Rhyl Journal

ST. ASAPH (FLINT) RURAL 1 DISTRICT COUNCIL. I I The monthly meeting of the above Council I was held on Friday at St. Asaph, Mr T Howes Roberts, J.P., presiding. The Widening at Pandy Hill, Dyserth. A letter was read from the Clerk to the Dyserth Parish Council relative to the proposed widening of the road at Pandy Hill, Dyserth. With regard to the request that the Parish Council should purchase land for the purpose, it was stated that that body had come to the conclusion that it had no power to purchase land, nor could it be compelled to carry out the much needed improvements. The District Council had power, in conjunction with the County Council, to do the work. The Clerk to the Parish Council referred the District Council to certain sections of the Act. The Chairman This chap is a splendid lawyer (laughter). Mr Geo. Williams I had a letter from him some time ago, but I did not answer it (laughter) The Clerk stated that he had never asked the Parish Council to purchase land for road widening purposes. He had merely asked them to ascertain whether the owners of property at the place would give the land. He had never suggested that the Parish Council should buy land. The Chairman W5 had better ask him if he understands English. Mr T Morgan hoped that the Council would endeavour to improve Pandy Hill way, as it was the worst bit of road in the district. It was decided to call the attention of the Parish Council to the contents of the District Council's previous letter. An Important Matter Deferred. Notice had been given of a motion to consider the question of repairing and re-opening the Green Lane near Rhyd, but in the absence of Mr R J Williams, who telegraphed that he was indisposed, the Council decided to defer the matter for the present. improvements at the Prestatyn Brickworks. A letter was read from Messrs John and Goronwy Jones, asking the Council to approve of a plan for the making of a tunnel underneath the roadway leading from Pen'rhwylfa to Meliden. Mr Geo. Williams explained that clay was being dug on the opposite side of the road to where the Prestatyn Brickworks were situate, and the owners were anxious to make a tunnel under the roadway so as not to interfere with the traffic, &c Mr Morris said he saw no objection to the Council giving the permission asked for if the work would not endanger the road in anyway. It was decided that the necessary permission be granted, subject to the work being carried out to the satisfaction of Mr Geo. Bell, the Council's Surveyor. Laid on the Table. The following communications were received and laid on the table Circular letter from the British Association of Waterworks Engineers in favour of the Water Supply of the United Kingdom being under the control of an independent Government Department and a letter from the Yeovil Rural District Council in favour of the amendment of the Light Locomotives on Highways Order, 1896. The Water Supply to Bodfary. The Clerk reported that he had been in com- munication with the Bodfary Parish Council relative to the improvment of the Water Supply at that village. In reply he had received a letter stating that at a meeting of the Parish Council held recently, Mr P. P. Pennant had attended and explained a scheme he had in hand for bringing a plentiful supply of water by gravitation from the highest ground above Bodfary. Dr Lloyd Roberts said it would be a great improvement to Bodfary if water works were. constructed on the ground above the village. It would be well to wait a little while before carrying out any other works if there was a possibility of Mr Pennant's scheme being carried out. It was decided to defer further considera- tion of the matter for the present. The Water Supply to Cwm. Mr Geo. Bell reported that the plans and all information relating to the proposed new source of water supply for Cwm were ready. He suggested that application for a loan of E700 should be made to the Local Government Board. Sanitary Affairs at Dyserth. It was reported that a case of diphtheria had occurred at Dyserth, but the patient had recovered. A special inspection of the public well had been made at Dyserth, when every- thing was found to be in a satisfactory con- dition. Rhuddlan Parish Council and Sanitation. Mr Geo. Bell stated that in consequence of a letter received from the Rhuddlan Parish Council he had made an inspection of the premises at the back of Tai Cochion, Rhuddlan. The result was that he had to apply to the Council for permission to serve on the owner of the property notice to carry out sanitary repairs and alterations. It was also necessary to serve a like notice on the owner of the Marsh Inn.—The necessary permission was granted. Slaughter Houses on the Borders of Rhyl. Mr Geo. Bell also reported that he had visited the slaughter houses on the borders of Rhyl, and had found it necessary to caution some of the occupiers against allowing offal to accumulate. Dr Lloyd Roberts stated that butchers erected slaughter houses just outside the boundary of the, Rhyl Urban District in order to escape the restrictions imposed by the Urban Council's byelaws. It was not right that slaughter houses should be without the restraining influence of good byelaws, and he suggested that the Rural District Council should adopt the byelaws in force in Rhyl, so that butchers crossing the boundary of the urban district would find that they had to work under like conditions in the rural district. It was decided that the Clerk and the Medical Officer of Health should frame bye- laws and submit them to the Council for approval before sending them to the Local Government Board for adoption. Improvements Wanted on the Marsh. It was reported that a case of typhoid fever had occurred in a house on the marsh at Rhuddlan, and that an inspection of the place had shown an unsatisfactory condition of things. The approach to the house was ankle-deep in mud, and there was a quantity of stagnant water about. The Medical Oflicer of Health suggested that the Rhuddlan Marsh Embank- ment Trustees should be called upon to have the ditches properly cleaned out. The Council gave the officials authority to 11 do what was necessary to bring about an n improved condition of things at that place.

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ST ASAPH BOARD OF GUARDIANS. ABSENTEE NONCONFORMISTS AND RELIGIOUS SERVICES. THE WORKHOUSE OVERCROWDED THE PRO- POSED ERECTION OF COTTAGE HOMES. The fortnightly meeting of the St Asaph Board of Guardians was held on Friday, Mr Llewellyn Jones (Rhyl), occupied the chair, and Mr T Howes Roberts (St Asaph), the vice-chair. The following guardians were also present Messrs J Pierce, J Kerfoot, John Williams, Abergele; H Jones, Bylchau Thomas Morgan, Cwm Edwin Morgan, Dy- meirchion Jos Roberts, Gwilym Parry, Den- bigh William Jones, Llannefydd George Williams, Meliden; Robert Davies, Prestatyn Robert Morris Mrs Rawlins, Rhuddlan Mrs Percy, Mr S Perks,j?Mr G F Gunner, Rhyl Miss Bennett, St Asaph Mr Thos Lloyd, Trefnant; and Mr Charles Grimsley, (Clerk). The Master's Report. The Master of the Workhouse reported that he had received 40 rabbits from Mr Jones, Llanerch Hall, and also a parcel of illustrated and other papers from Mr A Sheffield, Rhyl, for the use of the inmates. A pauper had been admitted to the Workhouse from Denbigh who had in her possession £16 and a box filled with goods. She had since died, and he had handed the money over to the Reliving Officer for the Denbigh District, who had also taken possession of the key of the house in which the deceased had resided before being removed to the Workhouse. He understood that the Guardians had paid the old woman more than 216 in out-relief. Another pauper had been admitted from Dyserth who had about 7s 7d in her possession. That sum had also been handed over to the Relieving Officer. The action of the Master was confirmed by the Board, and the Clerk was directed to advise the Reliving Officers as to how they were to act with regard to the belongings of deceased paupers. A vote of thanks for the gifts reported above was also passed. No Record of Visitors' Inspections. The Clerk called the attention of the Board to the fact that the Visiting Book had not been signed by any of the Guardians who had inspected the Workhouse since July 19th. The Chairman expressed the hope that Guardians would make a point of signing the book on every occasion on which they inspected the Workhouse. No One Present to Conduct Nonconformist Services. The record book containing particulars of the religious services held in the Workhouse was laid before the Board, and it was pointed out by.tl)e Clerk that on November oth and December 3rd there was no one present to conduct the Nonconformist morning services, and that on September 24th there was no one in attendance at the evening service. The Chairman asked if any member of the Board was prepared to move that the Secretary to the Nonconformist bodies be written to on the subject. The Vice-Chairman said he understood that a Committee was appointed to carry out all arrangements. He desired to know if the Clerk had a list of the Committee which carried out the arrangements in 1888. The Clerk replied that most of those appointed on the Committee had since left the district. The Vice-Chairman added that he under- stood that each of the Nonconformist bodies undertook to take a certain number of services. Mr Morris said he would like to know what bodies were responsible for the services on the Sundays when no one had attended. The Chairman remarked that he was sure that there was some misunderstanding on the matter. 0 Mr Robert Davies observed that the Sundays appointed by the Rhyl Welsh Wesleyan Circuit were down on the plan, so that there was no possible mistake by that bodyT The Master was called before the Board, and asked by the Chairman if he could say what body was responsible for the conduct of the services on the days mentioned. The Master: I do not enquire into these isms." The Chairman That is not the question. Who should have conducted the services on the dates mentioned ? The Master I think that two were Wesley- ans, and one a Calvinistic Methodist. Mr Moses Roberts, St. Asaph, is the secretary, and I will see him before the next meeting of the Board. Mr Robert Davies proposed, Mr J. Pierce seconded, and it was carried unanimously, that the Clerk write to Mr Moses Roberts on the snbject. The Overcrowding of the Workhouse. The Visiting Committee reported, through Miss Bennett, that they had considered the question of providing cottage homes for the children on the land belonging to Mr Luxmoore, adjoining the Workhouse. The Clerk had been in communication with the owner of the land, but Mr Luxmoore wrote that he would not be in St. Asaph for some time, and so was unable to meet a committee. It was recom- mended by the Visiting Committee that Mr Chas Grimsley should go to London for the purpose of interviewing the owner of the land, and coming to a clear understanding with him on the matter. Miss Bennett moved the adoption of the Committee's report. The Chairman Will anyone second that ? Mr John Williams I hope not. Mr Morris I will second it. Mr Gwilym Parry said he should like to clearly understand the position of the Board, and also to see the particulars of the instructions given to the Clerk. The Chairman pointed out that Mr Grimsley would only have power to negotiate with Mr Luxmoore, and report to the Board. It was not to be expected that the Clerk would be able to sign and seal a conveyance on behalf of the Board. Mr Luxmoore would be asked whether or not he was prepared to sell land to the Board for the purposes of extending the present buildings. Mr Gwilym Parry though that the Board could obtain that information without going to London for it. The Chairman did not agree with the last speaker. He was of the opinion that more business would be done with Mr Luxmoore by one interview than by writing a dozen letters. Mr Thomas Morgan Write a letter. The Chairman You know very well, Mr Morgan, that if you want to do any particular business with me, or anyone else, you do not usually write letters, but you come and see me, if p)sible. Mr Gunner said he woull support the Com- mittee, as he did not tinnk it was much use appointing committees if the Board did not accept their recommendations. The Vice-Chairman considered that on a matter of this kind it would be better to have an interview with Mr Luxmoore. Mr John Williams proposed that the matter be left in abeyance for a short time. He was opposed to any further expense, and was of the opinion that they could meet their requirements without purchasing one inch of land from any- body. He did not think that under the circum- stances it was necessary for Mr Grimsley to go to London at all. Mr Morris That is another matter alto- gether. I understood from what was said that you had agreed to purchase land. If you think that you can do without it, that is a different matter entirely. The Chairman replied that the real question the Board would have to decide was whether they were to ignore the Local Government Board entirely. They were told as plainly as could be that either 'they would have to build cottage homes away from the Workhouse, or else they would be called upon to extend the Workhouse buildings. Mr Davies considered that there was ample provision for the boarding out of the children without the Board going to the expense of 'erecting buildings. He understood that the Local Government Board would grant the Board about £1 per annum for each child boarded out, so that it would be far better to send the children away from the Workhouse altogether. Mr Pierce explained that the Committee had decided that the Board would be acting wisely if they erected homes near to the Work- house, and they had approached Mr Luxmoore with a view to purchasing a piece of the land in the front of the present building, but that was refused. They then reconsidered the mat- ter, with the result that they would ask Mr Luxmoore to sell some of the back land. Mr Thos Lloyd was of the opinion that Mr Luxmoore had showed clearly that he was not disposed to sell any of his land. Mr Morgan stated that it was considered by some that if the Board really intended to erect buildings, that the most suitable place would be the gardens at the rear of the Workhouse. It would be a pity to do away with the means of employment for the inmates, but he would prefer to build there than go to the expense of purchasing land outside the boundary. If, however, the Board felt that they were bound to build outside, then no doubt the land now referred to would answer admirably. Miss Bennett was of the opinion that the Local Government Board would strongly ob- ject to the Board taking away any of the garden. The Chairman did not think that Mr Lux- moore was against selling the land. Mr Morris said he felt that the Board should settle amongst itself whether they were to buy land or not. He did not agree with using up the garden, and besides that they might be able to settle the whole matter at little expense, and perhaps get the land at a nominal price, if Mr Grimsley went to London. The Clerk stated that Mr Bircham had told the Committee that under no circumstances would the Local Government Board permit the garden to be built upon. The only chance the Board had of being permitted to erect cottage homes near the Workhouse was by purchasing the land referred to. Mr Pierce observed that the drains of the Workhouse ran underneath the site in the gar- den where it was suggested buildings should be erected. The Vice-Chairman said it was a question whether the boarding out system was not to be preferred. Mrs Rawlins agreed with sending Mr Grims- ley to London to interview Mr Luxmoore. Mr Win. Jones seconded Mr John Williams' amendment. Mr Gunner asked the Board to say whether they would buy land or not. If there was a majority against spending money on purchasing land, it would be a useless expense sending Mr Grimsley to London on the Committee's recom- mendation. The Chairman said the Board had already re- solved to open negotiations with Mr Luxmoore and the Trustees of the Bodelwyddan Estate, as it was understood that land would be pur- chased. He ruled that the only question before the Board was whether Mr Grimsley should go to London or not. The Board divided, when it was decided by 10 votes to 7 to support the Committee's recom- mendatian. In reply to questionss the Master stated that there were 138 inmates in the Workhouse that day, although the building was supposed to accommodate only 132. The children's and women's side was overcrowded. Christmas Letters for the Inmates. At the request of the' Christinas Letter Society, permission was given for Christmas cards and letters to be sent to each inmate on Christmas Day. The War. A letter was read from the Poplar Union asking the Board to support a petition to the Local Government Board, asking that disabled soldiers and sailors, and their wives aiii chil- dren, should be provided for from a national fund, and not cast upon the rates as soon as private charity is exhausted. The Board decided to support the petition. The Church Army in the Workhouse. A letter was read from the Church Army asking permission to conduct a mission in the Workhouse in January. It was stated in the letter that the Church Army had already con- ducted upwards of 150 missions in WTorkhouses, and in every case had been requested to pay another visit within the twelve months. About 100 Workhouses were now being arranged for, and the services of missioners were offered free of charge for several days. Miss Bennett proposed that the Church Army be invited to hold a four days' mission, one day to be a Sunday. Mr Davies seconded, observing that he would readily support it, provided it was a Protestant mission. The Chairman I don't suppose there is any Ritualism about it. The motion was carried, and the Board then rose.

FOOTBALL NOTES. On Saturday the Rhyl Reserves met Holywell in the first round of Soaines' Cup. There was hot a very large attandance, and the game was not of an exciting character. Holywell had the best of the preliminary exchanges and succeeded in securing the first goal. It resulted from a corner, and within a few minutes a second goal was scored by the visitors, but was disallowed as being offside. Soon after this the local forwards had a capital run up, but they were checked by a foul in front of goal. The referee awarded a penalty, which Durcan realised by a beautifully placed shot. Half-time arrived with the score standing I-I. Rhyl took up the pressure on the restart, and for a time looked dangerous, but they were unable to score, although Durcan made several very good attempts. The game for the last half-hour was of a kick and dash character, there being little passing or combination shown. Just before the finish, however, Holywell scored, thereby winning the match by 2 goils to 1. The Combination team were defeated on Satur- day by 3 to 2 at Bangor. Next Saturday there should be a good match at Rhyl, as there will be a visii; from the Aberdare Club, who will meet the Rhyl United in the third round of the Welsh Cup. Rhyl are fortunate in having to meet such a club at home, and there should be a good gate. A capital match is anticipated, and the play will be worth seeing if the ground is in anything like condition. On the 23rd inst Rhyl will have Llandudno at Belle Vue grounds as opponents, and there is certain to be a good match, as it is a combination fixture.

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RHYL URBAN DISTRICT COUNCIL. THE WATER TOWER QUESTION APAiii SHELVED FOR THE PRESENT. THE COUNCIl. DECIDE TO CO IN FOR AN ELECTRIC LICHT SCHEME AND DUST DESTRUCTOR. LOANS AMOUNTING TO L26,241 APPLIED FOR. The monthly meeting of the Rhyl Urban District Council wat held on Monday afternoon in the Council Chamber, Town llall. In the absence of the Chairman, Mr J S Greenhalgh (Vice-Chairman) presided, and there were also present the following Captain E W Keatinge, Dr R Moreton Prichard, Dr W T Girdlestone, Messrs E P Jones, J H Eilis, P Mostyn Williams, Thos Whitley, Jos A Williams, H A Tilby, J Frimston, J W Jones, C W Berrie, Robert Jones, A Maltby, Mr A Rowlands (Town Clerk), Dr Eyton Lloyd (Medical Officer of Health), Mr Robert Hughes (Consulting Engineer), Mr L G Hall (Gas and Water Manager), Mr R J Hughes (Sanitary In- spector), and Mr A A Goodall (Town Sur- veyor). The Chairman and the Attacks upon Him by Councillors. On taking the Chair, Mr J S Greenhalgh said he regretted that Mr Clews was unable to be present, as he did not feel fit to occupy the chair that afternoon. In fact, he would not have attended that meeting had it not been for the personal and libellous statements made at the last Council meeting. He had come there that day to defend himself,but he was unable to enter into the matter at that meeting. He would not drop it, as it had gone forth to the public. He would not allow any member of the Council, or any Committee with which he was connected, to be traduced, libelled, or perse- cuted (Hear, hear.) He would defend himself before the public at the proper time, but would drop the matter that day, as the Chairman of tne Uouncu was not present. lie ciainiect tne sympathy of the Councillors in helping him to get through the business as quickly as possible. Vote of Condolence with Lord Salisbury. The Chairman said he felt that they would all join with him in performing what he con- sidered to be a national duty. One of the greatest statesmen England had ever know had recently lost his partner in life. The bereave- ment had come at a time when no prime min- ister, except Lord Salisbury, had had to dis- charge such important and responsible duties. He thought that the Council should pass a vote of symprthy and condolence with Lord Salis- bury in the great loss he had sustained. Mr C W Berrie seconded, and it was unani- mously carried. The Vala Road Bridges. The Surveyor reported that in all probabil- ity one portion of Vale-road bridge, as altered, would shortly be open for traffic. Capt Keatinge asked if there was any in- formation to hand as to when the new bridges would be completed. The Surveyor replied that the Railway Company were pushing on matters as quickly as possible, but up to the present they had experienced great difficulty in getting masons. Mr Joseph A Williams considered that the Council should know definitely what the Company intended doing with the High-street approach toE the Vale-road bridge. He pro- posed that the Chairman of the Road Com- mittee and the Surveyor should wait upon the Engineers to arrive at a definite understand- ing. Mr J W Jones seconded, and it was carried. Equal Treatment AS5 Round. Mr Berrie said he noticed that at the last meeting of the Council the Surveyor had compelled a certain builder in Buttcrton-road to put a hoarding in front of the buildings he was cresting in Butterton-road. Since the last meeting other houses had been commenced in the same street, by a Councillor, and he wanted to know whether he was to be com- pelled to erect hoardings. He did not think that it was necessary, but as one builder had been made to carry out the bye-laws, it would be interesting to know whether all builders were to be served alike. The Surveyor I shall ask him to put up hoardings, the same as the others. The Dearth of Macadam. The Surveyor reported having visited the quarries at Penmaenmawr, with a view to hurrying forward the delivery of macadam. He found that the delay was caused by the Rail- way Company neglecting to send sufficient trucks, but the quarry owners had promised to hurry matters forward, and macadam was now arriving. tl* The Lake.-Ci,eat Slaughter of Fish.-The Valves fixed the Wrong Way The Road Committee recommended that the footpath at the east end of the Marine Lake be asphalted at a cost of about C4,3, the work to be done in April, and the money paid out of the balance of loan, any deficiency to be made up in next year's estimates. ( A letter was read from Mr Wm. Hudson complaining of the action of the Council in let- ting all the water out of the lake. He stated that a large quantity of iish had been released, and the workmen had been helping themselves. Mr Robert Jones considered that Mr Hudson had just cause for complaint, as the water had been let out until it stood at a very low state. He understood that the outlet was to be dammed and the valves repaired, but instead of doing that the lake was emptied. It was reported that about half-a-ton of fish had been taken out, and that hundreds of small fish had been found lying dead on the banks. The Chairman hoped that the Council would take advantage of the low state of the water to thoroughly overhaul the lake. The Surveyor replied that he had found it impossible to dam the place effectually, as the brickwerk was leaking. The valves were found to be useless, and had been fixed the wrong way. With regard to the fish, he considered that Mr Hudson was to blame, as had he carried out the undertaking given nothing wrong would have occurred. He (the Surveyor) arranged that the water should be let out at 5 a.m., and Mr Hudson undertook to let in more water about 10 o'clock. Capt. Keatinge observed that a very serious state of things had been reported. He did not suppose that they had had children working for them. It was an extraordinary state of affairs when valves were found to have been put in the wrong way about, and lie asked Mr Robert Hughes for an explanation. Mr Robert Hughes stated that he was not responsible for that work. Mr Baldwin Latham and Mr Lane Brown had had to do with the lake. It was decided to refer the matter to the Road Committee to be dealt with by that body. The Foryd Bridge. The Surveyor having reported as to the con- dition of the Foryd Bridge, the Town Clerk was directed to consider the name, and to advise the Council as to the steps to be taken. Donkey Shed on the Sands. It was decided that provision be made in next year's estimates for improving the donkey .shed on the sands at a cost of about £1:. Back Passages After consideration of a report by the Sur- veyor on the condition of the passages at the back of Ernest and Sisson Streets, it was de- cided to call upon the owners to put the same in proper order. New Sewer for Crescent Road. It was reported that plans for a new sewer in Crescent Road had been 1 lid before the Road Committee, but the work was ordered to be dtf.'rred for the present, and to be included in the next sewerage loan. West Promenade Extension. It was resolved that the Engineer be instruc- ted to obtain tenders for asphalting the new portion completed, and the Council gave power to the Committee to order the work to be done. Mr Robert Hughes submitted his revised i estimate for an extension of 140 yards, total, £ 2,900, and it was decided that the revised estimate at JE2,900 bo approved. Mr Hughes was instructed to prepare plans, &c., to accom- pany the proposed agreement with Messrs Sutcliffe and the application for loan to the Local Government Board, in sections, viz., (1) for an extension of 140 yards (2) for a further extension to the end of Foryd field, about 160 yards. He was also instructed to prepare plans, &c, for a further section (3) to connect the new road with Wellington Road at Foryd. It was also decided that the following basis of agreement with Messrs Stiteliffe (1) Application to be made by the Council for approval of the proposed works and sanction to loan by the Local Government Board forth- with, for both sections (2) section 1 to be proceeded with as early as possible in the spring of 1900, Messrs Sutcliffe paying to the Council at the rate of forty per cent. of the actual cost— £ 100 on account on the signing of the agreement, and A;400 on obtaining sanction to loan—the rest as the works proceeds on certificates by the Engineer (3) Section 2 to be proceeded with within three years of the date of sanction to loan—Messrs Sutcliffe to pay to the Council at the rate of forty per cent. of the actual cost— £ 400 on account one month before the commencement of the works, and the rest on certificates of work done by the Engineer (4) Messrs Sutcliffe, in addition to money contributions, to give absolutely to the Council the quantity of land belonging to them required for the purposes of the works Mr Berrie asked whether it was distinctly understood that the owners of the adjacent property would contribute 40 per cent of the actual cost of the new work, and that no defi- nite sum had been fixed. Mr Eilis replied that that was so. More Lamps Wanted. It was annouced that a small committee had been about visiting the dark corners of the town, and that they would recommend the Council to fix additional lamps in certain places. Councillor Greenhalgh Advocates a Public Park. The Road Committee reported that they had instructed the Town Clerk to make inquiries as to the price of a piece of land on the old Win- ter.Gardens site for making a public park, as suggested by Mr J S Greenhalgh. Gas Matters. On the report of the Gas Committee being brought forward, Mr Whitley asked whether it was a fact that the Council had not risen the price of coke, notwithstanding that the price of coal had advanced. The Gas Manager replied that the Council rose the price of coke before coal advanced, so that they were ahead of the coal dealers (laugh- ter). Dr Girdlestone complained of the poor quality of the gas supplied of late. Captain Keatinge also said that the supply in the East End was not what it should be. The Gas Manager replied that the illumina- ting power had been well maintained during November, but it had gone down a little since then. He was doing all he could to keep up the power. The cause of the defective supply in the East End was the insufficiency of the mains, and nothing could be done until the new pipes were received from the founders. The monthly report was as follows Gas made, 3,779,900 cubic feet, coal carbon- ized 377 tons gas made per ton of coal carbonized, 10,013 cubic feet gas delivered, 3,764,200 cubic feet; corresponding month last year, 3,445,100, increase 319,100, equal to 9"2 per cent. The average illuminating power of the gas supplied during the month was equal to 17 "64 sperm candles. Foryd Field Sewer. It was reported that a letter had been re- ceived from Messrs Sutcliffe with reference to an alleged deviation of line of sewer through Foryd field, and asking what had been done as to its removal to another position, so as not to interfere with the proper laying out of their land for building purposes. The Council resolved that they be informed that whatever deviation took place was author- ised by the owner of the land and to point out to them that they themselves are proposing to deviate from the line of new street shewn on the plan on the agreement between the Council and the owner, thus causing the difficulty they are complaining of. Also, to state that the Council are not disposed to entertain the pro- posal to remove the sewer from its present situa- tion. Foreshore Entertainments. The Council decided to refuse an applica- tion for permission by a troupe of pierotts to perform on the foreshore Train Service. A letter ;was read from Mr Dent, replying to the Clerk's letter asking for a late train from Llandudno .Junction to Manchester, stating that, although it would be a convenie nce to some of the public, there is at present not sufficient traffic to justify the Company in- curring such increased mileage as would be involved. The question shall, however, he adds, be borne in mind when they next alter the service. The Water Tower Question Shelved for the Present. The Water Committee recommended that application be made to the Local Government Board for sanction to loans as follows, for such periods for repayment as they may deem just to fix, viz. :—Melin Meifod Syphons, £ 1050 GJascoed Filter Bed, £ 1450 Melin Meifod pumping station, £ 610 New Mains- Abergele to Pensarn, :C:)4.0; Glascoed to St Asaph, C820 New Streets in Rhyl, R1171 New Meters 9200 Tap and Meter Testing Apparatus, £ 30 Legal expenses and contin- gencies, £ 50 Total £ 5721. Mr Berrie proposed tho following motion which had been before the Water Committee but was left undecided That in view of there being no immediate'necessity for the erection of the Water Tower, the Council make application to the Local Government Board for permission to apply the money in hand for it, viz., £ 3286, to other purposes to be named in the proposed application for a new loan." Mr Thomas Wlntley seconded. Captain Keatinge said they had taken up a position on that Council that they were skilled engineers, and that they occupied positions in the engirejring world far above Mr Deacon, the gentleman from Wroxham, and one or two others. It was said when they applied for the loan, that it was absolutely necessary that they should have the water tower in order to get a proper supply. The evidence given at the in- quiry was not stronger than it could be if they went into the matter again. They had talked about going in for a new reservoir, yet they would not do the very thing which would pre- vent waste. For the sake of financial consider- ations they did not consider the tower a neces- sity. The Water Engineer had told them time after time that a water tower was necessary for the success of the scheme. He had grave doubts whether the Local Government Board would consent to what was now proposed. It was the Committee which wanted to thwart the scheme, but he thought that the honest way to deal with the matter was to return the money il they did not want it for the water tower. Is the, Captain Keatinge replied that that was not so. Mr P. Mostyn Williams supported the view taken by Captain Keatinge. lie did not think that they would be acting wisely to go against the expressed views of the engineers who had been called in to advise the Council. He agreed with Captain Keatinge as to the position which the Local Government Board would take up. The engineer who conducted the inquiry was an expert, and lie went thoroughly into the matter. It was proved that it would be wise to have a compensating tank or tower for Rhyl. It seemed to him that they were overlooking the waste which was going on day by day in Rhyl, and that they were not aware that since they laid the now main to Rhyl there had been an in- creased consumption of about 20,000,000 gal- lons in the year. He attributed that largely to the irregularity of the pressure, which varied from 180 feet at night to about 40 in the day- time. Valves were very little use when the pressure varied so much, and there was a great deal of waste going on. Inspection could not prevent it, and they had to remembor that in three years they had had an increase waste of about 50 per cent. What did that mean to Rhyl ? What could they value that waste at ? Supposing that the compensating tank saved 10,000,000 gallons per annum valued at Is per 1000- Mr Tilby It was a penny the other day. Mr Mostyn Williams replied that it was not necessary to explain a childish thing like that. He could explain it if he chose to do so, and he was surprised that Mr Tilby should raise such questions. He had said that if they had 40,000,000 gallons in the new lake running to waste they could supply it at a Id per 1,000 gallons. Mr Tilby pointed out that there was a differ- ence in dealing hypothetioally with questions and in making assertions, as had been done. Mr Mostyn Williams said he considered that if they could prevent waste in Rhyl they would not require a second reservoir at Llan- nefydd. If they could save and store in the lake the wasted 13,000,000 gallons by the end of the season there would be no fear of a water famine. He contended that if they had a compensating tank they would save the water which now went to waste. Mr Whitley asked where the waste was going on. Mr Frimston What has become of Deacon's meters ? (laughter). Mr Whitley added that if the waste was as much as Mr Mostyn Williams made out the staff was neglecting its duty. If it was found that low pressure fittings were put in houses the Council should insist npon their being removed, and replaced by high-pressure taps. He was sure that owners of houses were only to ready to alter the fittings if they were served with a notice. It was asked what had become of the Deacon meters, and he was told that they were rusting in the ground. He did not think that there could be as much waste as had been stated. Mr Mostyn Williams said his veracity had been questioned, but he was prepared to prove what lie said. Mr Hall stated that the figures as to waste could not be denied, because the pressure varied so much. In reply to further questions, Mr Hall. said that the pressure was excessive all the year round between midnight and 5 a.m. With regard to the waste, he had to say that they were not able to deal effectually with it be- cause they were not able to make their bye- laws retrospective. They could not compel a person to get a new tap, but they could put a new washer on an old one. It was not true that owners as a rule co-operated with the Council, as although dozens of notices were regularly sent out, people would not carry out the Council's wishes except at the bayonet's point. Mr Tilby said he proposed to deal in the first place with what had been said by those on the other side. The statements by Mr Mostyn Williams might be a performance of financial jugglery, or of a statistical acrobat, but they were not arguments which would conduce to the welfare of the Council, or of the ratepayers generally. They had bad the opinion of engi- neers, but in matters of that sort there was such a thing as local knowledge. He had read the reports to that Council, and also those made to the old Board of Commissioners. In 1893 Mr Deacon said that little more was necessary to perfect their watsr supply, Would anyone endorse that opiniou that day? They would agree with him that since 1893 a great deal had been found necessary to perfect their supply. Although the old company wanted to raise £ 25,000 to put the works in order, it was said in 1893 that it could be done for 125,000. Expert engineers had told them years ago that the waste was nearly suppressed, but not a word was said as to a new reservoir until eighteen months after the report to which he had referred. It was once said that if they had a tower that a new main would not have been necessary, but would anyone now endorse the views of those experts ? Mr Mostyn Williams had referred to the increased consumption of water, but if they had not intended that the people should have more water, why did they by a new main ? Expert advise was all very well, but local ex- perience in such matters taught them a great deal more. A water tower might be desirable, but, like many other luxuries, it was not abso- lutely necessary at the present time. The pressure was said to be too great, but they had had no complaints of a defective supply since they had had the new main. If what Mr Hall said was true as to the great waste going on, he was guilty of a great lack of duty in not plainly telling the Water Committee the real facts. It was necessary to have another reser- voir, but if the gentlemen who had spoken in favour of the tower were of the opinion that it was a necessity why had they not raised their voices in its favour during the past four years. Capt Keatinge and Dr Girdlestone protested against that statement. Both contended that they had urged the water tower for years, Capt Keatinge saying he had brought it up as a stand- ing dish until he was tired. Mr Tilby said he would accept the explana- tions of individual Councillors, but he consider- ed that they should have made their voices sufficiently heard as to make the Council do the work. It was not right that they should keep this money in hand and borrow more, having to repay principal and interest without having had any use of the sum borrowed for the tower. Captain Keatinge asked Mr Tilby to be hon- est and to tell the ratepayers that they had not one penny of the money borrowed for the tower in the bank that day. It was gone long ago, and the ratepayers should not be made to believe that they were paying interest on use- less money. Mr J W Jones said that they would have to find the money when it was required. Captain Keatinge replied that they would have to get a fresh loan. Mr Tiiby said he was struck dumb with the audacity of the Chairman of the Finance Com- mittee (Capt. Keatinge) and the Ex-chairman (Mr Mostyn Williams). The money was borrowed, and was used for other purposes. If they built the tower they would have to get the money from somewhere. He asked the Council to say that the tower was not now necessary. Mr J W Jones pointed out that the tower proposed to be erected would not hold a week's supply, as was thought at one time, but would yield enough for three hours con- sumption. He did not consider that it was wise, in view the financial condition of (the town, to spend the money in luxuries. The auditor had told them that they would have to put their loans right, and that meant that they would have to borrow money to repay that spent on something different to a water tower, Dr G irdlestone considered the water tower a necessity, but he would rather that the Council made sure of a second reservoir. It was a great mistake on the part of the rate- payers to refuse to allow the Council to obtain. powers for the new reservoir. There was » large increase of waste, but the additional con- sumption was due in a large measure to this improved sanitary condition of the town. Mr E P Jones did not think it would bo wise at the present time to spend so much on ,t in-atur tower. Mr Joseph A Williams advocated the se- curing of an additional reservoir before going in for a compensating tank, as Rhyl was grow- ing very rapidly. Mr Ellis said that since the new main was laid they had a perfect water supply, out lw thought that they should defer applying to the Local Government Board until they were ready t) ask for a loan for the second reservoir. Mr Llobert Jones said that the Council had obtained better advice from their own staff than from expert engineers who had received big

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