clas&, the largest being the Osborne, 2,986 tons net, to load for San Francisco. In the tin-plate and general ex- port tpde extraordinary activity has been displayed, the shipments almost reaching the highest record in the busiest periods known in the trade, and, notwithstanding that the receipts from the works were above the usual quantity, stock* at the docks show a reduc- tion on the week of no less than 66.000 boxes. A better inquiry is reported, but, notwithstanding that tin a.ud iron are advan- cing, to improvement has taken place in prices of tin-plates. The following vessels are er- peot-ed to load next week—Men an tic and Chicago City for New York, Michigan for Baltimore, Maine for Philadelphia. Dalinally tor Mobile, Mensnon for Montreal, and five steamers for the Con- tinent. The impvrte amount to 8,539 tana, ex- ports 54,624 tons, mid total trade 05.163 tOOii, compared with 51,208 tons the previous week aud 49,119 tons the corresponding wef,-k. The shipments of coal were 37,469 tous, patent fuel 5.200 tons, and tin-plates and general goods 11.955 tons, the latter including 320 tone for France, 230 for Portugal, 200 tons for Germany, 200 tons for St. Petersburg, 1,020 tons for Italy, 5,900 tons for tiatoum and Odessa, 500 tons for Montreal, 2,625 tons for the United .State*, and 960 tons for home ports, J The shipment of tin-pistes amount- to li £ ,yil boxes, and receipts from work" 63.221 boxt-g. Stocks in the dock w-arehfcyiKw aridt Vtms j 170,981 boxes, compared with 236,671 boxe- 1 this day week and 285.7S2! boxes this day last year. j Imports.—Tin-plates 690 ton«, iron 1,500, copper ore 160, lead ore 100, blende ore 117. calamine 770, Zfuic dross 30. pitch 310, build- ing material 4-26, gypsum 48, manure 100, pit- wood 1,552, fire o.a.y 220, strain 605, potatoes, 250, sundries 1,361. Expo,-ta -CoFI: France 7,393 tons, Pbrtu- (Tcil 375. Sweden 450, Ku*sia 1.150. C-ernuany 1,750, Italy 7,640, Auetria 400, Tunis 1,450. Brazil 820, San Francisco b.800. Montreal 600, "United States 2.431. home ports b,210 i'atent fuel: France 490, Italy 2,3u0. Austria 2,260. Tunis 150. tos and general goods II,955 tons.

VERNAL VISITATION AT LLANDAFF. I On Monday the Arohdeacon of Liandaff (the Yen. John Gri<Btb!. BD.) held his TernatvifitattOb at the cathedral. A large numbet- of churchwardens attended, made th* usual declaration, and paid the feed. i

LLANDUDNO EISTB^f0^ EXTRAORDINARY PROTEST 13 1; A I'D. -1.3' ti' Our Rhyl correspinilent tp'tttk'-3,I well-known bard. "Uwiiym t'owl} I ception to the proclamation of the ei- | be held at Lianduduo next year, an | the following oircuhu :—The tT the World1' O .Tesu*, rePJ"e:rSf I Be it known to al! the ioval baru-' 0 j„g to | to all vvhon- it may concern, that, 0 V* glaring irregularities and artful iu» J Kt posed to be initiateu, the authority* •] and Gorsedd in entirely deba-rred designated Llanrlodno PhX.'ddfod « nri^% I there will not be any hotiour to k- It-ttevel. r,-J- I' attac-hed to it, n-> mutter v->'hateve^ rei, otherwise said or done, until /erbff in larly constituted and declared to wnfirmat-ion with the establi^i"5, pfivilp^ awarding to the warranted rite* 's;' of the bard? of the Princ:oaIity 01 ,A and ull !?oo<bia-3.—'(xWIE^ M Chief Bard." ■ 1 -1 A'Î

DEATH OF A FAKMBI" CA HMA HTH EN. A POST-MOETEM ORDE^13 11tt Mr. David Thomas, farmer, of marthen, died under such sudden c,1,0J,ejr on Sunday morning that the ca g, ?°<"i Buckley Roderick. Llaneily" has ord mortem examination it' tlie body Not. however, that there are any^ ■«>«> foul play. Deceased was at <-&r jjyeP'r?: Saturday, and returned home abo ffgpt In the evenir-ff, abont eight o'cipcre t the Star Inn, Liam.un»or. and left tn«^ quarter-past ten in company witb lllgn young lad of fourteen. Two I went with him to Danrailt. Peceasc^i, oDJe, j took more whisky when he reached f I fell asleep in a chair. A servant Ztif tji a couch. He fell from the coach on a]jt In that position he was seen by a- se j about eleven o'clock. He. howev jsja*' u{ think there was anything wrong ti and went oft' to sleep himself. j three o'clock in the morning, he P1 ^.ci. tii, rouse his master, and found he w'3? jjj doctor was sent for, but he c 1,^14 cause of death. An itiqnest will be (Tuesday).

EXTK A O K DIN A H DISCOVERY AT flf Our Bhyl correspondent te'egraphs^ijfst^, Monday moriiins' a Mr. G. Holland, j while walking up the beach at A'- ft blue pickle buttle, well corked, a" ^e. apparently been washed up by the «•«<?» r< j smashed it to pieces, and found in?1 0. paper, on which was written the in pencil -—Our ship has gone (io,v le. I" Ayr. fourteen hands Mary oi ,te oV Knighten, captain. There was no -j,9 and whether it is a ho-ix or not ret proved.

At the Yatrad Police-couvt on Mon ± the Stipendiary, Mr. Ignatius Jon full berch of justioes), Mary A» ^ct) married woman, residing f t Cy j charged with obtaininsr two Hft0" A> I 10s., from Mr. Ree.s Bevari, jfwellfl > ij-jje street, Poitb, under false pretences. toner gave a wroris najne and adare^pfiS was now sentenced to tuurteeu days ^0 meni.

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WELSH CHURCH. I THE DISESTABLISHMENT I BILL IN COMMITTEE. I DEMAND FOR A NATIONAL II COUNCIL. In the House of Commons on Monday I night, the House having gone into Committee I on the Established Church (Wales) bill, the consideration of Clause 2, which dea.lt, withi ecclesiastical corporations ;^u«i biahor.v, was proceeded with. Mr. DODD (L., Essex, Maldon) moved to add words providing that no bishop, pr iest, or deacon of the diuroh in VVaies should, by reason of his ecclesiastical >>omci,.u, or of his being a bishop, or priest, or deacon, be dis- qualified from, or liable to any penalty for being a bishop, or priest, or deacon, be dis- qualified from, or liable to any penalty for sitting or voting in the house of Commons, provided that he held no benefcee or ecclesias- tical preferment 111 England. His object, ho I said, was to remove a disability which would otherwise attach to the clergy of the Disestab- lished Church. After a. brief discussion the amendment was withdrawn. Mr. HAN BURY (C., Preston) proposed to substitute the date oi juis^siablishment tor that of the passing of the Act as thv Uire when the c'ause should come into operation, -t, as he understood bishops appointed alter [he passing of the Act would not even during the time that the Churoh remained tstablished be entitled to any title or precedence-. Mr. ASQUITH (Home Secretary) said the provision was taken from the Irish Church Act. aud he thought the Government had acted wisely in adopting it. They were dealing with vested interests, and it was only a queetion of what was a ccmenient dividing line. The amendment waa negatived without a di, ision. Mr. JEBB (C., Cambridge University) had an amendment to move which he described SM a very simple one. The clause provided that every person who at the time cf the passing of the Act was a. bishop, dean, or archdeacon should, during his life enjoy the same title and precedence as if ti»•=* Act had not parsed, and what he proposed was that thy provision should extend to canons. Mr. ASQUITH was willing 4j0 accept an amendment of which Sir R. Webster (C., Isle of Wighti had given notice, which was to add the word? "or holder of any ecclesiastical office Sir R. Webster desired that the word "cajioa" should be insei+ed. -Nix,. ASQUITH raising no objection, 'he amendment was agreed to, and the ,Alprds mentioned by the Home Secretary were also introduced. Sir J. GORST (C., Cambridge University) proposed the omission of the third sub-section. which provided that writs and summons should be issued to bishops net. disqualified by this enactment from sitting in the House of Lord-, as if the bishops so disqualified had vacated their seats. Mr. ASQUITH said the sub-section was put in so that the cumber of representatives of the Church in the House of Lords should not be diminished, but it was not a provision to which )' a provl' the Government attached any importance, and they would not object to its omission. Mr. GIBSON BOWLES (C., Kintrs Lvnn) protested against the off-hand manner in which the Home Secretary treated the master. Sir R. WEBSTER, was entirely against the withdrawal of the subsection, because, as he understood, the result would be to reduce by four -the number of representatives of the Church of England in the House of Lords. Sir J. GORST thought that all doubt wo ild be removed if. for the sub-section as it stood, the words were substituted "at the date of Disestablishment trie sees of the Church in Wales shall be deemed to be avoided. Mr. ASQUITH would view with complete ecvanimity the reduction of the number of bishops in the House of Lards, but the objt ct of the Government in putting in the sub-section was to leave the Church of England, -A,, far as possible, in the same position as they found it. Sir MICHAEL HICKS-BEACH understood that the omission of the sub-section was moved vnder the impression that it was Mnnecessp.ty. but. after the explanation that had b-en given, he hoped that it would be allowed to sttma. 'o A division was, however, challenged by the Welsh members, and the numbers were: For the sub-section 297 Against 161 Majority 136 -1 The clause was then ordered to stand part of I the Bill. Mr. LLOYD-GEORGE (L., Carnarvon), I' an Clause 3, page 2, line 6, moved an amendment to leave out "Welsh Commis- sioners" and insert "council," an amendment I which he hoped would receive the favourable consideration of the Home Secretary. At the present moment the Church funds were divided into two parts—one was what was called the national fund and the other the public fund. So far as the national fund was concerned it would, in accordance with Clause 9 of the Bill, be administered by the Commissioners. So far as the public fund, which was the larger fund of the two, was which was the larger fund of the two, was concerned, it would tie administered by the countv councils in accordance with the schemes which they might prepare, but which would have to meet with the approval of the Com- missioners. He ventured to point out to the Committee that as regarded both of these funds the Commissioners would have the most absolute power. They would initiate most absolute power. They would initiate the schemes with regard to the national fund, and they would have the power of veto neon the schemes provided by the county council. He did not think that altogether desirable. 'I Tie Commissioners were appointed by the central Government; the Commissioners it was proposed to appoint were gentlempn in whom he had every con- fidence. tbough it was rather remarkable that thtre was only one who was a Welshman, and not one who was a Nonconformist. He would not. at present pass any criticisms upon the CommMsioners. but he did desire the Com- mittee to bear 111 mmd that trieir commis- sioners for all time wouid have the most complete control over the management and administration of these funds. Supposing however, these Commissioners were gentle- men in whom the Welsh people had every confidence. A vacancy might well occur and be filled up by a gentleman who was nor in sympathv with the views of th<? majority of the Welsh people. Vacancies might be filled up by a Tory Government in such a way as to convert a Liberal Commission into a. Tory Commission. Or, again, suppose the Welsh people m the future became converted to Conservative principles? (Laughter and Opposition "Hear, ihear.') They might I then have a Liberal Commission while they tfiem.seWen were Conservatives- The funds to be dealt with were, according to the main principle of the Bill, the property of the Welsh people, and yet rhey might be I controlled by a number of gentlemen utterly out of sympathy with the people to whom the funds belonged. That, he thought, was not a desirable, state of things. He would further point out that these Commissioners were not responsible to public opmion, and they were not subject to Parliamentary control. Their actions could not be called into question. Jt might possibly happen that a. county council submittal a scheme to the Commissioner s which tha latter, for reasons of their own, mjg-ht reject or modify in essential particulars. These ob- jections might be on questions of education and so forth, or they might object nn purely poli- tical grounds, and Parliament could not inter- fere. Their action could only be criticised in a very ineffectual way. That wa.s not at all desirable in the interests of the people of Wales, for whoee benefit this Bill was designed. He did not propose by the amendment to dispense with th8 Commissioners altogether. He thought the Commissioners ought to exist, but for purely judicial purposes. For instance, the Com- missioners were to ascertain as between fhe Church and the councils what property belonged to the Church and what property could properly be termed private benefactions. He did not suggest that an elected body should decide ques- tions of that character. If the word "Commis- sioners" was eliminated in Clause 3 ic- would support the retention of the word in the iifih and certain other clauses were the fuuctiona of the Commissioners weTe purely judicial. What he proposed was simply that, so far as the ad- ministration of the funds he had named vis concerned, it should be in the hands of a u eleote dbody, who would be responsible to the Welch county councils. He did uot Ih-rik :1 taecessary at, that moment to enter into the question of the machinery which should be set I up. but he might suggest to the rijjrit hon. gentleman that it would involve no funda- mental alterations in the whole machinery of 'I the Bill. The right hon. gentleman himspif, pro- posed by Clause 9 that the administration cf two-thirds of the Nationa.1 Fund should be entrusted to a. joint committee of the county I councils of Wales and Montnouih. That was, the Commissioners might, if they thought proper, call such a body into existence, and ail he proposed was that, instead of being left to the discretion of the Commissioners, Parliament should, at the outset, call such a body into exis- tence. He did not think the right hou. gentle- man could possibly object to a schema of tlM3 I kind. So far as the functions of the Gjmmia- sion^ers were judicial, he did not propose to interfere with them, but where they urur. y in- I volved a. mere matter of management of the ftrods ih- thought they aught solely be left to a joint committee of the county councils. Mr. ASQUITH regretted that it was not possible for him to accept the amendment. The hon. member bad not indicated in such detaib ae satisfied him how much of the functions of the CtHMniasMXKfs should be transferred to the joint. QOTtfgu'ttww and how muoh Uie Consyni*- It' I sionesr tverj to retain. But. after all, that did not go to the i»xr» of the matter. In the view of the Government it- was absolutely essential for the carrying out of thf scheme chat they should have a body to carry out few great operation of Disestablishoient and Disendow- ment, and nine-tenths of whoea functions he ) did not hesitate to say would be administrative I and judicial, who would lie absolutely above I suspicion of being moved by sectional or party interests or considerations. Such a body was essential if they were to carry out this work, I arousing as it did keenes; susceptibilities, doing a certain amount of necessary violence to feel- I ings which they all respected, and involving the arrangesmjiite of most complicated questions of detail, both in finance and administration. Such a !>ody should consist of persons who were not dependent upon elections, and who could maintain a position of absolute independence and authority upon all questions with whioh they had to deal. They had created such a 'I body by this Bill. He should regard the acceptance of the amendment as fatal to the further progress of the Bill. Mr. LLCY D-GEOB GE said that what he complained of was that the Commissioner3 might I rejoct a scheme prepared by a county council, and there would be no kind of appeal. Unless I the Home Secretary was prepared to suggest seme remedy for tha.t state of things lie would ac'here to his amend merit, whatever the conse- I cuences misrht he. Sir G. OSBORNi-; MORGAN (L., Denbigh) said in principle there was a "Teat deal to be said for his hon. friend's amendment. {Derisive eiders from the Opposition.) He should him- I' self like to see these great powers entrusted to a representative authority, (Hear, hear.) But ha was not going to assist in wrecking the Bill for the sake of his hon. friend's amendment. ■ Cheers and laughter.) In view of the fact that I the Home Secretary would regard the accep- tance of the amendment as fatal to the Bill, he would not-let hon. members opposite jeer as I they like—help to wreck the Bill. (Ironical cheers and laughter.) He wat- obliged to hon. number?, for showing their hand—" 'Will you walk into my parlour?' said fhe spider to the I tiy." (laughter.) Hon, members opposite were I going to fasten upon the amendment of his hon. I friend so far as it meant, the omission of the Commissioners, and, having struck those words cut, their assistance would go no further in tarrying out his hon. friend's object. Hon. members desired to do by time what they could I not do by vote, and hoped to defer the end in view. He hoped his hon. friend would be satis- Red with his protest, for if he carried his amendment to a division he and, he hoped, his Welsh colleagues would vote against it— hear) —not en the ground of disapproval of the amendment-(ironical cheers.but because w, carry It would destroy what he had always acknowledged as a wise and statesmaalike measure. Sir M. HTCKS-BPiACH (C., Bristol) believed that at a, of Welsh members, over which the last speaker presided, this amendment was considered, and that it was unanimously resolved to support it. (Laughter.) Sir G. OSBORNE MORGAN: I said then, as I have now said, that I would not wreck the Bill for it. Sir M. HICKS-BEACH said the Opposition would view the wrecking of the Bill with no alarm, and, so far frem considering that the property should be transferred to the Com- mission proposed by the Government, they thought it should be left to the Churoh. Body, and on that ground he should support the omission of those words. (Hear, hear.) The Commission could not cost less than £7,000\ year, and the funds to be deslt with would not amount to more than £ 157,000. He contended that rhe-re was no necessity for the creation of this nrw and expensive machinery to perform the judicial and administrative functions pro- vided by the Bill. From tho judical decisions of the Commissioners there was to be an appeal to the .ludiciaa Committee of the Privy Council, arid he would suggest that it would better to leave the whole matter to the courts of law and the Ecclesiastical Ccnnnuywon. (ilear, hear.) 'n Mr. HERBERT LEWIS (L., Flint) earnestly appealed to the Home Secretary that be woaid, before the ninth clause was reached, re-consider this question, and give Welsh members some hope that in relation to Welsh schemes Welsh opinion should have a. controlling voice, and that they would not be subjected to that con- tinual rejection of proposals such as had been I' experienced in the last two sessions in the House of Lerds. Mr. ASQUITH did not think the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council or the Eccle- siastical Commission would be regarded as a satisfactory tribunal for administering the fund. The rig-ht lion, gentleman hailed the amendment with pleasuro and blessed ii, but there was between him end the mover no identity of I cpinion, and there was an avowed difference of 1 I' object between them. (Hear, hear.) When thev came to the ninth clause he should be will- ing to consider any proposal for preventing the CoiTiuiis.s'on from rejecting en bloc, and without appeal, a scheme prepared by a county council. (Hear, hear.) Mr. LLOYD-GEORGE eaid he must per- severe in his amendment if the Government would on no occasion accept anything in the rature of control by an elective committee of the countv councils. Mr. ASQUITH So far as the Government are concerned, they vili be perfectly open to any argument tha.t may be brought forwa.rd, •UthouRh it is to he understood that, as far as my own opinion goes, subject to anything that may then be said, the arrangement proposed by the Bill i* the best and. I believe, the only arrangement which will give real satisfaction to the requirements of the case. Mr. LLOYD-GEORGE: After that an- nouncemeiit. I lies? leave to withdraw my amend- merit. (Opposition laughter.) Leave for the withdrawal was refused, and the Committee divided, the numbers being: For the amMidment. 188 Against 198 Majority 10 1 The amendment was. therefore, negatived, the narrow division being received with cheers by the Opposition. Mr. TQMLINSON (C., Preston) then moved an amendment providing that the transfer of Welsh ecclesiastical property to the Welsh Commissioner? should not include that vested in Queen Anne's Bounty. Mr. ^QT TITH did not deny thai, in son respects the position of Queen Anne's Bountv was peculiar, and he thought that when they came to the next clause the subject would be worthy of consideration. As far. as he kn>:W, there was no property which could properly be called ecclesiastical property vested in Queen Anne's Bounty, and all the clause provided was that, so far as any property was so vested, it should be transferred. If it turned out thai, there was any property so vested, it ought to be regarded as national property and transferred like that vested in the fjcolesiaisticai Commission era. He would not accept the amendment. (Hear, hear.) I After some remarks from Mr. Griffiths Boscawen, Lord Craoborne. Sir R. Temple, Sir F. Powell, and Mr. S. Leighton, Sir R. WEBSTER characterised the Home Secretary's reasons for the insertion of the words as very fiimsj. and expressed the opinion that before they were put into the clause there ought to have been an inquiry into the condi- tion of Queen Anne's Bounty. Mr. GEORGE RUSSELL maintained that the fund known as Queen Anne's Bounty was 'o public property, and that if it should appear that there was Welsh ecclesiastical property j:J I th" fund then it would properly come within the scope of the Bill. If there was no such pro- perty in the fund ,\1lo:n there would be no grie- vance. Mr. TOMLINSON proposed to withdraw his amendment, but Mr. BARTLEY thought it a proper question I to divide upon. as the clause in its present form I struck at the basis of all morality and honesty. The Committee divided, and there appeared-- for trie amendment 165 Against 183 Majority 18 I Mr. GRIFFITH-BOSCAWEN proposed an amendment limiting the transferred property to that which was situated in Wales and Mon- mouthshire, his object being to prevent thy transfer of property situated in England but attached to a Welsh benefice. Mr ASQUITH did not kno., a. single case in which, if the amendment were carried, it would be operative; but, assuming that there were such cases, t'herb could be no reason tor excluding the property from the Bill because of the accident of geographical situation. Sir M. HICKS-BEACH said it appeared to him that the whole principle of the Bit! was the accident of geographical situation. (Hear, hear.) The Committee divided, and the amend- ment was rejected by 200 to 136. Mr R t.EmUTON IC., Shropshire) moved an amendment excluding' churchyard? and con- secrated burial grounds from the property w bo vested in the Commissioners. Mr. ASQUTTH submitted that that was not the appropriate tune ror raising the questkm who were to be the recipients of the various kinds of property. The amendment was negatived Mr. MACDONA \C.. Southwark, Kother- hithei proposed an amendment to the effect that the Commissioners ahould only deal with pro- perty whidl wn.s ascertained to have been given to the Church by Parliamentary ,I'ant. Mr. ASQUITH obi'v-ted that the amendment would strike at the principle of the Bill. There was no logical reason or moral distux-biou bf tween the different deacrintiona of endowment. Mr. TOMLINSON and Mr. HARTLEY having spoken in support of the amendment, Mr BALFOUR quite concurred that the amendment, if carried, would atrik" at the whole root o: the Bill, because if thev were only g^ing to disendow the Welsh Church as fax as the money srrsjited it by Parliament was concerned, the operation would be a. small one indeed. But it had been constantly asserted I on platforms and there was a widespread belief that thtj endowments of the Church were the result of Parliamentary liberality, and the amendment was justified as tendi.ng to correct tliat fallacy. (Hear, hear.) The Committee divided, and the amendment was i egatived by 192 to 183 -irajonty 9. The announcement of the figures was received with loud And continued Oppceition cheers, ) Sir R. TEMPLE (C., Surrey, Kingston) pro- t posed to omit the words "or appropriated to the use of." so as to restrict the property to be vested in Uie Commissioners to that which be- longed to any ecclesiastical offh-e or cathedral corporation in or connected with the Church in Wales. Mr. ASQUITH opposed, and, after a brief discussion, the Committee divided, with the result that the amendment wa,s rejected by 182 to 169: majority, thirteen. Progress was then rejiorced, I THE CONFLICT POSTPONED. Our London correspondent telegraphs :—In the lobby of the House of Commons on Monday night it was explained that the revolting Welsh- men did not persist in dividing against the Government, in the actual division that took place before dinner because, in the absence of Mr. David Thomas, they could have carried only four votes into the iohby. Four would have reduced the Government majority to two. Mr. Lloyd-George prefeired to defer the con- flict till Clause 9, when he hoped to be able to defeat the Government. That thf- Govern- ment majority was reduced to ten on a d: ision forced by the Opposition on an amendment that the proposer wanted to withdraw had a dis- quieting effect on supporters of the Govern- ment. The close shave may influence the decision of Ministers on Thursday. DEFENCE CAMPAIGN IN ST. I' DAVID'S i ,o The work of Church Defence is being yigo- vously oarried on in different portions of the Diooese of St. Davids. During the paat week Mr. Bvron Reed addressed) capital meetings at Kdwelly, Brynmawr, and Ystradgynlais. Mr. Amos, the organising secretary, also had fully attended meetings at Carew. Rederth. and St. Florence. at which vigorous addresses were given and heartily received. Otiier speakers were the Rev. H. Jones (Llaneily), the Rev. D. Jones (Kidwellv*. Dr. Kendall, the Rev. D. P. Lewis. Mr. J. Evans. J.P.. the Rev. L. Glankv. Mr. B. Gough (Pontardawe), and tiw- Rev. D. Griffiths (Brynmawr).