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HISTORY OF THE LLAN- 1 DUDNO ELECTRIC TRAMWAY I Negotiations ibetween. the Lla-ndudno Council and the Electric Tramway Syndi- cate continued, and on October 28th, 1898, the Electric Lighting Committee's re- port included a letter which had been re- ceived from Mr Alfred Dickinson, the engineer to the Light Railway promoters, pointing out that the time had arrived when the Council had to decide if they would supply the electrical energy in accordance with the agreement arrived at between the Council and the Company. He asked for an answer at an early date, as the promoters wanted to poceed with the carrying out of the scheme forthwith in order to execute the works in the streets of the town during the winter months. The report went on to state that the com- mittee were unanimous in recommending the Council to inform the promoters that they would prefer to accept C500 per annum as wayleave, and waive their right to supply the electrical energy. The Chairman: There are several mat- ters to take into consideration, and I sug- gest, therefore, that we should take them one by one. Mr W. H. Jones moved the adoption of the committee's report. For certain reasons it was undersirable that they should go into the question fully that night. He suggested that they should accepted the decision of the committee, with reference to the acceptance of the E500 per annum. The committee had sent a letter to the Light Railway Syndi- cate, and until they received an answer they would not be in a position to fully discuss the matter, or arrive at any final decision, and he therefore moved that they defer further discussion for a time, and when the expected communication was received;, it would be submitted for confirmation to the Council, after con- sideration by the Electric Lighting Com- mittee. Mr William Bevan formally seconded. Mr Thorp did not know why they should not go fully into the question that night. Was there anything behind the scenes? He knew of nothing. He con- sidered they should decide the question that night, and arrive at a settlement. It was a subject to be settled by the Council, and not by a committee. The Chairman explained that Mr Thorp seemed to be labouring under a misapprei- hension. Mr Jones' suggestion was simply to defer discussion that night, but after the reply had been received from the company, the whole question would be dealt with by the Council in Committee. Mr Thorp: We have got a certain agreement which I consider binding to both parties. If there is anything behind that, I know nothing of it. Mr T. W. Griffith agreed with the pre- vious speaker. He did not understand why they had been asked not to discuss the question now. If any difficulty had cropped up in some way or other, making it unwise to discuss the question, then the whole of the members should be informed of it. If there was anything fresh to. divulge, he did not think the meeting that night should pass merely with the state- ment that there was an agreement between the Company and the Council, and that the Electric Lighting Committee were awaiting a reply to their letter concerning the same before giving further information to the Council. Mr Conway said he considered the agreement that had been signed by both parties safeguarded the interests of the Council, and he did! not apprehend any difficulty with regard to it. Mr Robt. Roberts stated that the Coun- cil could not discuss the subject until the reply had been received from the pro- moters. If it were discussed, they could not terminate the matter, and! the Council ought to be prepared to accept the recom- mendation of the Electric Light Com- mittee to defer it for a few days. Mr Thorp: The agreement between us and the Company stand's now, and binds us to its terms. We are prepared to stand by it, and therefore, we may as well ter- minate the question this evening. Mr Roberts What will be our position if, after discussion the terms of the agree- ment) the Company decline to close? Mr Thorp: The agreement will safe- guard that. Mr Elias Jones considerd if they dis- cussed the matter all night they could not arrive at a satisfactory conclusion. If any member did not know the situation, he thought they might, be informed pri- vately. Mr Thorp: There seemis to be some- thing behind the scenes somewhere, which only two or three members know about. There evidently is a dark horse somewhere. The Chairman was sorry that Mr Thorp had spoken of a dark horse. He wa,s present at a meeting of the Electric Light- ing Committee the previous evening,, and if there was a, dark horse, it was outside the Council. Mr W. H. Jones said he could assure all that there was nothing behind the scenes, and; it would, be fatal for free dis- cussion to' be; gone into while delicate negotiations were going on between the committee and the, Company. Mr Sarson supported the committee, and stated that there were important matters, behind the scenes, and it, would be fatal for free discussion to be gone into while delicate negotiations were going on be- tween the committee and the company. Mr W. H. Jones: The question will be fully discussed when the negotiations are ended. Mr John Owen said he should like to know what was Mr Preece's report with reference to :the supply of electricity to the Company. The Clerk replied that Mr Preece had stated that to enable them to' supply elec- tricity to thè Company, they would require an additional outlay of £8,000 upon the works. J

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lVIr R. J. Williams: The committee prefer to take the £ 500. Mr Sarson said the report should be put to the vote. They were on delicate ground; they were standing on a volcano. Mr T. W. Griffith: I think it better that the volcano should explode then.- (Laughter.) Mr Thorp said he would withdraw his opposition after hearing from Mr Jones that the Council would be taken into the confidence of the committee. The recommendation of the Electric Lighting Committee was then adopted nem con. At a later meeting' the Clerk submitted the following correspondence with the Light'Railway Company, namely: Dear Sirs,—Adverting to your letter of the 17th inst., I now send you herewith a copy of the resolution passed at a meet- ing of the Electric Light Committee held this morning. The Council meet to- morrow evening at 7 o'clock, to consider (inter alia) a report from the committee on the subject, and it would be convenient to have your reply in time for the meeting "Resolved that a reply be sent to the effect that this committee is prepared to recom- mend the Council to waive the Council's right under the agreement of 18th May, 1898, between the Light Riruilway Con- struction Co., Ltd., and the Council to supply electric energy on the understand- ing that the company do' pay the Council the sum of £.5.00 per annum as way- leave." Yours truly, ALFRED CONOLLY. Nov. 4th, 1898. Dear Sir,—In the continued absence abroad of Mr Alfred Dickinson, the com- pany's engineer, I have been instructed to reply to your letter to him of the 27th ult. In doing so, I would in the first place ex- press my clients' application of the courtesy of the Council and the Electric Lightin g Committee in so pjromjptly takiing into consideration the supply of electrical energy for the purposes of working this line, as raised by Mr Dickinson's letter. Although the company would in some ways prefer that the Council should sup- ply the requisite etnergy for working the whole undertaking as provided in the agreement between them, they are, never- theless, disposed to relieve the Council of this obligation as the views of the Council now seem to tend in that direction, pro- vided the matter can be arranged within the next fortnight, time being, as you are aware, of much importance to the com- pany. In doing so, however, it is neces- sary to point out that the payment of a way-leave only arises under the agree- ment in the! event of the Council being re- strained by an Order or injunction of the Court supplying the current outside their district, the, intention of the parties being to recoup the Council for the large addi- tional capital outlay which they would have had to incur to fit themselves to carry out, this supply. As, therefore, under the present proposal the Council will be spared the whole of this, outlay, it is obvious that no way-leave can be rea- sonably asked for by the Council. It is not out of place to remind you that the agreement is precise on the question of way-leave, as also in enabling the com- pany to require the Council under penalties to supply energy to its whole undertaking, and consequently that the Council, not the company will benefit by this suggested alteration of the agreement. Please submit this letter to your Council at the earliest possible date, and oblige, Yours faithfully, WARWICK WEIBB. It was resolved that inasmuch as the letter of Mr Warwick Webb, dated 4th inst., is altogether at variance with the views held by the Council, this comittee do recommend the Council to undertake to supply the Llandudno and Colwyn Bay Light Railway Company with electric energy in accordance with the agreement, dated the 18th day of May, 1898, subject to further details to be hereafter arranged. The committee, had under consideration the question of appointing a resident engineer for the electricity station, and it was resolved that the Council be recom- mended to appoint Mr Harold Morton, at a commencing salary of JE250 per annum as from the 17th November next, subject to a further increase if the electricity works are a success. At a further meeting of the committee, Mr E. W. Johnson, solicitor, was in atten- dance, and submitted an opinion he had received from counsel in respect to the application by the Llandudno and Colwyn Bay Light Railway Company, for an order from the Board of Trade for the con- struction of a light railway, namely —I have considered this matter. There is no doubt that the draft order conflicts in various respects with the contracts en- tered into between the Company and the Llandudno District Council. It will be observed in regard to this that the order is framed for a light railway, whereas the contract contemplates in reality a tram- way. It appears to me, however, upon the whole that the only point of conflict between the draft and the. contract which I would be likely to give rise to serious objection, is that relating to' the motive power by which the railway is to be work- ed. The contract provides that the line shall be worked by electricity only, and that subject to certain conditions, the electric energy shall be wholly supplied by the Council. The draft order as framed authorises the company to work the line by animal power or subject to certain con- ditions by steam, and provided that. elec- tric power shall only be used with the con- sent and subject to' the regulations of the Board of Trade. If the order were allow- ed to pass in its present form and the company began to work the line by animal power, or otherwise than electricity with- out attempting to obtain the consent of the Board of Trade to the- use of elec- tricity, I think the District Council would probably be able to obtain an injunc- tion. However this may be, I, nevertheless, consider it leasonabie that, the Council should wish to have *he order modified by making it provide for the line being worked by electricity only, subject of course to the regulations of the Board of Trade. Upon the whole, therefore, I should write to the Commissioners point- ing out the District Council's objection to the draft order providing (contrary to the agreement) that the, line may be worked otherwise than by electricity, and I should send in notice of opposition to the Board of Trade. I should also write to the company giving them notice that the Council intend to hold the company to its agreement, and that the Council objects to the draft order in its present form) for amongst other reasons, that it appears to contemplate the line being worked other- wise than by electricity. If the company undertakes that, in whatever form, the order may be passed, the company will, in fact, adhere to their agreement, and work the line by electricity, and electricity only. I think upon the whole that the Council may reasonably withdraw any further opposition to the. passing of the order. (Signed) E. P. HE WITT. The committee decided that notice be given to the Board of T'radei of the inten- tion of this Council to oppose the applica- tion made by the Llandudno and Colwyn Bay Light Railway Company for an order to construct a light railway in Llandudno on the ground that no reference is made in such order to an agreement entered into by the Light Railway Company and the Council, and dated 18th May, 1898. That the Solicitor to the Council be in- structed to take necessary steps to carry the foregoing resolution into effectl and obtain the insertion of a, clause in the company's order whereby some reference, may be made as to the existence of the above named, agreement, or that the clauses mentioned in such agreement in respect to heavy goods traffic, the supply of electric; energy by the Council may be embodied in such order, and that the order be framed so that the line may be con- structed and worked as a tramway as con- templated by the agreement above re- ferred to. Mr Bevan moved the adoption of the minutes of the Electric Lighting Com- mittee. Mr William Williams asked for in- formation with reference to the. corres- pondence between the Clerk and the Light Railway Company. Mr Bevan said there were two alterna- tives for the committee, the first to supply the electric energy or otherwise to request the Light Railway Syndicate to pay the B500 as way-leave, which the committee considered the company had agreed to pay, if the Council waived their right to supply the motor power. Mr W. O. Williams asked how the im- pression was gained that the company in- tended to pay the Council the, 2500. Mr Bevan: It was mentioned in the minutes. Mr W. O. Williams: What was the opinion of the deputation that went to London? Mr W. H. Jones said every member of the Council must share the blame as all had had an opportunity of making them- selves acquainted with the agreement. Their Electric Elngineeir had informedi them that to construct works to supply the power, the company stated that they would require would cost the Council £ 8,000, and the general feeling of the Electric Lighting Committee was that it would be better to take L500 per annum as way-leave. When the special meeting of the Council was held, the com- mittee had written to the company asking them: if they were prepared; to pay the £.500, and that was the reason he asked that no discussion should take. place at that time. They had taken a wrong view of the agreement, that was the only way their present position could be accounted for. Mr E. Thorp believed that it was the opinion of every member of the Council at the time the agreement was made that in the event of the Council foregoing their right to supply the electricity, the com- pany should pay the Y,500 per annum. He considered they ought to do so for the use of the streets, and although he was in the first instance opposed to supplying the generating power, he should support the minutes as he did not think the com- pany ha,d met the Council fairly in the matter. Mr W. O. Williams: What does the agreement state. Does it say the com- pany shall pay the Council the £ 500 ? The Oha,irman: Only in case an injunc- tion is obtained by a neighbouring authority restraining the Council supply- ing the generating power. Mr Thomas Owen understood the agree- ment to mean that the company were pre- pared to pay the Council a minimum sum of £ 500, even if they did not require that quantity of electricity, so that the Coun- cil should not suffer any loss 'by construct- ing the necessary works. Mr J. Hughes read the agreement that the company were to pay the money only if an injunction was obtained restraining the Council from supplying the current. Mr Wm. Williams did not think they were justified in asking for the £ 500 un- less an injunction was obtained. The Chairman said he should, preface his remarks by stating that he should de-. cline to resign his seat, owing to this matter, notwithstanding certain state- ments. His impression was that the £ 500 was to be paid to the Council if they waived the right to supply the necessary electrical energy. Mr Bevan said Mr Preece was strongly in favour of the Council supplying the current. The Surveyor stated that if his recol- lection served him rightly, the agreement arrived at in London was that only in the event of an injunction the Council should be paid the sum of JE500 per annum as wayleave. The minutes of the committee were then passed.