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triday, November 12tlt, 1909. WHAT THE LORDS HAVE TO FEAR MR. LLOYD GEORGE'S great Budget passed through the House of Com- mons on Thursday .night with a majority of 230 amid scenes of great enthusiasm. The Lords will now pass or reject the measure, as they please. We do not believe they will reject it, but we may be mistaken. Whether they reject it or not, the Bill will become law, and there can be no shadow of doubt that the rejection of the measure would at once bring about a political crisis in which the Lords would lose far more than the less wise of their number realise. The masses of the people are not, as a rule, inter- ested in financial measures, ibujt ithe Lords are kicking against the rich having to provide a large proportion I of the extra sixteen millions which are needed for old-age pensions and in- creased armaments. The rich say that the poor ought to pay and that the surest way of making- them pay would be to tax their bread. This is the main issue as far as the Budget itself is concerned, but if the Lords reject the Bill then the question of taxed food will for the time being pass into second place and the constitu- encies of thie LTnited Kingdom will have to decide whether the unrepre- sentative House of Lords shall) or shall not dictate to the representative House of Commons. In the end the People would be victorious over the Peers, and the House of Lords as it now exists would cease to exist. The reconstruction of the House of Lords, however, is not by any means what the Peers have most to fear in rejecting the Budget Bill, for sooner or later the House of Lords must be recon- structed, if it is only to prevent peers who do regularly exercise their legitimate functions from acting in panic against a measure such as that which has now been sent to them. That which the Lords have most to fear is the force that would be given to political extremists if the Lords set themselves in an attitude of defiance against the Commons. What ex- treme Radicals and wild-cat Socialists long for is that the Peers will set the Commons and the masses of the people at defiance by rejecting the Budget which protects every poor family in the country and places responsibility for increased national expenditure upon those who are always clamouring for it. We no more believe in the intelligence of hereditary peers than of hereditary paupers, but we think that taking the Peers as a body they of hereditary paupers, but we think that taking the Peers as a body they will have regard to their ovvn interests and will be too shrewd to start a revo- lutionary movement which may end, not only in the downfall of the House of Lords, but in the abolition of the monarchy. Below the political sur- face there is unrest that cannot find expression as it would find expression if the Lords were rash enough to throw the Budget back into the face of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER who probably cares no more for them than they care for him. WTith the rejec- tion of the Budget as a message to the People it would not be leave to pass the Bill that Mr. LLOYD GEORGE would ask for, but for power to re- move the revolution-makers from the national highway, and they would un- questionably be removed as a begin- ning of the changes that would give the people power to shape their own destiny without having to ask dukes or millionaires for their permission. Every day the people are becoming more interested in the Budget and all it means in the way of reform and revolution. That the House of Lords will play into the hands of the very people they most dread is hard to be- lieve, but the possibility of foolish action of this kind is shown by thje fact that a large number of Conserva- tives fail to see, quite apart from the Budget, that the imposition of a tax on food would be a highly dangerous; proceeding. At present, when food supplies can be ibroughf into this country from any part of the world I there is no danger of discontent or riots if the price of breadstuffs goes up owing to scarcity, as the price has gone up during- the past two years or more. Everybody knew that the higher prices wiere due to natural causes and there was no political dis- content. If breadstuffs were taxed, then any rise in price, even from natural causes, would be attributed to the tax and there would be both dis- content and disturbance. We are surprised that rich Conservatives do not see the danger of trying to make t' Z" the daily bread of the poor dearer or even of providing wild-cat Socialists w ith material for effective agitators in centres of large population. There are_ dormant forces in the country which it is wise not to provoke into activity. Indeed, the efforts of both political parties should be in the direc- tion of keeping those dormant forces in a state of quietude. We know, of course, how little effect a local paper like this can have on great national questions, but there is the fact that for the past forty or fifty years this paper has helped to create and maintain the political atmosphere in which the most prominent public man of the present day has lived and still lives. There are aspects of the threatened impending struggle between the Peers and the People which London journal- ists and peers of the realm seem to be unable to realise. It does not matter in the least to us whether the Lords reject the Budget Bill or not. We are disposed to wish that they would reject it, but we see with a distinctness which is indisputable that if the Lords do reject it they will not only do their own cause harm, but they wiII play the game of the wild-cat Socialists as nobody else could possibly play it. ill they do that? We think not. There is one aspect of the impending struggle that is well worth considera- tion by those who are not members of the House of Lords, or of the House of Commons, and are not even million- aires. What will it matter to millions of the people of this country if the House of Lords is abolished; if the Monarchy is ousted if wealth is confiscated; if anarchy reigns? The writer of this article, and millions besides, have no interest in the Budget beyond the pay- ment of a few pounds a year in taxes of one kind or another, and whether the Loids win or lose in the forthcom- ing struggle is of no more consequence than whether a tossed-up halfpenny comes down heads or tails. All that the masses of the people are deter- mined upon is that the Lords on the -Budget question shall not dictate to the people, but on the further question as to what will happen when the Lords are beaten they have no thought. The situation is absorbingly interesting History is being made.' Old institu- tions are hanging in the balance, and those whose fate is at stake have in their own hands the power to decide whether the fires of revolution shall be lighted or not. If we had the power to plead with the Lords we would not plead with them. As for the masses of the people, nobody can plead with them. The Lords are to them the symbol of pride, power, place, and privilege, and if the Lords choose to flaunt the people, then the Lords must take all the consequences of the flouting, whatever they may be. Our opinion is, even at this last moment, that the Lords will be too wise to finally chal- lenge the people to a conflict in which whatever is won or lost the Peers will not be gainers.
PARLIAMENTARY i CANDIDATES'…
PARLIAMENTARY i CANDIDATES' EXPENSES WE have used Mr. HAYDN JONES, the Liberal candidate for Merionethshire, as an instance in which the electors might with justice and wisdom pay his election expenses, not because he is less able than some other candidates to meet the outlay, but because he is neither as rich as Mr. ÐAVIQ DAVIES, the member for Montgomeryshire, nor as poor as a labour candidate who has to depend on the subscriptions of his supporters for his daily bread. Our case, as we will try to show, has neither to do with riches nor poverty, nor with the individual, but is based on a prin- ciple which we contend ought to be recognised by the State in the best interests of the whole people, irrespec- tive of poverty or riches. The election expenses of members of Parliament, their maintenance in London, and their railway and other charges ought to be Z" paid by the State. It is decidedly against the highest interests of the people that only rich men can be mem- bers of Parliament. We do not think the average voter realises how com- pletely his national interests depend upon the personal action of men who are well enough off to be able to spend a thousand pounds on every contested election and to live in London during the Parliamentary session at the rate of many pounds a week. Take the case of any ordinary man who is fairly well-to-do. If he becomes a member of Parliament he must leave his busi- ness, if he has one, and must go to live in London. He must devote himself to public affairs and must be willing to subscribe to all sorts of movements, societies, schemes, and associations. These demands often amount to not less than ;C(-)oo or £ §00 a year, and the member who refuses to meet the demands made upon him is doomed. We have seen scores of beg-ging- letters sent to members of Parliament, and there is nothing in the world to equal them for barefaced impertinence, extor- tion, and coarse brutalkv. The cost of living in London during the Parlia- mentary session is so considerable as to be altogether beyond the reach of any man who has less to live on than a thousand pounds a year, quite apart from all extra demands. We ask the average readers of this paper, not only in Merionethshire, but in Cardigan- shire, Montgomeryshire, Carmarthen- shire, and Carnarvonshire what chance they have of being fairly and adequately represented in Parliament seeing that comparative wealth is an indispensable condition of a seat in the House of Commons. We may be told again, as we have been told many times before, that many of the Welsh members are comparatively poor. This is true. The barrister who becomes a member of Parliament has to live in London whether he is a member of Parliament or not, and when he is a member of Parliament there are possibilities open to him which would not be open to him if he were not a member of Parliament. There are chances in the House of Commons which to the unscrupulous are worth taking. A former member of Parliament for Wales went to the House of Commons not worth a cent. and died in a few years worth well on to twenty thousand pounds and had also reached Government place. There are at the present time members of Parlia- ment for Wales in the House of Com- mons who are a mystery. They live on invisible means and do not seem to be-unduly perturbed when there is a contested election that may cost any- thing- up to a thousand pounds. Our case is that it is not in the interests of the people 0[- the Principality that their representatives should: be subject to financial stress. Let our readers ask themselves how some of the past and present Welsh members of the House of Commons have not only managed to pay their election expenses and live, but have also seemed to have money to spare and, as we have already pointed out, have piled up thousands of pounds in a comparatively short time. The system is utterly wrong. Elec- tion expenses ought to be a public charge. Further, each member of Parliament olIght to have a monev allowance that would make him inde- pendent not only of millionaires, but of speculators, honour-seekers, and place- hunters. It does not require a phil- osopher to see that a member of Parlia- ment may easily obtain information about foreign loans and international relations that might be worth millions of pounds to great financiers and speculators, both at home and abroad. If members of Parliament are to be kept honest in the highest sense thev ought not to be driven into the hands ot speculators, either for election expenses or for means of daily subsist- ence. A seat in Parliament under present conditions is not the place for a poor man who is scrupulous and con- scientious. He must pay his election expenses. He must live in London Ie" eight or nine months in the year. He must meet the bullying demands of subscription hunters. How are these demands to be met on nothing a year, for the ordinary person cannot work and also discharge the duties of a member of Parliament? Some of the saddest of human tragedies are identified with parliamentary life, for every man who is willing to sell himself cannot always find a market, and those who hope to achieve distinction do not always succeed. We wish it were possible to persuade Merionethshire and, if possible, other Welsh constituencies, to pay the elec- tion expenses of future members—we presume that Mr. HAYDN JOXES will be the future member for Merioneth. We know from long experience how indif- ferent the people are as to morals when right action entails financial sacrifices. Who really oares whether morality and purer political life would be served bv subscribing a paltry two or three 2-1 y thousand pounds a year, which would p I not cost the voters more than an average of five shillings each. It is remarkable how very still the Liberal leaders of the county are when the principle is raised of providing for the election expenses of the Liberal candi- date. High principle is an excellent aim when it does not cost anything, but it is absolutely astounding how small an amount of high principle will satisfy even a religious and enlightened Liberal constituency like Merionethshire if it costs something in hard cash. In our opinion, the only way to secure the payment of election expenses and the payment of members is for the constituencies in the first place to take the burden upon themselves. We make an appeal on behalf of Mr. HAYDN JONES because he is a well-tried public servant and has not sought the office of parliamentary representative, and because he is not a rich man and, further, because he is one of the people and in every sense deserves their sympathy and support. Will Meri- oneth pay his election expenses?
TROTTING OUT DEAD MUNICIPAL…
TROTTING OUT DEAD MUNICIPAL HORSES IHF. ratepayers of Aberystwyth ought to enjoy the way the dead municipal horses were trotted out by their sleepy jockeys at the Aberystwyth Town Council meeting on Tuesday when Mr. WYNNE was elected to succeed Mr. J. T. DAVIES as mayor. Of course there is a serious as well as a comic side to the proceedings, as we hope to make clear. We have not seen anything more amusing or more sad for a long- time. Mr. J. T. DAVIES did not see the joke of his having been in favour of one of the dead horses for nine years and yet has never done anything to Z, bring about even the semblance of a resurrection. The speeches were real gems in their way, and from the report in another part of the paper it is almost certain that the authors of them were speaking with their tongue in their cheek. Perhaps they were oblivious. The two new members do not seem to have laughed at the oratorical display, and nobody objected to the trotting out of dead projects and others worse than dead. Some of them were not even mentioned. The very worst case of all, with which every member or the Council is well acquainted, was not even hinted at. 0, the sham and the shame of it. We are not going to label that wrong. Nobody, for in- stance, brought the Isolation Hospital out for an airing, but perhaps that was because the subject has been dis- posed of as far as it can be disposed of without the consent of Mr. VAUC.HAN DAVIES who says his private rights will be interfered with. We will not now discuss Air. VAUGHAN DAVIES'S private rights, whatever they may be. Nothing at all was said about truck trading and truck advertising, but the trotters out of the dead projects were almost jubilant over the success in blocking the Terrace during the last summer. Our readers remember how the Terrace was obstructed and how the bandstand was objectionably used for advertise- ments. By all means let the same thing be done again next year on a more extensive scale and in cruder and more offensive ways if possible. What does mere ugliness matter to the average person ? The scheme-if there is a scheme-for increasing the town's water supply made its appearance again, This is a very slow and lame old horse indeed, and we do not believe it will ever get anywhere until some* thing serious happens in the middle of1a summer season and the poor thing is lD danger of pegging out altogether- Once that disaster comes there will be trouble in the camp and all sorts rude questions will be asked. e The extension of the borough once more hobbled into view. This is a vef) old horse, and although Mr. J- T- DAVIES has been kindly-disposed wards it for the considerable period nine years neither he nor anybody else has done a single thing to put the wretched creature on its legs. Nobod) sniggered when Mr. J. T. DAVIES spoke of the poor thing with something like tears in his voice. Perhaps the? thought that sniggering would be un~ seemly in the presence of so venerable a creation which everybody shulls- except on show days like last Tuesday. There is no knowing what may happen, and in another nine or ten years further sympathy may be expressed with this grossly neglected pet of the Council's- One of the most comic of the municipal dead horses is called Bye- laws. Great care and expense were devoted to the rearing of this hopeless crock, but now nobody gives it a thought. Even on Tuesday neither the old MAYOR nor the new MAYOR said a word about it. Perhaps the TovvN CLERK was thinking about it, but no- body can tell what he is thinking about, and it is no part of his duty to express his thoughts which is probably com- fortable for him and beneficial" to the members of the Council. We think he cannot fail to enjoy what goes on at the Council meetings, and if he In- dulged in an audible smile nov and then during ihe speeches of Mr. PETER fOXES and 21 others we are sure nobody would have blamed him. There was a notable and alnost inexcusable omission on Tuesday in reference to that wretched crock caled "the Markets." This old horse is very lame indeed and nobody appears to know what is the matter with it. We think this moribund old Corpora- tion horse might have been trotted out by its last trainer just to see how it looks now that so much money is being" spent on its new stable in Market- street. We rather think that the trainer has received a hint to the effect that the cost of doctoring this Corpora- tion old horse would be so great that' the ratepayers would object to the out- lay. Some time ago an expert was called in to see about this very doubtful municipal horse, but nothing has been seen of his report, and the ratepayers bless them, do not seem to care what happens. The dead old horse called The Markets urgently needs atten- tion, but we do not expect anything to be done. The CHAIRMAN of the Markets Committee is quite satisfied with the annual graveyard procession, and as long as the ratepayers are con- tent why should there be any un- pleasantness? Why, indeed? On Tuesday the two new members were received into the close corporation in the regular way. Each made a speech in the usual style, and nobody could have guessed from what they said that they had not been in the Council as long as Mr. J. T. DAVIES, the ex-mayor, has been studying the y Z!1 question of borough extension. The impending lawsuit with Mr. RICHARDES was not discussed. No- body said a word about the awninc, irons left out all through the year. Nothing was done about the fatal sweeping of shop dust into the streets. The obstruction of the foot- paths was not mentioned. The high death-rate was not referred to. The. filthy donkey stand on the Terrace was ignored. The filth spread all over the harbour was not dealt with. There were many other unpleasant subjects which were left unnoticed. What stood out quite distinctly was that everybody was on his best behaviour. Beslavering was the order of the day. Mr. J.I. DAVIES must have been some- what astonished to discover how very successful he has been as mayor, and Mr. E.P. WYNNE must feel elated that his negative services—he is no fighter — have been so thoroughly appreciated. We have no desire to strike a dis- cordant note. Let praise abound. There is a good deal of muck about, but that is ot no consequence, perhaps. The weather reports may be defective e\e,n worthless—but who is going- to trouble about a few shillings a week wasted in publishing news which is of no earthly interest? Our advice to the 1 atepayers is to carefully read the speeches of the old and new members delivered at the Council meeting on the ninth and we think they will have some difficulty in realising that they are not, dreaming. If the universal eulogies of last Tuesday are deserved, as we take it for granted they are deserved, or honest men would surely never have given them, why should anybody make himself unpopular by fighting battles- against msanitation, obstructions,. official neglect, municipa l incapacity* waste, and all sorts of other wrong? We think the rank and file of the rate- payers will see right through last I uesday s sham. We trust them, and we are not going to abandon ouf crusade against municipal neglect and wrong because a good deal of it waS covered last Tuesday by municipal slaver. The whole proceedings- were offensive and humiliating. --=--
EDITORIAL NOTES
EDITORIAL NOTES We wonder why Mr. BALFOUR., a scholar and a gentleman^ does not withdraw the, unjust charges he made against Mr. URE. Did he make his charges cut of kindness- and in order to elevate Mr. URi, as hti- has certainly been elevated. Cardiff is mad at Mr. LLOYD GroF:O because be, will not go to, Cardiff and,, ? now swearing at large that it nt-vver wanted him. All Wales is laughing at Cardiff which is suffering very seric»«sly from intense megalomania, < < Mrs. LLOYD GEORGE says in a fett;tr: "I "do not think there is. any danger of Mr- "LLOYD GEORGE going to Cardiff. Cardiff must look for a -representative elsewhere- "They have plenty of time." Of course not. Nobody with a grain of sense ever thought there was. The Board or Trade returns for October give further evidence of the improvement of the overseas trade of the United KÏ1Jg' dom. The comparisons with 1908 xhibit increases all round, especially in the ilo- ports of raw materials. Cotton comes ot extremely wel1 both as to imports at' exports. Ruin is not yet. Mr. J. D REES is to be at to-morrow (Saturday). Will somebo,ly ask him a question—he is very fond of quo^^onS -why a woman who is good enough to b& his mother, or his wife or his daught^r» or the queen is not good enough a parliamentary vote? He must know, hut we have never been able to ^uc* 0 »