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MEAN LITTLE BILL. CHURCH DEFENCE IN MID-CARDlGANijJIRE. MONSTER DEMONSTRATION AT LAMPETER. Wednesday, June 4, 1'91, will be a day long remembered by Lampeterians as the day when the greatest Church demonstration ever held at Lam- ■ peter. The Deanery Choral FestivaJ had its servioes morning and afternoon at St. Peter's Church, and at 4 p.m. thousands of Churchpeople oongregrated in Bryn-road, where a huge procession was formed, and headed by a brass .band from Aberystwyth paraded through College-street, Bridge-street, Drover's-road, the Common, St. Thomas-street, High-street, and Church-street, ultimately reaching the field adjoining St. Peter's Church. The day was beautifully fine, and crowds had gathered in the etreets to witness the most magnificent procession ever seen in the town. Lampeter showed that the church is far from being a dead and useless one, but a strong and vigorous institution, full of determina- tion to Fight the good fight with all their might." An extensive platform had been erected at the lower end of the field, and the immense crowd assembled occupied the rising ground, and the eoene was an inspiring, one. The chair was occupied by Mr. J. C. Harford, the popular squire of Faloondale, and around him on the stage we noticed the Rev. Canon Camber-Williams, vicar and rural dean; Revs. Principal Bebb, St. David's College; Joshua Davies, Iianllwni; ,D. Francis, Llandugwydd; D. Evans, Wemdriw Lodge; R. E. Davies, Ystrad; E. Evans, Aberayron; D. W. Davies, Cilcennin; W. M. Grif- fiths, Llanycrwys; T. J. Hughes, Pencader; D. J. Evans, Lampeter; Col. Daviee-Evans, lord lieutenant of Cardiganshire; Mr. Charles Lloyd, Waunifor; Mr. Roderick Evans, Lampeter; Mr. John Jones, Springfield; Mr. J. Evans, Llanfair-fawr, 1&0. The proceedings were commenced by singing the hymn, "Bywha Dy waith," Mr. W. Lewis (Arfryn) con- ducting- with his usual ability, and the band accom- panying. The singing was hearty and general, and gave a tone to the gathering. This was followed by the whole assembly reciting the Apostle's Creed and the Lord's Prayer, and a few collects by the Vicar. Upon rising Mr. Harford received a hearty wel- come, and he delivered some trenchant opening re- marks upon the intended spoliation of the Church. There was no need to explain why they gathered in suoh force that day, ana it was a splendid sight to see the thousands in the field that day. Meetings of that nature and the signing of petitions were having their effect upon the country, and the excel- lent results of Newmarket and AItrincham were only the beginning of what was to follow if they kept on as they had done. He was glad Mr. Campion was, among them that day, and he felt sure they would his support in the House of Commons. When he"; went back to London he could tell his colleagues' what he had seen and heard in Cardiganshire. The whole of the bishops with the exception of three had issued a manifesto against the spoliation of the Welsh Church, and their own bishop was working with all his might to defend the Church. It was their bounden duty to support their bishop, and they intended to do so (cheers). Mr. Charles Lloyd, Waunifor, proposed a strong and emphatic resolution against the Disestablishment Bill, and said he should be glad to see Mr. McKenna there that day, so that he could be assured that the Church in Wales was a real, living, and progressive Church. They as Welshmen wanted no favour; all they required was justice and fair play. They had congregated to defend their Church from the mali- cious attacks made upon it. It was a wicked and wanton attack, and Churchmen could pray to God for strength and 6uocour, but their enemies could not pray on behalf of their diabolical attack. Those who attacked the Church gave a reason for such an attack that the Church would be much better off if disestablished and disendowed, but Churchpeople would not be hoodwinked by such ajii ass«rtion. Their cause was a righteous one, and and they must show their enemies that the whole scheme was wrong in principle. He had great pleasure an proposing the resolution. Mr. Campion, M.P., who seconded the resolution, said he thanked Mr. Lloyd fpr his kind words, and tho message he gave him for the House of Commons. They could be assured that he would do his utmost against the mean little Bill." He had also a message to them—a message of hope; he believed that there was every degree of hope for the future. Ho urged them not to despair, but to keep up their enthusiasm. With all his heart he wished Mr. Asquith and Mr. McKenna were present that day, so that they oould be convinced that Wales was not in favour of the Bill. If a referen- dum was carried out among the people of England and Wales, it would be found that a very great majority would be against the Bill. Many of the Liberal party, although supporters of the Govern- ment were thoroughly ashamed of the Bill. He disliked the Bill as a whole, and did not intend to barter for any compromise or concession. Some- time ago, it was continually declared in the House of Commons that the Church property was national, and that the Church was alien, but one never heard such things now. One argument raised by the opponent was that they had a mandate from Wales on behalf of the disestablishment and disendowment of the Church, but Mr. Campion disproved this fallacy in a forcible manner. If there was a grain of truth in the assertion, why did not the spoliators hold more meetings on behalf of the Bill? The fact that 560,000 people from Wales had signed peti- tions had carried a great influence on the supporters of the Bill. Two petitions had been sent on behalf of the Bill, which were signed by four people hailing from Scotland (laughter). Having referred to the elections at East Carmarthen, Flint Boroughs, Newmarket and Altrincham, Mr. Campion called attention to the facts elicited from various Noncon- formist witnesses .before the Church Commission, who were averse to the severing of their communities xtfith those from England), and yet they advocated the severance of the Welsh Churoh from the Con- vocation and from the English dioceses in the provinces of Canterbury and York. This question of disestablishment and disendowment concerned them in England a.s well as Wales. The only reasons that oould be adduced for taking away the property of the church were that no need existed that the funds were excessive, or that they were not properly used, but none of them had advanced. In hundreds of Welsh parishes there were no resident Nonconformist ministers, and if the Church were disestablished aad disendowed it would be a great ^calamity to religion in vVales- The people of Eng- land were determined to help them in Wajea, and 'n conclusion' Mr. Campion urged them to keep public opinion alive, and they wou.d conquer their enemies, and save the Church from spoliation. Mr. Harford having spoken, the resolution was carried unanimously. Onward, Christian Soldiers having been Bung, the Rev. R. T. Jones, Glanogwen, North Wales, and secretary of the Church Defence Society in the diocese of Bangor, rose amidst cheere to address the assembly in Welsh. He said that he was proud of being present that day to raise his in his native parish in defence of the Church in Wales. Many of those before him were the sons and daugh- ters of many who slept in the adj ascent churchyard, but they possessed the same spirit as their fore- fathers, and were determined to defend their Church against all attacks. They had no reason to feel discouraged, as the Church had encountered many storms during her progress; she had conquered them, and would come out victorious in this battle. Whiah of the two armies was losing ground? Years ago, it was the practice of Nonconformists to villify and scorn the Prayer Book. but the Noncon- formists of the present day made use of the Churth's Liturgy. and many of their adherents werfe con- tinually leaving their ohapels -and joining the Church. In his usual effective way he described the two examples of Nonconformists—the religious and political, which were well received. He referred to the Suspensory Bill of 1893, and of the interviews which then took place between Messrs. D. A. Thomas and D. Lloyd George as tQ the way of sharing the spoils, which elicited laught-er. Their plans were, however, all in vain, as in 1895, when disestablish ment and Sisendowment were placed before the electors, nine Conservative members were returned for Wales. The Rev. Evan Jones, Carnarvon, had said that the Church was a failure, and did not justify her existence. Various reasons had been brought forward on behalf of the Church's spoliation, but most of them had withered away. Mr. Elli- Jones Griffith, the Radical member for Anglesey, had declared there was money in it "—the Church, and so it ought to bo plundered. Let them not be dismayed, but work on continually and fervently, as if the Church was despoiled the only bulwark against atheism would be swept away, and Wales would loose its prestige and renown. The Canon closed his fervent speech by repeating a verse of a well- known hymn:— Ac os oes stormydd mwy yn ol Yn nghadw gan fv INUW, GywnebaJ arnynt oil yn hy' iFy Nhad sydd wrth y llyw." Mr. J. Jones. Springfield, a deacon at Chapel, proposed a vote of thanks to the speakers, and was seconded by Mr. Joseph Evans, Llanfair- fawr. After it had been passed unanimusly. Mr. Campion and the Rev. Canon Jones acknowledged. Cheers having .been given to Mr. Harford, the hymn. Church's One foundation," was sung, and Canon Camber-Williams having pronounced the Blessing, a splendid meeting was brought to a close. )
HUGE DEMONSTRATION AT CARMARTHEN.…
HUGE DEMONSTRATION AT CARMARTHEN. PROTESTANT PROCESSION OVER A MILE LONG. UNQUALIFIED RESISTANCE TO CHURCH BILL. BISHOP OWEN'S GREAT SPEECH. Church people in the deanery of Carmarthen on Thursday last entered their solemn and emphatio protest against the Government passing into law, without first submitting it to the people of the country, their mean little Bill for the Disestab- lishment and Disendowment of the Church in Wales. The occasion was taken advantage of to demonstrate to the country at large that not only are there large numbers of Churchpeople in the deanery, but that they are determined by every means in their power to pre- vent this iniquitous measure which aims at crippling the great work which the Church is so nobly carry- ing out for the BaCroo cause of Christianity, and from being placed on the statute book. It was a splendid idea of the i^huron Defence organization to Je; Up these demonstrations of protest in every I centre in the Kingdom, and Church people in the Carmarthen deanery responded to the call in a truly astonishing manner. Under the able guidanoe of the hon. secretary (the Rev. J. Jones, the vicar of Llan. gain) the work of organising the demonstration had been thoroughly taken in hand, but no one for d, single moment ever thought it would reach eu-eh magnitude. The monster procession was quite the finest ihing of its kind ever seen in Carmarthen—in- deed there has not been anything in the demonstra tion linet, to come near it. The parishes of St. Peter's, St. David's, and Llanllwch (Carmarthen) aid well, and between them sent about three thousand processionists, while the parishes outside, including Abergwili, Llanstephan, St. Clears, Whit- land, Laugharne, Llangain, Merthyr, New- church, Llanegwad, etc., sent in about about two thousand more. The aggressive Non- conformists, and there are not many in Carmarthen, had been inclined to throw cold water on the pro- posal, pooh-poohed the idea, and predicted failure. But their faces as they beheld the huge procession go by were a study, for they looked exceedingly glum. For well over half an hour the processionists went 1y in rows of six, singing well-known hymns like "Onward Christian Soldiers" and "The Church is one foundation." Each parish had its banner, and the huge demonstration made a very imposing and impressive sight as it wended its way through the principal streets of the town, to the Market-place, where, on account of the threatening weather, it was decided to hold the mass meeting to enter She emphatic protest against the Bill. The weather m the morning was very wet, and some of the local disendowprs could not conceal their rejoicing at the prospect of the weather marring the demonstration. They secretly wished that the weather would militate against success, but in this they were doomed to sad disappointment, as the weather in the afternoon cleared up, and the special trains brought in crowds of protestants., while others made the journey in packed vehicles. The procession was formed on the Parade, the men of each parish headed by the clergy preceding the women. The demonstration was led by the Llansaint Silver Band, and immediately at the head of the procession walked Mr. F. Dudley Williams-Drum- mond, Hafodneddyn (chairman of the meeting), and the Mayor (Mr. J. B. Arthur, who is a churchwarden of St. Peter's), the Rev. Canon Brown, the Rev. B. Parry Griffiths, vicar of St. Peter's, Mr. Walter Spurrell (churchwarden of St. Peter's), Mrs. Drum- mond and Miss Drummond. In Lammas-street, the Lord Bishop of St. David's joined Mr. Drummond, and Mrs. Owen the ladies, and walked to the Market. The route taken was through St. John's- avenue, into Priory-street, past St. Peter's Church, King-street, Hall-street, GUlldhall-squarc" Dark- Gate, Lammas-street, as far as Picton-terrac.e, where the procession turned into St. Catherine-street, turn- ing into John-street, and through the entrance in that street into the Market, proceeding down past the Wool Room, the implement depot, following the outside wall down to the provision stalls. The procession was well over a mile in length, and some idea may be gained of its magnitude when it is pointed out that when the head of the procession inside the Market passed the St. Catherine-street entrance-gate, the St.. David's contingent were only going by outside. It was a triumph of organisation, and Carmarthen may justly be more than proud of its demonstration against the Welsh Church Bill. It should convince disestablishers that the sincerity and honesty of the Churchmen's protest, and make them pause before they lend their hands to the commitment of such a wicked and immoral act as the taking of money from religious purposes and devot- ing it to purely secular objects- A word of praise and congratulation is due to the Rev. J. Jones, vicar of Llangain, for the admirable way he organised th0 demonstration^ and for the excellence of the arrange- ments which were carried out without a hitch. THE PROTEST MEETING. In the Market-place there were some seven thousand people present, and an improvised plat- form had to be erected in the opening. Mr. Dudley Drummond presided The mass meeting opened with a very solemn and impressive recital of the apostle's creed, followed by prayers offered up by the Rev. Griffith Thomas, vicar of St. David's. Then under the conductor- ship of Mr. Walter Spurrell, and led by the Llan. saint band, the huge gathering sang the hymn Fight the good fight" as it has never before been sung in Carmarthen, and in a manner which left no doubt as to what sacrifices they were prepared to make to save the Church from her enemies. CHAIRMAN'S SPEECH. The Chairman, who was received with loud and continued applause, said he was indeed proud to be associated with such a meeting as that one, along with many old friends in Carmarthen. It only showed what determination there was among the Carmarthen people to see that that unjust and spoliating Bill. that had been passed by the House of Commons, was not going to be tolerated (cheers). It also showed the great respect and admiration that they had for their great Bishop—(applause)—and for the splendid services he had rendered to the Welsh nation at that period of their national history. It showed their appreciation of the great services he had rendered, and that in itself was worthy of a great demonstration of that kind (cheers). They had met there to protest against the inequity, and the injustice of the proposals in the Bill, and they had also come to declare to the people not only of Car- marthen, but of Wales and England, that they were not going to accept the Bill at any price(—cheers)— that they were not going to compromise, or shift one iota from the position tney had taken up (applause). As Welsh Church people they were determined to have nothing to do with the Bill, and it must be withdrawn in toto (cheers). He had always failed to understand at such a time as that, when materialism was rampant in the country, how their Nonconformist friends—he said friends because he had a great many friends among Nonconformists —could attack the Church at such a period. He thought the right way to fight materialism would be for all Christian people to consolidate tother" and fight for Christianity, and pour money into instead of robbing the great Church which had done so much in the past, and was doing so much now (cheers). He failed to understand the position of the attacks that had been made upon the church, but there W one thing certain—that those attacks had been most helpful to the Church in one way. They had opened the eyes, and shown the people of Wales and England the power of the Church, tnd the power she had in Wales (applause.). He had always felt confident in the result of that attack, and he felt they had Providence watching over them (cheers). He oould only say their gratelal thanks were due to the Bishop for his noble ser- vices. What they should have done without him he did not know (hear, hear). ;His lordship had gone through the whole of England and Wales protesting against the Bill, and he had met with apprecia- tion, respect, and support in all the diocese in England and Wales (cheers). He only hoped they. wouJd all support him, and do their best to see the ancient Church was retained to them, and see that that heritage of the people of Wales was passed on unimpared to their children's children (applause). The Rev. R. H. Richa-rdat, Church Defence Lecturer, moved the following resolution :—"That this meeting protests against the Welsh Disestab- lishment Bill as an unwarrantable shattering of the ancient unity of the Church, the unjust violation of the rights of the poor, and the retrograde con- fiscation of funds, which were never more urgently needed than now in the interests of religion and good morals, and calls upon the Government to withdraw the Bill." Speaking in Welsh the rev. gentleman said that it was wrong to bury a man before he was dead. and judging from some of the observations which fell from the enemy of the Church they thought the Church was dead, and were going to bury her. If they did believe so, they never made a greater or graver error in their lives, and gathering—splen- did gathering such as they had there that evening. and which were being heiu all over Wales, would teach them that the Church was very much alive, and not merely alive but alive to her great responsi bilities, and was fulfilling her mission nobly and well (applause). Mr. McKenna said the Church was dead in Wales, but he could assure them of one certain fact that the Church would be an active living force for good after Mr. MoKenna and his friends had departed this life (applause). He con- gratulated the members of the Church on turning out in such numbers even in the threatening weather. They were there showing their determination to resist the unjust Bill, and he did not think it would ever be said again of the Church in Carmarthen or elsewhere that it was a dead body (cheers). THE BISHOPS SPEECH. The Bishop of St. David's, who received an ova- tion, said that he was very glad that the ancient town of Carmarthen had that day told the Govern- ment what they wanted to know very much— (applause) and that is that the people of this oountry will not let them pass their mean little Bill into law (cheers). They used to hear a great deal about; disestablishment, but lately they had been told on high authority that disestablishment was not worth asking for because it would be an academic, an infinitesimal reform-a change so small it could not be seen through a microscope—(laughter)—a change' academical which would do nobody any good. That was what their opponents said now about disestab- lishment. What did they as Churchmen say? They said it was by far ine worst thing in the Bill. They said it broke up local organisation of the Church from top to bottom at one stroke without doing good to anybody. They said .it broke the unity of the Church by Act of Parliament against the will of Churchmen. He asked them were they not right in protesting against Parliament forcing by Irish votes a change on Churchmen which they thought would be a great disaster, when those who supported the Bill said it would be a very little thing which would do nobody any good. Was that rigut(voices "No"). He came there to tell them they must protest to the last, until they won, because they were GOING TO WIN —{cheers) against that Bill, as an unjust Bill how he had been speaking lately at six meetings in that diocese. THE WELSH DISESTABLISHMENT BILL AND JUSTICE. At Fishguard the previous day he referred to Sir John Simon's (oandid admission in the House of Commons on the first reading of the Bill, April 23rd last year, that the title of the Church in Wales to ts endowments would be recognised as good and solid "in a Court of Law. That admission made by the Government's own Solicitor-General deserved much more attention than it had received from Welsh disendowers. Some people still imagined that the income of the clergy was paid annually by the State though several Liberal Chancellors of the Exchequer in succession, including Mr. Gladstone, Mr. Asquith and Mr. Lloyd George, had distinctly contradicted such an ignorant assert-on. Many more people imagined that the Church was allowed the use of its .endowments .by the State as if the Church held them under a kind of terminable lease, the State being the real legal owner. obir John Simon's statement ought to prevent any respectable disendower from fostering that delusion by speaking of the Churcn being allowed the use of its endowments up to the present time. According to Sir John Simon it was not a case of use at all but of full legal ownership with a 1 good and solid title. If any disendower doubted the soundness of Sir John Simon's law it was open to him to test it by taking any Welsh bishop or beneficed clergyman to County Court in order to find out whether the Church's title to its property was good and solid or not. It was necessary to press home the elementary truth that what the Bill pro- posed was to deprive the Church in Wales of property which now lawfully belonged to it as much as the property of any chapel belonged to it or the property of any private person -belonged to him. The Bill proposed to reverse all the settled principles of equity under which property had been hitherto held in this country. Though the question of the moral right of the Church to its property was the highest question, the question of its legal right to its property was too grave a question to be lightly ignored. Mr. Lloyd George had said in Parliament of Church property at the se-cond reading of the Bill on May 16th last year, If this property does not belong to us, not merely ought not we to take it, but it would be an act of pillage to take it." It was therefore important to press home the fact that a-QCOrding to all the principles of equity hitherto recognised by Courts of Law the endowments of the Church belonged to the Church and to nobody else. According to all ordinary interpretations of the 8th Commandment that Commandment applied to property recognised to be lawful property by a Court of Law and. the moral authority of a Divine Commandment cauld not be disestablished without disaster by any poUtical majority. These remarks were called for -by a strange specimen of modern revival of mediaeval casuistry contained in a signed leading article a fortnight ago in Y Goleuad." The writer of the article, who had not only held the highest offices in his denomination but had also been resi president of the National Free Church Council of England and Wales, endeavoured by laborious special pleading to show that to deprive a religious society of its lawful property was not contrary to the Eighth Commandment. The great reformer of the 18th century whose bi-centenary was commemorated yes- terday would have given short shrift to the pitiful casuistry of the eminent minister who claimed to be his follower. It would be well for all religious bodies in Wales to be inspired by the strong love of righteousness and the stern contempt for popular'ty which made the name of Daniel Rowlands of Llan- geitho a name to be held in permanent honour by every Welshman who put the religious welfare of Wales as a whole before any prepossessions of party. He was glad to think that there was a large and growing number of Welsh Nonconformists who shared the worthy feelings of affection and hope cherished by Daniel Rowlands up to his dying day for the "Old Mother" of religion in Wales. It was a painful spectacle to see the official leaders of Welsh Nonconformist denominations using their in- fluence at a time of growing materialism for the unworthy purpose of secularising the ancient endow- ments of the Church in Wales when they could not deny in the face of Sir John Simon's admissions that those endowments were its lawful nronertv. 1.- r -aJ Welsh Churchmen were firmly convinced that the moral right of the Church in Wales to its endow- ments was quite as "good and solid" as its legal light was admitted to be. A discussion of the highest importance on this vital aspect of the subject took place in the columns of the "Times" last November, and December between Dr. Meyer, he eminent secretary of the National Free Churcii Council of England and Wales, and Chancellor P. V. Smith. In Dr. Meyer's view the question of t'.e moral right of the Church in Wales to its present endowments turned upon a question of fact. His words were if it can be proved that all the monies of which the Church in Wales is now possessed were directly donated for the maintenance of the clergy and the upkeep of edifices, I agree that no Act of Parliament ought to alienate such funds." He had in a previous letter given his reasons for believing that a certain proportion of Church funds was donated to the Church for other purposes than the support of the edifices and clergy." Chancellor Smith, who was recognised to be one of the highest living authorities on the subject, had pointed out that the evidence on which Dr. Meyer relied was altogether unsound inasmuch as he had misunder- stood the Statutes which he quoted and had mixed up the present endowments of the Church in Wales with monastic property now in lay hands which before the Restoration had been largely used for the purpose of education and the relief of the poor. Chancellor Smith's criticism of Dr. Meyer's facts was specially illustrated in Carmarthenshire and Cardiganshire where the alienated monastio tithe now in lay hands exceeded the amount of tithe left after the Reformation to the Church, including the tithe now .belonging to the Eoclesiastical Commis- sioners. It must be plain to anyone that it would be morally wrong to deprive the Church of the portion of tithe left it for the maintenance of its clergy and fabrics for no better reason than be- cause the monastic tithe alienated at the Reformation had been used for other p u r ses. It was most creditable t 111- Mever that he felt the force of Chancellor Sm •' unanswerable argu- ments and made an hoi,e proposal. His words were, But surely 0:: ,is question of fact a panel of jurists could decide. Why cannot this case which demands exact historical research which many of us are unable to give be handed over to an impartial jury." The Bishop of St. Asaph on the same day wrote to the Times to welcome Dr. Meyer's proposed suggestion. How did the Welsh disendowers treat Dr. Meyer's righteous proposal to submit the moral right of the Church to its property commentary on the cynical contempt lor justice shown by the promoters of this Bill. It remained to be seen whether the people of Wales and England dia not love justice more than politicians. Let them take courage. It was true that their opponents thought the Parliament Act gave the Government a free hand to do as it pleased. It was possible, however, that they put too much trust in this particular weapon which had not yet been tried. It might turn out to be a broken reed to meet the sword of justice. The appeal to the people of this country issued last week by the two Archbishops and thirty-two Diocesan bishops would bo followed up. The moral force of the united appeal of the great mass of Churchpeople to the righteousness of their countrymen was a force not to be despised by poli .l1S questlon cou)d not be permanently settled till the next general ejection which their opponents dreaded, but which could not be very far off and might come sooner than their opponents wished In the House of Commons Irish Nationalist votes had for the moment prevailed, but when the question came before the country justice might prove more than a match for tactics (loud applause). He wanted to say a word to cheer ^enVMine0eSftry' they aJJ confident that the Bill would not become law. The Government had passed a Parliament Act, and they were proud of it. When he was a little boy he was proud of a little pistol. In the same way the Government was proud of this Act, but, they had never tried it. No! no!! it was an unused weapon, and he told them that he believed it would prove as effective as a broken reed against the sword of justice (applausei It was all very well in the House of Commons to get people to help, butwhen it came to the people, as they were going to bring it that year than ever, when it came to people in England and Wales, they cx?, J-election after by-election, as they were doing ™ J f tW Programme was their mean little Bill (loud applaus. No, no, a Bill ^as mean, which was Unjust, which took money from religion to save the pockets of the voUPlHyeiiraS.n0u a BiU lhat country 1 j SJi W become the permanent law of the eW" the{ shouid not ha^e a general election. Shouldn't they? Well they should see. It was bound to come before very long. It cannot help coming. i He thought it would come much sooner than their opponents wished, and when it came they would be ready for it. WThen the people °Jf lte H 5 ha^ 6poken thpy not approve of the Bill it would not remain the law of the land even if it succeeded m reaching the statute book. They understood they might by tactics, which he called tricks, get a temporary triumph, but justice ^on in the long run (applauae). Speaking in tho lordship said they might all lift tip & hearts and for they had justice on their side (cheers), ^xad it not been for the Irish vote, the Welsh Church Bill would have been Sdnt tof,find th°r? were some Nonconiomms JLUP meun httle BilL but they were glad ;o ™th,lwnds who not look upon it L ghV^ar' heai'>- He had a letter from an old deacon of the Independents—he had been a deacon for forty years, in which he told him not to be discouraged but to go ahead, looking forward io victory because he could tell him that he had a great deal more of public opinion on his side than he might imagine (cheers). The Bishop concluded feman *aP? t0 t £ em a11 to attend Swansea demonstration on the 28th inst. "You have done well to-day, now come to Swansea the whole lot of you (laughter and loud applause). The Chairman then put the motion, and in re- sponse to all in favour say 'aye a great deafen- ing roar of ayes" went up from the thousands of throats surrounding the platform. To the contrary no cautioned the Chairman, but there Was no response. The ayes have it unanimously," an- nounced Mr. Drummond amidst a Beene of tremen- enthu la- VOTES OF THANKS. J' B' ArtuUr' in movinS that the best thanks c m,-lTS bCLgn"en the speakers and chair- man, said it gave him exceedingly great pleasure to perform the pleasing duty, and on no occasion had it -been- his privilege to propose a vote of thanks which would be received more with cordially, and enthu- siasm (applause). It niO'edeu no words of his to echo the praises of their worthy and beloved Bishop (cheers). They all revered their bishop, not only for his salifications, not only for his attainments, but for his usefulness of life. and for his eloquetn cxdjnple which was very anspiring to them all (cheers) lhCy were all deeply indebted to the splendid efforts he had made on bihalf of their Church (applause). Their Boshop had nothing to gain. He mentioned that because he had heard it stated that other people would fight as he does if they had a matter of £ 4,000 or £ 5,000 a year to retain. But as they knew that only arose from sheer ignorance. Their Bishop was assured of his position, and he waged the war not in his own per- sonal interest, but in the interest of every Church- man and Churchwoman throughout the length and breadth of the Principality (cheere). The strenuous ngnt he had put up,, his increasing labours, his more than super-human efforts on behalf of the Church, were not on behalf of himself but on behalf of the Churchpeople of Wales (applause). He con- gratulated the Rev. Mr. Richards on his aDDointment as Church defence lecturer, and referring to the- chairman he said it needed no words of his to' reoommend him to a Carmarthen audience, especially an acdience of Churchpeople. As president of their Conservative Association, he was always ready at their beck and call. But they were there that night not as Conservatives, but as Churchmen. If he looked upon that gathering as a political meeting, he would feel as mayor of Lhe town he ought not to be there. But it was a meeting of Chcrchpeople, and as a Churchman he had the right to protest against j^ust** being done to his Church (applause). 1 hen- chairman was a Churchman to the back-bone, and he was a gentleman who set a most inspiring example as a country gentleman, who devoted his life to the public of the county, and one who is ever ready to help forward every good movement (ap- plause). Mr. T. Bland Davies, Christ Church. Carmarthen, seconded the votes of thanks, and they were carried with acclamation. The favourite inspiring Welsh hymn, Dan dy fendith, wrth ymadael," was then heartily rendered, after which the Bishop pronounced the benediction. and the great gathering dispeme4,
THE MORAL RIGHT OF THE CHURCH…
THE MORAL RIGHT OF THE CHURCH TO ITS ENDOWMENTS. BISHOP OWEN AT CROSS HANDS. rFv"da £ evcn/ng the PubUo Hal1 packed vnta Churchmen from various parts of the oountv to hear an address from the Lord Bishop of St- David s protesting against the Welsh Disestablish- ment Bill. The chair was taken by Mr. DuBuisson. Glynhir, Llandebie. The resolution of protest similar to that passed at Carmarthen was proposed by the Chairman, and seconded by the Bishop, and carried with only two dissentients.. On the platform were the vicars of Gorslas, Llan- dilo, and Llannon, and amongst others present were the Vicar of Ammanford, the Rev. Roger Williams, Llanedy; and Mr. Seymour, J.P.. Pontyberem. i T!ie °/ ^t- Davids, who was received with loud and continued applause, resumed his discus sion of the moral right of the Church in Wales to its endowments. He had referred at Carmarthen on I nursday to the readiness of We;sh Churchmen to accept Dr. Meyer's proposal that this question °JruT"I 1 shL°uld submitted to impartial arbitration, but that Welsh disendowers and the Government at their instigation had angrily and contemptuously refused to accept arbitration. When two countries were in dispute about a ques- tion of property it was the universal opinion of all Christ.an people nowadays that such a dispute ought to be settled by impartial arbitration. An inter- national tribunal had been established at the Hague for that purpose, and the peace of the world was bound up with the progress of international arbitra- tion to sett.e disputes about territory or property. In the labour world likewise impartial arbitration had been recognsed as a desirable method of settling difference of opinion between men and their employers as to a fair wage. It was on that principle that the Board of Trade was expected to act when it intervened in industrial difficulties. Public opinion as a rule in international disputes or in industrial disputes had no difficalty in decidintr on wnicn side justice lay when one side promptly welcomed a proposal for arbitration and the other ^de angnly refused it. When certain religious leaders who managed denominational and political organisations in Wales refused impartial arbitra- tion as to the moral right of the Church to its endowments on the ground that a Political majority in V\ ales had made up its mind to secularise at expiration of vested every penny of !n!v, anC-e"1 r,ell/lous endowments of Wales, what such a refusal for such a reason came to was arf uncnnstiaji assumption that might made right, that an alleged majority merely because it Was alleged to be a majority need not care whether what it wished to nave was morally right or not. R'M rntd th.ose rel'gious leaders that were the voi ° pka8s as •st,?od hy means of Irish Nationalist votes their refusal of Dr. Meyer's proposal for arbitration would paralyse their moral power as re- hg.ous leaders of the Welsh people in the future. laws of r°K'hT meD °°uld dlsre*ard moral laws of right or wrong witn imnunity. An exam- mation of their arguments against the moral right of the Church to its endowments would show why their opponents had refused arbitration. Their main arguments were four. noliW'S th3t the endowments now possefctd by the Churen in Wales had been given for education and the relief of the poor as WeU L-t™ ff "ia.intonance the ministry and the up- p, °[ fabll<'K- That was tho only argument which had appealed to Dr. Mever. and he ld pointed out at Carmarthen on Thursday that when Ground] fn AV", fSmith tad g,ven Dr. Meyer solid „rounds for doubting th;s argument, he had honourably proposed to refer it to impartial ar-