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MR. CHAMBERLAIN'S PROGRAMME.

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MR. CHAMBERLAIN'S PROGRAMME. THE THREE FREE PROPOSALS. REPUDIATION BY LORDS HARTING- TON AND DERBY. POSSIBILITIES OF LORD HARTING- TON'S RETIREMENT. Lord Hartington and Lord Derby were both speaking on 8<tturday night, and each of them dealt pretty severely with Mr. Chamberlain's proposes of free education, free land, and a graduated Income-tax. The following are summaries of the speeches:— LORD HARTINGTON. Lord Hartington was the principal speaker on Saturday night at a meeting in support of the candidature of Sir Ughtred Shuttleworth for the Clithevoe Division of Lancashire. After alluding to some remarks -vhich Mr. Ecroyd, the Conser- vative candidate, had made upon the differences in the Liberal ranks and the uncertainty as to Lord Hartington's views upon some of the ques- tions adopted by the advanced section of the party, his Jordship proceeded to deal in detail with each of them, speaking nrst upon free education. FREE EDUCATION. On this pcint his lordship remarked:Mr Ecroyd said: "Lord Hartington is opposed to free educa- tion, as it is called, on principle. So am I, and I am entirely opposed to making the provident pay for the education of the improvident, and I believe so is Lord Hartington but Mr. Chamberlain is in favour of free education. Is that a question of degree—one going a little faster than the other—or is it a root difference ?" Wel), gentlemen, it is not an accurate statement of anything I have said on the subject of free education. (Cheers.) I have sot said that the difference between me and some of my friends on the subject is a difference of principle. What I have said is not that payment of feea is, in my opinion, what it has been described to be, an odious impost or tax, but a payment for full value received. I think it, therefore, is not. a question for the removal of the odious im- post," but it resolves itself into a question of prac- tical expediency. What 1 have aiso said is, that I believe many educational authorities of great note attach importance to the continuance of some pay- ment by the parents of those children who can offord it, because they hold the opinion that all articles which are paid for are more valued by those who receive them than articles which are given gratuitously and as an act of charity. And the same authorities think that the payment of fees does not. hinder, but rather tends to promote, regular attendance. Well, I have also said I saw great diniculties in the way of reconciling a system of compulsory free education with a system of Voluntary Schoois. I saw great dimcul- ties in the way of establishing a system of free education which would not introduce changes perhaps destructive of the com- promise between the advocates of the ele- mentary and secular education which has now so happily been arrived at. All these con- siderations which I have put forward, and which appear to me to be worthy of the utmost consideration, are not root differences. I do not think it is very much to be wondered at that there should be a cause for inquiry into a system which has now been established for Sfteen years— which was absolutely new, and the practical working of which could not altogether be foreseen. And I think it is far better worth inquiry into than some of those subjects which the Conserva- tive Government is so anxious to inquire into— (cheers)—whether the present system is as emcient and as economical as it is capable of being made or whether it imposes any burden either upon the ratepayers or the parents of children which might justly be reduced. (Cheers.) DISESTABLISHMENT. The next subject to which I wiU refer in Mr. Ecroyd's speech is the question of the diaestabhsh- ment and disendowment of the Church. Mr. Ecroyd says:—" Is Lord Hartington satianed that diseatabiishment and disendowment ought to take place now, or that we should wait a few years? The difference between them is only a question of Lime. My impression is that Lord Hartington is entirely convinced that disestabiishment would be :I. bad thing, and that he is absolutely opposed to It either now or in live years or in ten years &ence. It is, therefore, not a difference of speed." t referred to this subject yesterday, and I do not .hink it is necessary to say much more about it. What I think is this—and I believe that in thia I am entirely at one with Mr. Chamberlain, Mr. Morley, anc ether ieadera of the Liberal party—(hear, hear)—in the desire that thia question—which wo don't consider to be a ques- tion of practical politics at tins moment—should not be raised at a)I—what I have said is that if that question were—as I think prematurely and un- necessarily—raised in the next Parliament I should vote against it. But as to what I may do as to what may be a practical question nve years hence. or ten years hence, I don't consider that anyone has tha right to exact that pledge from me. (Hear, hear.) And I thint it would be uaeleaa that I should give it. (Hear, hear.) I could not bind myself to what it is possible that I may do under an entirely altered condition of things; and what is a great Jeai more important is that I could certainly bind no ooo else. THE HOUSE OF LOBDS. Mr. Ecroyd next refers to the subjects of the abolition of the House of Lords and a graduated Income-tax. I said last year in the height of the agitation against the House of Lords that I was not prepared to support that extreme measure. I am certainty not prepared to support it now. But I sha!l be very glad if a practical plan for the reform of the House of Lords can be suggested; but at the same time I think it is extremely doubtful whether any plan that body wi)t consider will be found to be a plan acceptable by the I country. That. again, is a question which I don't think it is necessary or urgent to raise at the present time. A GRADUATED INCOME-TAX. As to the graduated Income-tax, I am perfectly prepared to consider any way in which any inequality in taxing may be redressed, but I trust it wiU not be found necesaarv to have recourse to the proposal of a graduated Income-tax. Upon these subjects my answer to Mr. Ecroyd is that ..hese questions are differences of opinion between lyseit and some members of the party. There are o differences as to the action which wo are called pon to take within any time that can be foreseen. am not responsible for the opinions of Mr. Jhamberiain any more than Mr. Chamberlain is esponsibte tor my opinions. Mr. Chamberlain Mts not, that I am aware of, brought forward, ¡ithel' in the Government of which he was lately a member or in the House of Commons of which 1e is still a member, any proposal either for the abolition of the House of Lords or for the establishment of a graduated Income-tax, When he does, then it will be time for me to consider what course it will be my duty to take. (Hear, hear.) And until he does so, and until those subjects are forced upon the consideration of Parliament, it ia not in my opinion necessary that i should put my colleagues or my friends through a catechism aa to their political opinions and unless I nnd that they dis- agree in every particular with myself I shall refuse to co-operate in the practical business of politics. (Hear, hear.) LORD HARTINGTON'a POSITION. Mr. Ecroyd asks whether I am going to Parlia- ment to support these proposals, or whether I am going to play into the hands of those who advocate them, and this is the dilemma in which he thinks I am p)a.ced :—"If that is his intention he is not *ntit!ed to the vote of a singie Radical, and if, on t-he other hand. hia intention is to ptay into their hands ha is not entitled to the vote of a single Whig or moderate Liberal." (Laughter.) In my opinion that ia a question, not for Mr. Ecroyd, but it is a question to be decided by the moderate Liberals and the Radicals in the Rosaendatp constituency. (Hear, hear.) They know my opinions. I have already stated some of them before them. I have answered to the best of my ability acme of Mr. Ecrovd's questions. They know my opinions on these matters, or they will krow them thoroughly before the polling day arrives, and it wiU be tor them to judge. They know my opinions a)so upon some other matters to which Mr. Ecroyd has not referred they know I am not committed—and I do not intend to commit myself—to any of the proposals which have been made which go beyond these measures which have been indicated as matters for immediate conside- I ration in Mr. Gladstone's address to the electors of Midlothian. They know as to the question of the tand that I am not committed—and I do not ntend to commit myself—to any measures 'Myond such as are necessary for the 'emovai of restrictions and for the preser- vation of Free Trade and the easy trans- 'er of land. (Hear, hear.) They know as to ocal government, although I have not had the opportunity yet of fully speaking upon that ques- tion—but I hope I may have before long—that ",hat I and others who agree with me particu- .arly desire ia tha re-organiaattbn and the simplifi- cation ot emitting local authorities and nnances. I want to improve the system which we have ah-eady. I may be willing to extend the powers which are exercised by local authorities in some respectd. In one reapect I certainly think they may be extended, and I think these local authori. ties so constituted may be given certainly as much control aa—perhaps, somewhat more control than —that which is now exercised by the magistrates in tba panting of hcencea. it is possible the power of these tocal authonttea may be extended in other directions, and that the powers which are cow exerciaed of holding land for public purposes may, in some casea, be extended. But I am oot committed to any of these proposals which I have indicated. On the contrary, I look at them with very considerable distrust and doubt. PROBABLE RETIREMENT. After apeaticg of the work there waa for an untied Liberal party, his !ordahip aaid I believe ,hat we are au proud, not only of the extent and magnitude of the reforma which have been carried jy the LtberM party, but of the manner ia which these reforms have been carried—without violence )r revotutton or disturbance. We are of opinion that this has been due in no amaU degree to the fact that the Liberal party has throughout con- siated, aot of mobs or ot one class alone, but has been recruited from all classes in thia country. Therefore it has never legislated for one class. It has been drawn from men of &u shades of religious belief, and it haa been able to include within itaeifa great variety of shades of political opinion. I believe it ia for the interests of the party and the country that this state of things should continue; I believe that before the Liberal party pledges itaetf to any reform the reform wil! be thoroughly dia- ,.u.ssed withia the Umita of ita own party, a.nd fot the reason that we desire the political toleration which has been one of the distinguishing charac- teristics of the Liberal party shall still bo main- tained. To that end I aha!! devote a!I the humble innuenco which I may possess. The time may come—I trust it will not—when I may be com- pelled to leave the ranks of those with whom I have had so much pleasure in serving; but the time certainty will not come so long as there is work to bo done upon which we are all agreed, and until any sections of the Liberal party insist upon forcing upon the party such opinions or pro- posals for which the great general sense of the party is cot prepared.

LORD DERBY.

SIR MICHAEL HICKS-BEACH.

LORD SALISBURY IN SOUTH LONDON.

LORD RANDOLPH CHURCHILL AT…

MR. CHAMBERLAIN.

GLAMORGANSHIRE.

RHONDDA DIVISION.

EASTERN DIVISION.

SOUTRERN"DIVISION.

SWANSEA" TOWN.

RADNORSHIRE.

MONMOUTHSHIRE.

MONMOUTH DISTRICT.

CARMARTHENSHIRE.