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PRESTATYN SCHOOL BOARD. THE PROPOSED NEW SCHOOL. LIVELY DISCUSSION. The monthly meeting of the Prestatyn School Board was held at the Council Offices, Stafford Buildings, on Wednesday. There were present-Mr. G. 0. Jones (chairman), Rev. F. Jewell (vice-chairman). Messrs. Peter Ellis, W. H. Coward, and John Pritchard, with the Clerk (Mr. John Hugbes), and the School Attendance Officer (Mr. E. H. Parry). At a special meeting of the Board the Chair- man asked for the report of the Sub-Committee which had been appointed at a previous meeting to inspect and make inquiries, as to a site for the proposed new school The Committee had inspected four sites abutting on the Marine Road, and they unanimously approved of the site adjoining the Wesleyan Chapel °wne £ by Mrs. Hunt. It was proposed by Mr. Peter Ellis, seconded by the Rev. F. Jewell that the clerk be directed to secure the plot of land situate in Marine Road and offered by Mrs. Hunt for the sum of £510. It was further resolved that Mr. W. Thomas, architect. Prestatyn be requested to prepare plans of the school. Mr. Thomas was called in and asked his term- and he said he was prepared to tnrry the whole thing through at a charge of three per cent. on the cost of the works, and these terms were accepted. It was resolved that Mr. F. Jewell be engaged to offer the present school premises for sale the proceeds to be devoted towards the cost of the new school, possession to be given when the new school is ready. The architect was instructed to prepare plans of a building to accommodate 300 children at a cost of not exceeding £1500. At a subsequent meeting Mr. Thomas submitted plans and it was resolved that they be sent to the Board of Education for their approval. Mr. W. H. Coward Has there been a formal order from the Board of Education directing the building of new schools. The Chairman No order has been received but we have been requested to submit plans. Mr. Coward: You are moving a little too fast. If no order has been received what are you working on ? The Chairman: We are working on the in structions of the Board of Education. Mr. Coward: Instructions must mean an order. The Chairman There is no formal order. Their instructions are explicit enough. We have been told repeatedly to prepare plans. Mr. Coward It was in the papers last week that a question was asked by Mr. Yerburgh as to whether an order had been made and Sir John Gorst said there was no order. The Chairman: He was quite right; there was no formal order. Mr. Coward Then are you in order in going on with the purchase of the ground befoi e getting the order- The Chairman: We are going on their in- structions to prepare plaus- Until we know iwhere the building is to be put and we secure the site we cannot prepare plans. We have been instructed repeatedly to prepare plans. Mr. Coward: Can you produee instructions signed by the Chairman of the Education Board. The Chairman:. They are signed by the secretary. Mr. Coward If you were ordered to pro- vide a new school the instructions would be signed by the Chairman. As you have not had that order thete is no necessity to proceed The Chairman: In the reply they made to the Managers of the National School the Board of Education say that they instructed us last February to prepare plans that we ;.Dave not got sufficient accommodation in our present school. Mr. Coward: In my mind Sir John Gorst is placed in a very awkward position. He says that no order has been given. It has gone forth that an order has been given and he denies it. It is placing him in a very awkward tposition. This matter will crop up again, no doubt, in the next session of parliament. The Vice-Chairman: There is no difficulty at all about it. It seems to me to reduce itself to a question of what are we to understand by an order. Sir John Gorst was right when he 15aid that there .never has been a command. But if you will read the correspondence you "Will notice that the Board of Education take it for granted that we are willing to build a new school and they therefore take that as sufficient ground to go upon. Knowing that we were willing to do so without their issuing an order they communicate with us and say that we are at once to send them plans of the proposed new school. Mr Coward: I am taking the common sense new of it If there is no order from the Board of Ebucation you cannot demand their support, and they can refuse to approve of your plans. It seems to me that your position in regard to the Board of Education is very much like that of a man who has bad a bill for work which he has never ordered. The Vice-Chairman They have at all events encouraged us to go forward. If there was a disposition on the part of the Education De- partment to hinder us from building a new school they would have shown it. But it is at their promptings that we are going forward. Mr Coward That is not a direct order. The Vice-Bhairman: We don't need it. The Chairman: The discussion is entirely out of order it has all been decided- Mr. Coward: There is no use rushing the the thing. I have seen an aocount of what has taken place in Parliament, and that is my reason for calling your attention to it, and in wanting to know whether there is a formal order from the Education Department. The Chairman: No, certainly not no form- al order- Mr. Coward: Then, I think you are out of order in going going on with the works and purchasing tLe ground. You arEtplacing SIr .John Gorst iu a very awkward position. The Vice-Chairman: Sir John Gorst will no doubt be able to look after himself he seems very happy in the matter. A direct order is a command to do a thing- We have not had that. But we have their permission because we have their co-operation and their instructions to send plans and we are waiting for their approval of those plans. We shall hear by and by how things are going on. That is better than a direct command, because we are willing to meet the growing demands of the locality. Mr. Coward That has been discussed be- fore. If the Chairman has ruled me out of order, he ought to rule you out of order for going over that ground again. We are placing ourselves in a wrong position in purchasing the ground and doing all this preliminary work before we get an order.. The Vice-Chairman I don't wish to cover the ground over again. I was only trying to help Mr. Coward to understand the Board's position. The Chairman Are you satisfied that we have had correspondence with the Board of Education in which they ask us to prepare and submit plans. Mr. Coward: f have not seen it. The Chairman: It has been read in the minutes to-day. Mr. Coward If it was read in the min- utes I suppose it has been passed. The ques- tion is has it come in the usual way. The Chairman: It has come in the usual way. The Chairman: It has come in the usual way signed by the secretary of the Department Mr. Peter Ellis: Mr Coward eighteen months ago wanted a new school, and now he ha3 turned right around. Mr. Coward: Nothing of the sort. The Vice-Chairman: Mr. Coward 'was will- ing for us to purchase the National Schools. I don't see what is the difference between purchasing a second-hand school and building and new school. # Mr Coward I was never willing for you to purchase a second hand school. What 1 wan- ted was that there should be only one school for the district. The National School is quite sufficient for all the children in the district It would have gone through except for the feel- ing that the Vicar was at the head of it as you yourself said at the last meeting. J The Vice-Chairman Mr. Coward suggested that we should ask the managers of the Nat- ional School to transfer their school to the Board. I don't suppose they would hand over the school to us without charging something for it; and that means an expenditure of money does it not? Mr. Coward: The National School can be used by all the children in Piestatyn without the ratepayers spending a penny. The Chairman: Yes, as a Church of En- gland School- Mr Coward Yes; that is where it comes in Your objection is that the Vicar is at the head of it. I protest against the proceedings going any further until ir John Gorst has given an order. The Vice-Chairman: It is a pity that Mr. Coward does not attend the proper meetings of the Board instead of waiting for two or three months. Mr Coward: There has been no meeting until this one after the questions were asked in the House of Commons. The Chairman That makes no diffeience at all. The Vice Chairman We could not wait for the House of Commons we bad our own business to attend to. Mr. Coward: We could not come here and say what, Sir John Gorst had said until he said it. The Vice-Chairman: A-Ad we did not know that he was going: to be asked any questions. We have our own husiness to attend to, and cannot manage the House of Commons. 'f be Chairman This discussion is quite out of order. In what, we hare done so far we are quite in order as we are acting under the instructions of the Board of Education. There is plentv of cor- respondence to fhow that. You as managers of the National Schools have eeen some of the corres- pondence. In their reply to you the Board of Eduction "av most dit tinctly that they quite ap- Drove of this Board frying in for a new school on another site. That is in answer to your own petition. Mr Coward: That is what I am asking for I want to know where you are. The Chairman: Read your own correspondence. They tell you direct that they quite approve of the School Board building a new school on a new site You don't road your own correspondence Mr Coward Don't get excited. The Chairman: I am not getting excited. Mr Coward: I want it rec)rded on the minutes f that I protest against theso proceedings going on t as regards purchasing the land until we are placed in a proper position as regards th: or la The Vice-Chairman: I suggest that we sro on with our own bu^im ss and let the House'of Com- nmna manage theirs. Mr. Coward They will manage their own busi- ncss. The Chairman then read the correspondence from the Bo-ird of Education. In a letter sent in February the Board of Education sanctioned certam stiuctural alterations of the school, which they would continue for three years after which time they expected a new school would be provided. Mr. Coward: That is quite sufficient to shew that it is the School Board who are taking action in this matter without a direct order. The Chairman If there is no formal order we are acting directly on their instructions. Mr. Coward: I am satisfied The Vice-Chairman: So we are. The Chairman: Our friends the National School managers have written.— Mr. Coward: I don't want to get on your nerves Bit. Chairman. The Chairman You are not getting on my nerves. So long as you have raised this question I want to point that thi- communication of the National School managers is not correct. Mr. Coward: You have got to prove that. The Chairman: They state, U We are informed that an order has been issued for new school premises," and then they they go on and say, "In answer to the application of the School Board for our school I say we never applied for their school' and I am surprised that four gentlemen should put their names to a statement so entierly inaccurate. They are the Rev. Thomas Price, Mr. R. C. Walsby, J.P., Mr. T. J Scott, and Mr. \V. H. Coward, T.p. Mr. Coward You have got to prove that. You are going out of your place in making that suggestion. If you are going to tread on my corns I will have it out. You will have to prove that we have made an inaccurate statement. The Chairman We are going to prove it now, and I will ask the Clerk to read a copy of the letter which he sent to the managers of the National school. The Clerk read the letter which was as follows :— At a meeting of the Prestatyn School Board held yesterday, a communication was read from the Board of Education diiecting that new school buildings should be provided by the board. In the course of the discussion it was intimated that possibly the managers of the national school might be pre- pared to transfer their schools to the board. I am directed to communicate with the managers to respectfully inquire what their views are upon the matter The Chairman: I should like to ask how is that to be construed into an application for the school ? The Vice-Chairman Is that the so called applica- tion to bring the thing? The Chairman: Yes. Mr. Coward You applied to them to transfer the school to you. The Vice-Chairman: We did not apply for a transfer. We merely ask them was it correct what Mr. Coward said that they might be prepared to transfer the school. Mr Coward: I only repeated to the managers what the board asked me. The minutes do not contain what I said. The Vice-Chairniah I am afraid you hardly know yourself what you did say. Mr. Coward The application was as to whether the school could be used for the purpose of a School Board and I submitted that to them, but your com- munication was that the freehold of the school should be transferred to you. That was impossible as the freehold is not vested in the managers. We are there as managers onl y.o work the schools. We cannot control the freehold and therefore it was im- possible that I should say that we were prepared to transfer the freehold to you. The Vice-Chairman: There is the minute, you cannot go beyond that. Perhaps yielding to your own good generous feelings you went a little further than you were warranted m doing. Unfortunately you had not the other managers at your back. I did not believe that you had and said at the time that I did not believe in your suggestion at all. Mr. Coward I was speaking entierly on my own responsibility and was not committing anybody else. The Chairman: We don't bring you into the matter at all. We are simply taking what we have got in black and white. We never applied for the national schools. We simply asked for their views on youi suggestion. Mr. Coward: You asked for the transfer of the school. The Chairman: We did not; we never asked for the transfer of the schools. I defy the Lord Chance lor himself to construe that letter into an application for the schools. Mr. Coward: Yoa cannot treat it in any other way. The Vice-Chairman If all the managers were of the same feelings as Mr. Coward the thing would be done. I had no wish to tread on Mr. Cowards' corns. I did not know he had any. Mr. J. Pritchaid: We thought there was no harm in asking for information. The Vice-Chairman: That'is all the letter asks for. It was not a kind thing of them to say that we applied for their school and were refused. Mr. Coward: It is not kind of you to use my name in the matter as you have done. The Vice-Chairman: You have unhappily placed yourself between two stools Mr. Coward: I placed myself according to my own leelings. I said I could not pledge the managers. The Vice-Chairman: I thought you had some grounds tor making the statement you did. Mr. Coward: I made no statement that they would transfer the school to the board. The Vice-Chairman: Your suggestion was that if we could get that school for the board it would be much better than spending a lot of money ou a new school. Mr. Coward: what I said was that I thought it would be much better to have one school for the district. I never meant we should make the National School into a Board School, because I have never believed in a School Board. The Chairman: We will go on with the next business. Mr. Coward: I hope you will put my protest on the minutes. Mr. Peter Ellis It has gone too far now. Mr. Coward: You may say so, but we will see. The board then dealt with the routine business. "0"

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