Carnarvon and Denbigh Herald and North and South Wales Independent

FOREIGN SLATES MR WINSTON CHURCHILL'S AJICR- ING REPLY. In the House of Commons on Tuesday, Mr Tomkinson (Crewe) asked the President of the Board of Trade what percentage of the total amount of slates used in this country had been imported from abroad in each of the years 1902 to 19^7, inclusive. Mr Churchill: If the annual consump- tion of slates in the United Kingdom be taken as equivalent to the production of each year, with the imports added and the exports deducted,, it appears that the pro- portion of imported slates to the total con- sumption so ascertained was about 13 per cent. in 1902, 19 per cent in 1903, 14 per cent, in 1904, 12 per cent. in 1905, and 8 per cent. in both 1906 and 1907. In mak- ing this calculation, account has been taken of the imports and exports of roofing slates only, no separate information being avail- able with Tegard to any imports or exports of slate in other forms. Mr Bonar Law Do I understand that the right hon. gentleman is baking the net exports as the test; and, if so, does he con- sider that a fair way of treating other classes of goods? Mr Churchill: It appears to be rather a complicated question of a slightly hypo- thetical tendency, and I should like to have the opportunity of studying it (laughter).

PULPIT AND SOCIALISM ) I REV. JOHN WILLIAMS. BRYN- SIENCYN, AT CARNARVON. Several more or less direct references to the Socialist movement were made by the Rev. John Williams, Brynsiencyn, in the course of a sermon preached at Siloh Chapel, Carnarvon, on Tuesday. How to live," he said, "was the question of the day. It was a question which agitated the country, and was likely to bring about a, revolution sooner or later. He prayed God to keep these things out of the hands of the godless and place them in the hands' of people who had respect for things sacred. They should set a high standard in life, and en deavour to live up to it. If they were to be better than inteflligent animals, they must have a higher object in life than the mere keeping together of body and soul. The only wav to avoid the oppression of this world was to set ourself a sufficiently "high standard, and it was in Christ only that this was to be found. Command that these stones be made bread,' said Satan. Feed the unemployed '—that was the way to be- come popular, but Christ would not do 2,0 at Satan's bidding."

MR LLOYD GEORGE TO BE PRESENTED BY HIS SCHOOL- MATES. There is a movement on foot among the schoolmates of Mr Lloyd-George to present. him with a. testimonial, and already over L13 has been subscribed towards tlhe move- ment. At a meeting held on Fiiday even- ing at the Llanvs'tiimdiwy National School, jpret-i/Kvl over by Mr W. E. Williams. J.P., a letter was read' from Mr Lloyd-George e*xpi^'in,.T his appreciation of the move- ment. flhe presentation will take place at a pahl'h meeting, and the subscription list Trill tW closed on December 1st. The con- tributions' will bie confined entirely to the whoolmates and the parishioners of LLan- ydtuimidwy.—Mr Wm. Pritdhard, of Penv- ibryn, Chwilotg, is secretary, end Mr WIm., Roberts, of Gwyndy. Llanveituimdwy, trea- surer to the movement. The form oi pre- ee>nta> .i has not yet been decided upon.

1910 NATIONAL EISTEDDFOD I ELE LiON OF GENERAL SECRETARY: I CWSE VOTING. I On Wednesday evening, Mr James Am- phletb presided over a meeting of the Exe- cutive Committee. A letter was read from the Jhaiiman 41 the Llandudno Urban Dis- trict Council (Mr W. H. Jones) thanking the committee for electing him a member, and firciiiising his support. Ti, -e) and:dateon the short list f(-.r the :'fri'.ral S<v.Tetarv<hin were in atten- dant, Mr H. Brvthon Hughes, Lian- elia .•>! Mr T. R. Roberts (Asaph), of Car.UiLVcr! • After a long discussion, ballt.i xt,, taken, the result of which was that Mr IVrython Hughes had a majority of ono vote, and 'as duly elected.

LATE S:R JOHN PULESTON A 11 N BANKRUPTCY FILED. Ti.- :i London Gazette" of Tuesday con- tain- •■! ihe following under the '"Bankruptcy Actr 'tfceiving Orders" — L Sir John Henry. 2. Whittling C the City of Westminster credi- -to petition, date of filing March ;51x1, 1903 (iht. of receiving order, September 30ih, 1908.

BULGARIA'S FIXE. Paris, Friday. A telegram to the "Echo" states that the last meeting of the Ottoman and Bulgarian delegates proved decisive. The Bulgarians have consented to pay a total of 110 million francs-forty millions for the railway, and 70 millions as capitalisation of Roumelian tribute.

RAILWAY COLLISION. Arbroath, Friday. A mail train dashed into a goods train which was shunting at Guthrie Junction, near Arbroath, early this morning. Heavy damage was done to rolling stock, and both lines were blocked. Several passengers were badly shaken.

DEAD ON THE ROAD AGED WO'MA'N S TRAGIC END. A widow of the name of Mis Jane Pr't- ohard, of TV'nyiwierglodd, Rho&lan, found dead on tfhe roadside on Tuesday; morning close to Bryn "refai'li,sa,f. A few. (minutes before she passed on the road Mns Griffith Roberts, fish dealer, of Oriic- cieth. She was. ciartying a large quantity of cheese, and appeared to be alright. Death was probrubly due to heart failure, She was seventy-seven years of age. The inquest took place yesterday (Thurs- day) afternoon.

I MINISTER AND TENANT CHURCH MEETING EXPRESSES ITS SYMPATHY. At an inquiry held at St. John St. Chapel, Chester, under the presidency of Councillor John Owen. The Rev. Pryce Davies, pastor, gave a full explanation of the RhostryTan case, and replied to several questions, after which he gave verbal notice of his intention to resign his post as pastor of the chapel during next year. He then retired to allow the members to pass a resolution on the matter. The meet- ing unanimously passed the following:- That this meeting, sympathising with the Rev. J. Pryce Davies in the matter, absolves him of all blame." The Rev. J. Pryce Davies thanked the meeting for its sympathy.

I DISPUTED OWNERSHIP OF FURNITURE Two cases, involving the ownership of I furniture at a Blaenau Festiniog Temper- ) ance Hotel came for hearing before his I Honour Judge Moss, at the Carnarvon County Court on Wednesday. One was an interpleader action, in which John Davies, auctioneer and valuer, Blaenau Festiniog, was the claimant, and John Thomas and Ann Thomas the defendants. In the other case the female defendant claimed the fur- niture from John Davies as being her own property. The Judge decided to take the cases to- gether. John Davies iwas represented by Mr R. A. Griffith (instructed by Mr R. 0. Davies, Festiniog). Mr J. T. Roberts appeared for Messrs Lake and Co., Carnarvon, execu-. tion creditors, whilst the High Sheriff of Merionethshire was represented by Mr Crebbin (Messrs Carter, Vincent and Co.). The defendants were represented by Mr William George (Messrs Lloyd-George and George). From the evidence, it appeared that the defendants carried on various businesses at ) the Griffin Temperance Hotel, Blaenau I Festiniog, the premises and the businesses beincr the propertv of John Thomas, his Wife merety assisting. The furniture in dispute was valued by the defendants at about £1200. Last year, the male defen- I dant, acting with the knowledge of his wife, called a meeting of creditors, and made an assignment of the property, in- j c;uding the furniture, for the benefit of the j creditors, and J. Davies was appointed trus- [ tee. Later, Mrs Thomas became the man- ageress of the premises for the creditors, and it was only after she was served with a notice to terminate the engagement that I she set up a claim to the furniture. The execution creditors had recovered judg- ment against both defendants for the sum of E59. A number of witnesses were called, and at a late hour in the evening, the case was adjourned until the next sitting of the Court.

THE BANK AMALGAMATION FUTUHlE AIR¡RAL,(j¡E)1T FOR I TRAINS A GTENIG BUSINESS. I The siharebc' ders of th;1 X. and Bank met at Liverpool on Thursday, and formally dec.id.ed to amalgamate with the London City and Midland Bank. It was announced thait. it is the intention of tbe London bank that the business heretofore carried on by the country bajik shall, not- withstanding the transfer t.hereoif to tJha London bank be carried on, so far as may be found practicable, on the following lines: — I The business of t!h<? country bank is to be maintained and developed as one of (the leading banks in Liverpool, Wales, and, tho adjoining districts, and', so fax as practi- cable, on the lines upon which such business is now conducted, and with tha.t objecii. in I view the following provisions will be made 2 The business wil be placed under the oontroU of' a Liverpool board and of 31 Liverpool manager, who will be entrusted with full control over the business, subject- only to the ult.imate control of the board of the London bank. 3. The Liverpool hoard will in the first instance consist o? the present directors of the country bank—■ namely, Messrs Thomas BrockJebank, Wil- liam Watson, Robert Clover Beaalev, Fred- erick Hynde Fox, Hugh Bulkeley Price, Thomas Royden, and Sir Percy Ely Bates, Bart. 4. Four of the members of the Liverpool board shall be members oi Uie board of the London bank, namely, Messrs WTm. Watson. Robert Clover Beazley, Frederick Eiynde Fox, and Thomas Royden. In the event of any of them ceasing to be (members of the boatr-d' of the London ban-k the vacancy to be filled by the appoint- ment of another member of, and to be selected by, the Liverpool board, it being; the intention that such vacancies shall, in the first pHaoe, be filled by the other mem- bers of the Liverpool board appoin under or in accordance with the provisions hereof. 5. The present solicitors of the country bank shall continue to act as the solicitors of the Lo-n-don bank in relation, to the busineies entrusted to the Liverpool 'board. 6. The present auditors of the couii- tr\ bank shall continue to act as the audi- tors of the business entrusted to the Liver- pool beard.

CARNARVON PULPIT SUPPLIES CALVINISTIC METHODISTS. Ergedi: Evan Jones, Carnarvon. Moria-h: H. Barrow Williams, Llandudno. I Beulah: Rhys Lewis, Salem. iPhiioh: R. W. Jones, Carnarvon. Castle square T. E. Jones, Cetnywaen. CON G REG ATIO N ALISTS. .Salem: Bryniog Roberts, Stanley Jones. Pendrei St.anley Jones, Bryniog Roberts. BAPTISTS. yr. Hughes, Colwvn Bay. WESLEYAXS, Ebenezer: D. Morris. Madoc Roberts. Castle-street: D. R. Rowe, Bangor. FREE CHURCH OF WALES. Cyaegr Hugh Jones.

MANY TOPICS—MANY VIEWS THE HOLYHEAD REVELATIONS HERALD AND THE PENSIONS THE DIFFICULTY AND HOW TO OVERCOME IT. (To the Editor of the "Herald.") Sir, The letters you publish on this matter give one cause to think. The whole town is being degraded by these loathe- some doings. But what is the root cause of it all The churches have evidently failed to get at the root of the matter. The police and magistrates' courts seem to be a failure. It is very vile to punish women and let the men go scot free. But ex- posure and punishment meted out. to the women does not seem to make thinga bet- ter. Will exposure of the men bring about a cure ? What is the real root of the evil? I beg to suggest that it is the enslavement of woman. Women now are compelled to marry in order to get a living. Hence what starts in rottenness ends in rottenness. AH human society is polluted with this mammonism in the most sacred of human relations-the relations of love. The eman- cipation of woman is a health-bringing movement, even as the abolition of slavery in America was. Let us deliver woman from the compulsion to look on marriage as a trade which she has to ply with all I the cringing of a shopkeeper and the astute- ness of a lawyer, then no man will dare de- grade a woman. What is wanted is not so much the punishment of man as the uplifting of woman from the bonds of her slavery.—Yours, etc., MERE MAN.

MINISTERS DEFENDED. (To the Editor of the "Herald.") Sir,-Most of your readers will agree with Mr Harry Williams' vigorous protest against the names of innocent and respectable people getting mixed up in a scandal. The only reason assigned for this is that it would injure the reputation of the guilty parties. Surely such persons deserve exposure. "M. L." blames the ministers for not de nouncing from the pulpit these scandalous ,evils. On the admission of the police no > 6uch cases had come under their notice lor j nearly a quarter of century, and surely j if those who are employed to detect crime weTe not aware of such carryings-on, it I could hardly be expected that the minister who only moves in good society should be conversant with such outrages on the morals of society. Is it not enough for them to deal with such things as come under ordi- nary observation, and the abuses in connec- tion with football im. undoubtedly one of them? "A Woman" denounces men who nre guilty of vile conduct and would sweep them off the face of the earth. Bad as they are, Mr Harry Williams takes up a more reason- able and Christian attitude, and -while de- nouncing their sins, calls them to repen- tance. "A Woman" seems to have nothing but scorn for the degenerate men who have been guilty of such debased conduct, but over her own sex she would throw a cloak of charity, and declares that they are more to be pitied than blamed. This is strange, reasoning, and only a woman's logic could arrive at such a conclusion. Why abuse men and pity women? Arc they not equally guilty.-Yours, etc., ONLY A MAN.

WOMAN REPLIES TO A WOMAN. (To the Editor of the "Herald.") Sir,—The letter of your lady correspon- dent is,-well, so like a woman! Her pen has been dipped in flaming fury instead of I ink. She would like the names of the men I concerned in ithe affair to be exposed, so that people might, forsooth, with righteous unction, "walk by on the other side." Why should curiosity be whetted by the publication of the names of the culprits? What good could possibly ensue? A great deal of very positive evil would result. It is bad enough that the names of the women should be mentioned. Is this an- other effect of their exclusion from the franchise? By doing so we do but help to create a class of social pariahs; outcasts from society who naturally, and in conse- quence, constitute of themselves a public pest—and amall blame to them. Why ex- tend the evil? It would not tend to abolish the scourge, for that is as old as civilization, and is just as easily remedied! "But," methinks I hear the lady exclaim in a torrent of wrath, "why don't you treat the men as you treat the women?" Nay, my vexed sister, nay I Rather, treat the women as you treat the jmen. We all bemoan these evils, but it is with them as v itli other human failings. We cannot be freed from their banefulness. merely by repressive action. Their roots are too deep seated for that. To raise the subject of their remedy, is to raise the whole subject of our marriage laws, and sex ie- lationship generally—and much more also. Evjfery man and woman of (the world knows to what a frightful extent the curse obtains, and knows also that police methods of repression have the effect chiefly of driv- ing it underground. And it is questionable if the last stage is not worse than the first. One of the preliminary steps to a solu- tion of the difficulty is—probably—"Votes for Women."—Yours, etc., I ANOTHER WOMAN.

NON-CHRISTIAN'S RETURN. (To the Editor of the "Herald.") Sir,—Apparently I have raised a hornet's nest about me. In her truly pious letter I' "A Woman" insinuates that I do not wish to have the names of certain people pub- lished because mine might be amongst 1 them. She says "Birds of a feather flock I together," and leaves your readers to judge 1 of ttye extent of my moral degradation. Surely she has seen men whose righteous- ness appears to them as shining as the noon- day sun consorting with people of no char- acter (as she would put it), and hence the motive for the simile. I am afraid it would be very haxd to separate the sheep from the goats, and the publication of a dozen or so names would not help very much towards this direction. I am really sorry for "One who is Sus- pected." He says that names are being freely bandied about, and possibly his amongst them. He is the victim of Chris- tian charity, for I would have you remem- ber that 'Holyhead has the reputation of being a highly religious town. "M. L." looks to the ministers to act as a moral barometer and wants a revival. Surely he is not ignorant of some of the effects of the last oite? No, sir, the Christian brothers and sis- ters of Holyhead are not anxious to shield the innocent from falee accusation. If they I did-Holyhead being a Christian town—we should not have any lying statements about people, and any person who had tried to pay off some personal grudge by making insinuations would be treated as he de- served. The outcry has been raised, I feel sure, not because of the immorality, but because it wa.;< committed in the midst of revolting conditions of dirt, drink and overcrowding. People feel creepy when they think of such fk house, but it if was a palace of luxury, and frequented by men who are well off. we should hear but little about it, and the men and women would be received into the best society in the district, and kow- towed to by everybody.—Yours, etc., WON CHRISTIAN.

A PLEA FOR CONSISTENCY IN PUBLIC MEN. (To the Editor of the Herald.") Sir,—To be consistent is not an easy task, judging from the controversy re the pub- lishing of the pensions' list in your papers. In a report of a meeting held on Saturday, I find that the Rev. Ceidiog Roberts and Mr. J. R. Pritchard feel strongly against giving publicity to the names of successful applicants for old age pension. Yet, in the very same report it states that they have skown their lists to friends with no restric- tions whatsoever. In my opinion, I cannot perceive any sound logic in protesting against you, as an editor, doing the very same thing as they did-showing your list to your friends, the public. Of course, we all know your friends are more numerous; but, even that does not alter the point, because it seems that if they had millions of them they would have had the priviledge of a look over." I do not blame them in the least for what they did; but in showing the list to their friends they have decidedly made their protest against the Herald valueless. The letters in your Post-bag are very interesting, although I fail to see any reason or objection raised for mot publishing the list in full. What Mr. Blythe says is simply clearing the way for publicity. On the whole, I think the public ought to thank you for what you have done; who- ever is too proud to see his or her name in such an honourable list, ought to be proud enough to abstain from applying for it.- Yours, etc. RADIUM.

NOT THE FIRST TO PUBLISH THE Lisrr. iTo the 'Editor of the Herald.") Sir,—Allow me to congratulate you upon the publication of the list of those who are eligible for old age .pensions. I was very glad to find certain names amongst them, for being an old Carnarvonite I known I many of them for the past 40 years. I do not understand why so much is made of the publication of the names by some sentimen- taHste. It shows that the committee are not ashamed of the world knowing the decisions they have come to in regard to .the appli- cants. In keeping these names secret the committee would have given no heed to the principle that wherever public money is in- volved everything should be dealt with openly. In this matter we have Liberal and il.adical stalwarts denouncing the commit- I tee and yourself for daring to publish the I names of these fortunate people. What difference is there between publish- ing this list in a newspaper anc( showing it to friends here and there? I happen to be one of the particular friends of a member, and I was privileged to see the list days be- fore you printed it. Therefore, you see, err, you were nofc really the first to publish I the list. Again thanking you for allowing us to peruse this list and for letting us know who the committee have deemed worthy of the Government's old age pen- sion, I am etc., Carnarvon. A WORKMAN.

PENSIONERS DELIGHTED. (To the Editor of the Herald.") gir^—A great deal. of fuss has been made because' you have published a list of old age pMuitRi'ttoipittU* v,' Twthill's chief ob- jection is that people will look down upon those •who receive 'the pension. I should like to know whose authority he has for making rfaqh a atatement. Win they be looked down upon by other people? I do not be- lieve it. There is nothing to be ashamed of, and it ought to give people a feeling of ■elf-respect, for any one who is entitled to a pension has managed to keep off the rates, which is no easy matter in these days. No; what has prompted Twthill to write is pride—excessive pride. + 44 Twthill" ought to be glad that the list was published, for it reflects great credit upon the recipients and their relatives that they have managed to live without relief from the rates. Why does any person re- oeire a pension? What qualification must he possess? In the Army, Navy, and W Service pensions are you champion, have also done a service to the State, and the State rewards them not in charity, but in gratitude. Are we to he ashamed of what we have earned? Are we to blush "because our thrift and morals are reaping thetr rswaTd? All pensioners I have met glory in the fact that they are in the list, «id thatl they have received a pat on the back cohpled with 44 Well done t thou good and faithful ser- vant! "-Yours, etc., «« NUNQTJAM

mMAL lomm AND TORY RiAiDIKXALJS. (To the, Editor of the "fierald.") g5r> £ frairikfly admit when I saw the firdt liot df old age pensioners I had some misigivintge as to the profprietty of publishing the list. On matuter reflection I wieh 6in- oerelv to congratulate the "Herald" papers on their bold aMemvpt to IbaIMish firmly in the pulblio mind tihiart, it is in no way a Btigmia to have been deemed worthy of a fpenaion. lDt surely will afford some guid- ance too to those whose claims have nrit) been admitited as to tfhe wisdom of pro- ceeding to appeal further. It. is certainly a Hittle ironical to see pro- fessed Rladioale of tlhe type of Mr _J. • Hughes and the Rev Oeidiog Al !f J. Jones Morris, Mr T. W. Griffith, and/ others advocating secrecy in this matter, whilst a professed Con&erviaitive like Mr lasaTd Davies uplhotlds the "Herald," in wftiialb is lundodbttedly a daring and telling Diasiteir-Strofce. I have lonig been of opinion that many of the members of our County Council wilio have been returned as Radacaila act on many occasions as if they were rabid Conservatives, while others who have been r unmed: as Conservatives act in the mofib Liberal spirit. Of the two give me a Con- servta/tave IWno acts as a Liberal rather than a Liberal who acts 819 a Tory.—Yours, etc., DEMOS.

A WOMAN'S OPINION. (To the Editor of the Herald.") Sir,—After reading last week's Herald," I am tempted to ask you to insert this short letter in you paper. The previous week, it was with pleasure I read the names of many of my friends in the list, and I felt it was an honour which they well deserved. Years ago education was not so cheap as it is now, and many of these people had led economical lives in order to give their children a sound training. As Mr. Lloyd George said the other day, education is the best investment possible," and in the case of these unselfish, parents, this statement is quite justified. Ila-ny of these worthy peo- ple will shortly receive pensions, and it is very much to their credit to have their names included in the list-they have done service to their country by making useful citizens of their children, and it is only fair I that they should get some reward. I see that some of the officials say that the publication of the Hst will prevent many from applying." This may be true of some stuck-up, ignorant people, and it is high time that this false pride should be done away with. One of your correspond- ents says that to publish the list was against the spirit of the Act." What IS against the spirit of the Act is to say that the pensioners are disgraced, as some people do. I am deeply thankful to you for making I such a firm stand for what is right. It is more of this spirit we want, and the sooner we get it the better. Since public money provides old age pensions it is only right, provides old age pensions it is only right, from the point of view of the pensioners themselves, the officials and the public gen- erally, that the list should be published.— I Yours, etc., I A WOMAN OF SIXTY-FIVE. -0

PROTEST AGAINiSiT SECRECY. (To the Editor of the "Herald.") Sir,I see tha4t you have been condemned1 for publishing the pensions list. Person- ally, I felt thait it is only right that these names should be published. What more !arm. I would, like to know, was it for the "Herald" to print the whole list in its- columns than for anybody to be shown the names? Further, I MIl tokl by a quarry- man (that he saw tlhe list in the "dinner oabin" one day. If the thing is private let a&, all be done privately, but I say that this will be a bad day for the Pensiorw, Act. Once let I tbis Adt be adniinietered, in a hole-and-corner sort of way under the guise of secrecy, it will spoil the whole thing.—Your, etc., LIVING IN EXPECTATION.

THE CANVASSING NUISANCE ATTITUDE OF CARNARVONSHIRE EDUCATION COMMITTEE. To the Editor of the "Herald." Sir,—The following may prove of interest to those of your readers who closely fol- low the proceedings of public bcodies:- "Schoolmaster," Oct. 17 Carnarvon Herald," Carnarvonshire Educa- Nov. 20. tion Committee. Carnarvonshire Educa. Teachers Wanted. tion Committee. Council Schools.—Cer- The Rev Ceidiog Ro- tificated: Llandudno berts moved that the Junction,'Head Master, members should vote by 2140; Trained Head secret ballot. Mistress for Infants', Mr Jones Roberts said E 100 (Kindergarten qua- that there had been a lifications essential). great deal of canvassing Direct or indirect can- in connection with this vassing a disqualified- appointment. tion. Mr Allanson Picton: The canvassing has been encouraged. The voting was pro- ceeded with the latter was thereupon de. clared appointed The Chairman gave his casting vote in favour of who was declared duly elected to the post- Such is the example set by an Educa- tion Authority that requires of its teachers that they shall teach the children under their charge, truthfulness, honour, etc. "Example is better than precept," or Codes of Regulations.—Yours, etc., MORALIST.

WANTED AN EXPLANATION MINISTERS AND TEMPERANCE AT HOLYHEAD. 1 (To the Editor of the cc Berard.") Sir,—I understand that last week a meet- ing was held at Holyhead of the Women's Temperance Association. The meeting took the form of an afternoon tea party, and in- vitations were sent to several men, promin- ent in the cause of temperance reform. The Rev. J. Glynne Davies, the secretary of "Cymanfa Gwynedd was also present, and the chief object of the meeting was to en- sure that Cymanfa Gwynedd should be held at Holyhead next year, and to make ar rangement for its reception. The ministers present, I am told, were very enthusiastic in their support of the invitation to Cymanfa Gwynedd." Now, there is in Holyhead, another tem- perance association for both men and wo- men. This association has also been con- sidering the advisability, of inviting Cy- manfa Gwynedd here next year. All the ministers of the town were invited to its meetings, and the association, conferred with, a sub-committee of the Women's Temper- ance Association, but, aft-er due deliberation, the association decided that it was unable to invite the cymanfa." The chief rea- son' why the association came to this con- clusion was the lack of support given to it, especially by the ministers of the town. At most, only about five ministers attended any of the meetings, and only three did so with any degree of regularity. Yet, in this meeting of last week, the min- isters, as well as the rest of those present, with the exception of one, listened without protest to a charge made by a member of the Women's Association, that the Temper- ance Association of Holtyhead had been ask- ed to co-operate with the Women's Associa- tion in inviting the Cymanfa," and that the Women's Association did not even re- ceive an answer to its letter. Now, I should like to ask: (1) Are the facts such as to warrant such a charge? (2) Are the major- ity of the ministers consistent in not attend- ing the meetings of .ne association, and ap- pearing enthusiastically and in numbers at the meetings of the other?—Yours, etc., PUZZLED.

THE CAUSE OF BAD TRADE LOOKING DOWN ON THE FARM LABOURER. (To the Editor of the "Herald.") —People a.Te continually saying that (tilings are bad, that trade is sladv, money and work difficult to obtain. And yet no one seems alble to tell why things are so. Some say it is because the Liberals are in power. Undoubtedly it is always the G0- vernment-whether Tory or Liberal-tbalb is to blame, not because of what they do, but because of wha4t they don't do. Oince we see things from, the night standpoint, we I can very eoon understand tihe cause of btad trade. We must firat, realise that tilling the soil is the fundamental work of man. That is the business of' his life, all eLse is play.. Every man. was at first a farmer (noit a gen. tleman farmer, butt a farm labourer). In, his spare time he began to carve, to maikei (musical iastrumentej war weapons, e>tio. Now these plav-things, building, printing, music, preaching, statesmanship, etc., have got the upper hand, and we look down oru tdW poor farm labourer as a mere muick- ehifter, while in reality it is tihe fanm- labourer thait keeps alive all the&e kid-gloved gentlemen. The reascxn of the bad trade is that we aire ovenbiurdenin'g the poar farmers. They can't support us all. Farm- in,g is the root and stem; and .all othea* trades and occupations are the branches. The one reail business, of life- is f-Uing the soil, the other trades, cva'rvs^ and occupa- tions are mere footiball-pla^ing. This is. hinted in the story ox the Garden of Eden. Man's natuital place is. in the Garden, but the eeTpent finds out, a lot cif wily way of making a soft living, l1ntJ at last the' farmerR have to leave Eden, nl all civilisa- tion tumbles down. 1,1. wa-s v. hy Ec-re Îelfl. Tihe land is to -n,-an as water if to the filh- it is his rest, his home, his co.Tim-union with God.—Yours, etc., BACK TO THE LASID.

MINISTER AND TENANT MR J. T. ROBERTS AGAIN REPLIES TO MR RICHARD ROBERTS. (To the Editor of the "Herald.") Sir,—It is llnfortuaate that Mr Richard Roberts's last letter, although written os- tensibly for the purpose of replying to my criticisms, contains no reference to the most important matter dealt with by me, viz., the disavowals made by .Mr Roberts in his client's interest on the one hand, and his letter to the Official Receiver on the other. It may be that the omission was accidental. 11 cannot reconcile the two sets of averments. but I am far from saying that Mr Ricliard Roberts will not prove equal to the occasion. The letter from the Rev J. Pryce Davies to Mr Roberts dated the 9th October, does not appear to be in the least relevent to the questioiis at issue in view of the letter written by Mr Roberts to the Official Re- ceiver on the 16th of the same month. The Rev J. Pryce Davies is stated in this letter to have given "definite instructions" of such a nature as to preclude the acceptance ot the Official Receiver's undertaking. Per- hap-" Mr Roberts will tell your readers what these definite instructions were. This would be much more to the point than citing a letter of earlier date. Again what took place between Mr R0- berts and the tenant before the institution of bankruptcy proceedings is equally im- material, but since Mi* Roberts attaches some weight to the interviews ( !) between him and the tenant, I propose placing your readers in possession of the facts as given to me by the tenant. I don't know the date at which the Rev! J. Pryce Eavies's visitor made his debut at Tyddyn Heilyn, but whatever day that was the tenant assures me that it was on the same day that he saw Mr Roberts and had his first and only interview with him. He further says that he never ordered or asked Mr Roberts to "proceed to sell at once." But let us see what the probabilities of the case are. The sale took place on the 17th October, and allowing that Mr Roberts carried out the instructions of the tenant with a little despatch-having as he tells your readers kept the bailiff in possession for several days in order to give the tenant a chance of finding the money-it wont be fair to say that the order "to proceed to sell at once" was given earlier in the same week. This is how the dates work out. October 9th: Mr Pryce Davies writes Mir Richard Roberts. October 10th (Saturday) Mr Roberts re- I ceives the letter. Mr Jtoneg, Bodaden, calls to consult me on ibehali of the ten- ant, when I advice bankruptcy proceedings and arrange with him for the tenant to call on Monday. October 11th: Sunday. October 12th: Tenant calls to see me soon after 9 a.m., and returns home to realise certain effects which were not at Tyddyn, Heilyn in order to raise money to file his petition. October 13th: Tenant again calls to see me when the bankruptcy petition is pro- j pared and filed. October 14th: Nothing done. October 15th: Some posters are put out announcing sale at Tyddyn Heilyn. October 16th: The rest of the sale posters are put out. Mr Roberts writes the Official Receiver declining his undertak- ing. October 17th Sale takes place. I erhap Mr Roberts will supply the date on which he received the tenant's instructions. I say emphatically that the bankruptcy petition was filed 2 days before the sale posters were put out. Mr Roberts attempts to prove that it is "neither unusual nor improper" to refuse the Officials Receiver's undertaking, by quoting another case in which I gather he did the same thing. This only proves that Mr Roberts does this kind of thing, not that it is usual or proper. As to the under- taking being a conditional one, Mr Roberts knows, or should know, that in his case, the claim being for Tent, the cbnditions imposed by the Act of Parliament to which he refers was to place him in no worse position than ha occupied after distraining uipon t'he effects, and it is a mere quibble to urge that the undertaking is a conditional one. With regard to the 'Ministers' Funds," I want to suggest that Mr Roberts should .prosecute his inquiries a. little 'further, and he may find out that thife Fundi has not always bee„ solely dependent upon the ministers' contributions. Yours, etc.. J. T. ROBERTS, Carnarvon, 27th November, 1908.

PWLLHELI PETTY SESSIONS A BATCH OF DRINK CASES. The fortnightly Police Court was heid on Wednesday, before the Rev J. C. Wil- liams-'Ellis, and other magistrates. John Gilgan, a stranger, was charged by P.O. 31, with having been drunk and dis- orderly on Abereixh Road. This being his first offence, he was fined 2s 6d and costs. Robert Owen Jones, of Nevin, was charged with having been drunk on licensed premises. Mr Cradoo Davies appeared for defendant.-P.C. Williams (51), Nevin, said he saw defendant, who was also the li- censee of the Bull Inn, Nevin, coming from the Nanhoron Shop, under the influence of drjinfy Later on in the day the officer visited the Bull Inn, and saw defendant seated in the kitchen.—The defendant said he was not drunk.—The Bench imposed a fine of 10s and costs. William Williams, of Llaniestyn, 21 years of age, was charged with using profane language.—Evidence was given by P.C. 49, who said the offence took place at Sara Fair.—P.C,. Thomas .(40) corroborated;.— Defendant did not appear in Court, he be- ing stated to have gone to South Wales. He was fined 20s including costs. Robert Owen, Rhosfawr, was charged with having been drunk and disorderly at Pwllheli. P.C. Thomas (65) said defen- dant was very drunk and abusive.—Several previous convictions were recorded against defendant, and he iwas r.frw fined 5s and costs or 14 days in default. William Hughes and Mary Thomas, both of Carnarvon, were charged with drunken- ness at the Pwllheli railway station on the 12th inst.—Marv Thomas was also charged with having been drunk in the town on the previous day.—Wm. Hughes was fined 10s and costs, and Mary Thomas was fined 18 and costs in each case. Davii Williams, a labourer, was charged with having been drunk and disorderly.— P.C. Thomas (65) gave evidence. Defen- dant said he -was working on the new iail- way station at Pwllheli, and was a native of Welshpool. This was his first offence in this respect. He was ordered to !,ay costs, and was allowed time to pay. Mary Jane Hughes, North Street, Pwll- heli, a married woman, was charged wth drunkenness, but did not appear in Court. The case iwas adjourned. Wm. D. Hughes, another Carnarvon man, was charged with having been drunk at Sarn Fair.—P.C. 49 said defendant was found in a hovel on the ground under the feet of li-r.,ef-Def--iidant did n-ot appear, and was fined 2s 6d and costs.

A hockey match w»s played on the Newry Field on Wednesday, between the Holy- head County School girls (\nd a girls'" "team from Llangefni County School. Mr J. M. Hughes, B.Sc.. was referee. The Holyhead team won a good game by four goa's t<t on..

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BIRTHS, MARRIAGES, & DEATHS BIRTHS HANKS—November 22, the wife of. Me Henry Hanks, 34, High Street, Carnar- von, of a son. HEARD—November 23, "t 24, Hole-in th* Wall Street, Carnarvon, the wife of Mr John Heard, of a daughter--dnt bom. MARRIAGES JON'ES—EVANS—November 20, at the Registrar's Office, by Air J. R. Jocee, registrar, Mr Robert Jones, High- titreetr- Clwtybont, to Miss Grace Ellen EvaMt California Terraoe, AJlwtybont. JONES—POTTER—November 20, at Bryn- gwyn Chapel, Llanrog, by Mr J. R. Jonea, registrar, Mr Samuel Jones, HengroesJon, Bryngwyn, Llanmg, to Miss Georøiaa Marie Magdalen Potter, Eioglish Church House, Saldhana Bay, and Hampden Villa, Cape Town, South Africa.. CABUZET—JONES—At the British ae. sulate, Lisbon, Portugal, on Monday 16th, November, Alfred B. Cabuzet, formerly of Holyhead, to Miss Katie Jones, second daughter of Mr and Mrs Jones, of Bod Ifor, and Victoria/ iHouse, 'Holyhead.— JONES—HUGHiES—November 24th, ia New York, by the Rev W. Merle Smith, D.D., and Rev C. P. Faquani, E.D., Herbert Wynne, elder son of J. R. Jones, 4, Grosvenor Terrace Liverpool, and late of Craigwen, Menai Bridge, to Jennetta Yale, daughter of. George H. Hughes, 20, Fifth Avenue, New York.— WRIGHT-MORGAN-Novembør. 24, o& Llanrhos, Llandudno, Mr Alfred Wright, Crewe, and Miss Elizabeth Ann Morgan, Queen's Road: Llandudno Junction. WILLIAMS—OWEN—On the 18th mat., at the Jerusalem Calvinistic. Methodic Chapel, Bethesda, by Mr D. Griffith Davies, registrar, Robert Williams, Station Road, Llysfaen, to Miss Grace Owens, 2, Tanygadlas, Bethesdav NICKSON—ANDREWS—November 14, at the Church of St. John, Buenos Ayrea, by the Rev H. de Turricroft, George Ber- nard, only son of Henry Nickaon, at Croesau, Talycafn, North Wales, to Winifred May, youngest daughter of the late Samuel Andrews, of Ainfcraej Live- pool, and of Mrs Frank Gerard,, of, Holm* Lea, Abbey Road, Llandudno. DEATHS. WILLIAMS—November 22, at 6,. Plaeliwyd Terrace, Bangor, MTS Ellen Williams, wife of Mr Richard Williams, late, of the Ship Hotei, Bangor. CHARLES-WILLIAMS—November 22, at Gwalchmai, Anglesey, in her Siss year, Margaret Charles-Williano, tha- beloaIt wife of the Rev Huglh Williams, and mother of the Rev T. Charles-Williams, M.A., Menai Bridge*. £ E%iend)fc Vbftft accept this intimation). WILLIAMS—November 18, at 93, Gwen- doline Street, Liverpool, in her 42Dd year, Margaret, the dearly beloved wife of Rodger Williams, and daughter of the late Llewellyn and Jane Williams, of Bangor, North Wales. Deeply regretted. HAWKEY-On the 21st m'nsb, at I Marian, widow of the late Colonel J. P. P. T. Hawkey, H.M.I.A., and daughter of the late Captain William Persft New- enham, R.N., aged 76. IN MIAMORLA-M. PURSE—In memory of Pollie, the beloved daughter of John and Elizabeth Perse, on the anniversary of her birthday, aged 17. Dearly loved by all. J-E.P.—•

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