Symud i'r prif gynnwys
Cuddio Rhestr Erthyglau

23 erthygl ar y dudalen hon




Bill's Second Reading.


Newport Demonstration.

Cardiff Church Protest.


Cardiff Church Protest. BISHOP OF ST. DAVID'S ATTACK. The Church of England protest meeting held on Wednesday night at the Park Hall, Cardiff, and addressed by the Bishop of St. David's, was exceptionally well attended, especially by ladies zealous for the welfare of the Church. The Bishop of Llandaff presided, and was sup- ported on the platform by the Archdescons of Llandaff and Carmarthen, the Rev. H. H. Stewart, Dr. H. Vachell, Rev. Daniel Lewis, Merthyr Rev. Conhop Price, Mr Geo. David, Mr Herbert Lewis, Mr H. J. Parkhurst, Mr E. C. Wilhnott, Mr A. C. Kirk, Mr John Sankey, K.C., Mr J. B. Maddocks, Mr R. W. Sprent, Rev. G. L. Richardson, Rev. J. L. Thomas, Aberpefgwm Col. Lindsay, Rev. H. Jenner, Rev. C. A. H. Green, Rev. Lemuel James, Mr W. Godfrey (organiser for Church Defence), Col. Bruce Vaughan, Dr. Biggs, Rev. C. A. Empson, Rev. G. Heaton, Rev. A. Pugh, Rev. D. A. Jenkins (chaplain to the Bishop of St. David's). As Dr. Owen entered the hall, accom- paniedjby his Lordehrpjof Llandaff, Canon Beck, Canon Buckley, and other prominent Angli- cans, he was received with an ovation, and again when he got up to propose the only resolution put to the meeting—a resolution of protest against the proposals of the Govern- ment for the dismemberment of the National Church, the disendowment of the four dioceses, and the secularisation of property originally given, and for centuries devoted to religious purposes—loud cheers greeted him, and cries of Good old Uandovery were heard on every side. The Bishop of Llandaff. The foremost Church defender in the Prin- cipality," was the designation given to the principal speaker by the Bishop of Llandaff as ne introduced Dr. Owen to the meeting. Pro- ceeding, the Bishop of Llandaff said that two arguments Which were used in favour of the Bill did not very well lie in the mouths of their opponents. They told Church people that it was for their good and for the benefit of the Church. They said that one of the objects of the Bill was to bring about a better feeling between the Church and other religions bodies. (Laugh- ter. ) Those who ijfrere chiefly concerned ought to have a voice in the matter, but they ought to know what was likely to be of benefit to their Church rather better than those outside. (Cheers.) The great majority in favour of the Bill were very determined to get Disendow- ment. That would mean the crippling of the efforts of the Church, and the work they were engaged in for the religious, social, and general welfare of the people, by taking aWay the funds which their ancestors ieft fot Religious work and devote them to other purposes. Was this the time for any religious body to slacken its eflotts Of to be crippled ? The Church did not want to interfere with other bodies and to injure them, and therefore Why should other bodies wish to inflict a serious injury upon the Church and its Work f He denied that the passing of the Bill would promote goodwill between the Church and Nonconformity, for the present campaign would leave a legacy of dissatisfaction and antagonism and bitterness which would take many years to eradicate. (Hear, heat.) The Bishop of St. David's. The Bishop of St. David's, having dealt with the Disestablishment part of the Government Bill on Tuesday night at Newport, now turned his attention to the Disendowment clauses,and said that the Prime Minister asked Parliament to alienate Church property without having before it the information to form a proper judgment on the Disendowment clauses, either in detail or as a whole. It was not business, nor statesmanship, but political tactics. (Hear, hear.) Having compared the present Bill with the Bill of 1895, the Bishop said that since the Irish Disendowment Act of 1869 was the fore- runner of the two Irish Home Rule Bills and of various Acts dealing with private property in land in Ireland this Welsh Disendowment Bill was naturally the keystone of the policy of all who desiKsd to make Wales as like Ireland as possible ill regard to Home Rule and land, and therefore they need not be surprised that the Welsh members had persuaded the Welsh Free Church Council of the political expediency of entering into an alliance with the Irish members, which had been cemented by the recent ovations given Mr T. P. O'CoAmr in South Wales. (Laughter.) Ancient Endowments. To single out the four poorest dioceses of the Church for Disendowment was just of a piece with the irony of singling out the four oldest diocesefi for Disestablishment. What remained of the ancient endowments of the Church in Wales after the lav-impropriations of the Reformation and thehavo4 wrought-by Crom- well's propagators of the Gospel in Wales was less than half of their present net value. The Bill left the Church the private benefactions given since 1668, which amounted only to about one-fifteenth the present net value of its endowments, but it took away all the benefits received since 1703 from Queen's Anne's Bounty, and all received since 1840 from the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, and prohibited them from giving a penny the Church in the future. The chairman of the Welsh party (Sir Alfred Thomas), who set an example to some of his follower in principle as well as in eourtesy and kindness, seemed to have his doubts the other day at Pontypridd whether it was a good thing from any point of view for Dises- tablishment to be encumbered with Disendow- ment. They must not be too hard upon Sir Alfred Thomas because he failed to respond to the reasonable invitation of Canon Beck— in whom Cardiff Churchmen have a splendid leader—to pluck up the courage of his convic- tions, and move in the House of Commons the omission of all the Disendowment clauses of the Bill. The chairman of the Welsh party had no difficulty in picturing to himself what a time be would have at the next meeting of the Welsh Parliamentary party and of the Welsh political Liberal convention were he to ven- ture to drop Disendowment. (Laughter.) Charitable objects, urged the Bishop, would never gain in Wales or anywhere else by taking away endowments originally given, contin- uously used, and now used better than ever for the purposes of religion. The Cardinal Vice. As far as equity, or common hobesfcy "was con- cerned, next to the cardinal vice of this part of the Bill in alienating to secular objects endow- ments given for the purposes of religion came the taking away from the Church, to which it was originally given, religions trust property which, on the recognised principle of equity or common honesty, the Church was as faDy entitled to retain as anybody in the country was entitled to retain his private property. (Applause.) Dealing with the argument for 1662, Bishop Owen said that several organised secessions had taken place from the Wesleyan Methodist denomination since it began to gather its existing large endowments. Imagine the energy with which Sir Robert Perks would rightly lead the Wesleyan denomination against a WI applying Mr Asqnith's clear and definite principle," in the name of religious equality, to the secularisation of that part of Wesleyan endowments which preceded the last secession from that denomination. (Laughter.) It was not outside the bouaads of practical pos- sibilities that a revolt of New Theologians educated in the up-to-date atmosphere ot our Welsh University CoHegee against the strict Calvinism of the original trust deeds of the other three larger Welsh denominations might ,occasion within a generation an organised separation from one or more of them. He would regard such separations as a disaster to Waks, bat they brought home the dangerous absurdity of Mr Asquith's dear and definite principle. Irrevocable Operation- It was, submitted the biabop, a profound mis- take for Mr Asquith to anome that the pre- sent unfortunate relations between the Welsh Nonconformist denominations and their Mother Church were likaly to continue for several generations. Mr Asquith's operation, on the other hand, woald be an irrevocable. operation., since there was no instance on re cord of a restoration of religious endowments after their secularisation- Were such a Bill as this ever passed into law the Welsh people of the future would wonder why the thoughtful Churchmen and the thoughtful Nonconformists of to-day allowed such a wrong to be done to the welfare of religion in Wales as a whole. (Hear, hear.) For the Prime Minister of Eng- land to place the mere wishes of Welsh mem- bers of Parliament about property in Wales so far above the principles of equity or common honesty, as to deprive the Church in Wales of fourteen-iffteenths of its endowments was to ignore all constitutional and moral limits hitherto recognised, and to adopt a particular- istic type of advanced Sodafism which may well astonish the civilised world (Applause.) Chancellor of Uandaff. Mr John Sankey, &.C., the new Chancellor of the Diocese of Llandaff, in seconding the motion, said they had always thought that where trusts were properly administered for proper and useful purposes those in charge should be entitled to continue in their offices and enjoy their revenue as long as they faith- fully and honestly discharged their duties. They had it on the evidence of tike Prime Minister that during the last 70 years tha Church in Wales had opened a new chapter and had faithfully and honestly discharged the duties devolving upon her. (Hear, hear.) They should not now consider the arguments which might be adduced in the time of absent bishops and clergy, and to visit the sins of the great-great-grandfathers upon the great-great- grandchildren was not consistent with the teachings of the New Testament. The resolution was then put and carried. An overflow meeting was held in St. John's Schoolroom, Mr W. S. de Winton presiding over a large audience.

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