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DENBIGH- Denbigh Office of the NORTH WALES GUARDIAN is now at Albert Terrace, Vale-street (nearly opposite the Statinn-road). All communications addressed either to "The Reporter," or Mr. COTTOM by name, will receive immediate attention. The paper is on sale at the shops of Messrs. J. DAVIES and W. A. NOTT, and at the Bookstall at the Station. ACTORS AND THEIR EMPLOYERS.—Last week a agnatic company took possession of the Assembly The audience was wretchedly small, and some sc re of persons represented the nightly audiences and, sad to relate, the actor and actresses had had no for the previous week. On Friday they dis- covered that the lady and gentleman (?) who had engaged thorn had" bolted," taking scenery and everything else, cid leaving the company minus the coin due. In this a pecuniary mpss" the company appealed to the ■?nerosity of the Denbighites to help them by a good hoYise on Saturday night, when they put on the Boards The Life and Death of Charles Peace." A HORSE KILLED.—On Saturday, whilst a favourite old horse which, though past work, was kept grazing in pasture on the Ruthin-road, and was daily to be seen going backwards and forwards with the cows from i c^ture to the stables at Salisbury-place, was as usual being driven along the road near Plas Pigot, when the Tinrst mounted the raised earth, and rolling over, fell the open drainage works from which it was extracted with considerable difficulty, the result being the death of the animal. This is the second accident at the works, the other case being that of the upsetting of a dg belonging to Councillor R. Ellis who, with two children were precijjitated into the open cutting. COURSING MEETING.—On Tuesday by permission of Major C. S. Mainwaring a large paity from Denbigh had a very pleasing and excellent day's sport on the worthv Major's land at Cerrigydriudion. Besides dogs fr >m Bala and Cerrigydriudion; the following of the Denbigh party supplied greyhounds :—Messrs. LIavd. B ill Hotel; Richard Williams, Edward Roberts, town crier; John Edirar, gamekeeper; Thomas Jones, &c. Major Mainwaring was present and gave the party a hearty welcome. Mr. Brewster, Denbigh, acted as judge Mr. Ellis Williams, draper, Crown-square, as steward, and Messrs. John Davies and D. Williams, 1>():Janrl-pl:tcp, 3, slippers. Hares were exceedingly plentiful, very wild and gave the dogs a difficult task only three being caught throughout the running. The dogs from Denbigh worked admirably one of the hares be'iiir taken by a strong hound belonging to Mr. E. Roberts. At the close of the sport, Major Mainwaring entertained the whole party most hospitably and subse- quently his heal th was heartily drank on the proposition of the judge Mr. Brewster. All spent a very enjoyable dav. PRESENTATION BY WORKMEN.—On Thursday night the workmen of the Afon Wen Cement Mills, to the number of about 40, and a company of friends, met at the Afon Wen Hotel, kept by Mrs. Parry, to present a testimonial of their esteem regard to Mr. Strong, who is resigning the position of manager of the mills now owned by a Liverpool firm, for the purpose of taking a more responsible position at Calcutta. During Mr. Strong's connection with Afon Wen he has gained the confidence of the workmen who subscribed and pur- chased from the establishment of Mr. Henry Joyce, j.veller, Denbigh, a very handsome massive gold albert rin with locket attached, bearing the inscription Presented by the workmen of Afon Wen Cement Mills to Mr. Strong, 1879." The presentation was made on behalf of the workmen by the senior employe, Mr. Edward Jones, and the gift was acknowledged in a very appropriate and feeling manner by Mr. Strong, who subsequently entertained the whole company in capital style, a very pleasant evening being spent. The gift, which was a very elegant and useful one, was much admired by the company. ENTERTAINMENT. — On Friday night a crowded audience witnessed a first-rate performance by the Amateur Christy Minstrels in the Town Hall for the benefit of the Infirmary. The first part of the pro- gramme was exactly the same as that given at the asylum a few weeks ago, and of which we wrote ap- provingly. In the second part Mr. Pratt gave a most laughable "Temperance Lecture," embracing every conceivable subject but teetotalism, the principal divisions being (1) whiskey, (2) water. Roars of laughter were created by the subject and the droll delivery thereof. The other items had been done before with the exception of "Wagner out Wagged," a highly amusing piece. Every character was splendidly sustained, Mr. LI. Jones, as manager, and Mr. H. R. Williams as general assistant and comedian, causing the greatest possible delight by their droll antics and capital acting. Mr. Pratt as the "prima donna" of the wonderful opera" was splendid, as indeed were all the other actors. At the close a most hearty vote of thanks was carried on the motion of Mr. T. Hughes, of Ystrad, chairman of the Infirmary Committee. We believe there will be a very large sum of money to hand over to the funds of the Infirmary. The same company performed at Ruthin for the benefit of the Ruthin National School. The stage fittings, which were ad- mirable, were carried out by Mr. Ellis Williams, draper, Crown-square. THE CHURCH ASSOCIATION. The half-yearly meeting of the Church Association for the Vale of Clwyd was held on Friday, in the Town Hall, under the presidency of the Ven. Arch- deacon Smart, supported by the Very Rev. the Dean of St. Asaph, and numerous clergy and laymen. ALLEGED INJUSTICE BY THE ECCLESIASTICAL COM- MISSIONERS. The Rev. D. EVANS, vicar of Abergele, had given notice of the introduction for discussion of the treatment of the parish of Abergele by the Ecclesiastical Com- missioners. He stated that his only object in bringing forward the motion was the good of the parish of Abergele. He was not one of those who believed it was best to hide their faces from the blots or the weak points of the Church, but thought it best to show them up and get them remedied. The parish of Abergele he described as reaching from the clouds to the Clwyd, and from the sea to the Elwy. The acreage was 9,000, the rateable value £18,000, and in 1876 (the last statistics) the Ecclesiastical Commissioners drew from the parish £1,400 yearly, whilst the vicar's income was nominally £490. Now, when he went to Abergele he was under the impression that the Commissioners would give him help in the shape of a curate and other ways. There was a mortgage on the house that was built, and his first application to them was to wipe off that debt, and he received from them negative No. 1; then the former vicar had a family of one, whilst he had nine children and servants, and could not therefore put them into four bedrooms; he applied then to the Com- missioners to assist Abergele, and he received, negative No. 2. The land of the Commissioners surrounded him, and he asked them for a bit big enough to keep a chicken; then came another negative. This year he had applied for aid towards a second curate, and he read to the meeting a letter which he had written to the Commissioners, setting forth in detail the circumstances of the parish, in which it was shown that whilst the Commissioners took out £1,400, and left the vicar's stipend at the nominal amount of £490, yet there were the following deductions to be made :—Allowance to the ex-vicar, £100 yearly mortgage, JB33 interest on JE800 borrowed by himself and laid out on the Vicarage, £30 rates and taxes, £:15 (for they paid 3s. 6d. in the pound board rate in Abergele, and he had to pay upon so that making all the deductions he had £262 as his net income; besides, he was held responsible for the stipend of one curate, and to be responsible for a second was more than could be expected. He went on to say that he was ashamed of having to take aid from the Diocesan Society for a curate, which need not be done if the Commissioners did their duty. In the letter Mr. Evans went on to argue to the Commissioners that it was not just to make the rule as to population the basis of grants both in England and Wales, because the bilingual difficulty in Wales should take Welsh parishes out of the rule as regards basis of population, because of the extra services needed on account of the two languages. He also showed that the southern portion of the parish was in a deplorable state, as the parishioners at that end were three miles from the neighbouring church, and five from Abergele, and at that point a church or school chapel ought to be built. Proceeding with his address Mr. Evans said he considered that Abergele was treated in an exceptional manner, even as compared with other parishes in the diocese. He considered they had strong local claims at Abergele, for the Commissioners received a larger income therefrom than from any other parish in St. Asaph diocese. He quoted the followingexarnples:- Llanasa, population 2,937 vicar's income, £358; Com- missioners receive from the parish, £350; and make a grant for a curate of £120. Hope, population 2,335 vicar's income, £411; Commissioners receive £165, and return £100 towards a curate. Llansilin, population 2 000; vicar, £314; Commissioners receive, £960; return for curate, £120. St. Asaph, 2,600 population; the income of the vicar he did not know; the Com- missioners received £1,346, and only within a year or two gave B150 towards a curate, and now gave £120. Then, as regards other consideration, he had been told, but he did not agree with the doctrine, that it was not necessary for the Church to find accommodation for all the parishioners. He agreed with the Home Secre- tary that as long as the Church remained the National Church it was the duty of that Church to supply accommodation for all the parishioners if they require it." He went on to show that he had therefore to pro- vide not only for the population of the town of Abergele, but a large scattered population around it, and to contend that the bi-lingual difficulty met them everywhere. He knew it had been said that it was only the object of himself and a few other enthusiasts to prop up the Welsh language. (Laughter). That was not his object. He wished there was only one language on the whole face of the globe but there it was, they found the two languages existing, and he protested against making the Church of his fathers the executioner of the language of his mother-the language he learnt on his mother's breast-for if the Welsh language was to be smothered, and put out of existence let some other means besides the Church be found to carry on the unhallowed work. (Applause). The Com- missioners, he went on to say, wrote very plausibly, but the answer amounted to, "Why did he take Abergele ?" He said that he sacrificed emolument in going to Abergele, but the Bala air did not suit him. Many of his friends had asked him why he did not leave well alone, and go on as they had done from time imme- morial, for, from what he could ascertain from the registers, there had only been one able-bodied clergy- man in the parish at one time for the last hundred years. The material church too had been in a dangerous state, and had the Government sent down an inspector, M they did in reference to the churchyard, which they closed on sanitary grounds, to inspect the church, they would have closed the church also. He made uy his mind to carry out some reform at Abergele, and he was convinced that the battle of the W elsh Church must Joe fought on Welsh grounds, for the policy of thrusting English down the throats of the Welsh had been tried for the last 150 years, and proved unsuccessful. English dignitaries had been thrust upon the Welsh people, and the consequence had been the thrusting of the Welsh out of their own church. Look at Abergele; in 1742, on Easter Eve, the comunicants were 200; on Easter Sunday, 265 making 465 Welsh communicants whilst, sad to say, the Welsh communicants at the same dates in 1876 did not number 25 He was a true Conserva- tive, and was for leaving well alone, but it must be proved to him that it was well before he left it alone. and he had, therefore, come to the conclusion that the battle must be fought on Welsh grounds, and with Welsh weapons, and the only way to conquer the oppo- nents of the Church was to out-live them, out-pray, and out-preach them, and that could not be done unless justice was done to the Principality. The speaker went on at some length to explain the difficulties of the Welsh clergy in reference to the services required in the too languages, and then argued that in Wales the rule of making the population (over 3,000) the basis upon which the Commissioners made grants ought to be altered, for it acted unjustly to Wales, where to minister to a population of 2,000 was far more difficult than to attend to 4,000 in a rich district in England. He sug- gested that to remedy the existing grievances a com- mittee should be formed to organise a movement and appoint an influential deputation to wait upon the Com- missioners with a view of bringing about justice for W ales. The Rev. E. LEWIS, T.^vifdr. said the commissioners said they had a law which prevented them giving to parishes under 3000 in population yet how did the law: enable them to <dve a pension ot £ 900 yearly to the late secretary. With regard to St. Asaph there were seven or eight clergy in charge of that parish and yet the Bishop went to the Commissioners and obtained 2150 towards a curate, and he thought that grant a reflection upon the vicars of St. Asaph as if they were not able to look after the spiritual interests of the people. The Commissioners had, however, a great responsibility namely, th maintenance d the archdeacons and canons, for £1400 went to St. Asaph every year to maintain the canons residentiary at St. Asaph. Until that kind of thing was remedied, opposition to the Church would increase and if they were not remedied, in his opinion the Church would be disestablished. Mr. HANNAH, of Abergele, strongly supported the plea of vicar for help in the parish and pointed out the good work being done at Pensarn, which could not be given up without loss to the Church. Archdeacon SMART nointed out that the canons were not maintained bv the Commissioners; the money, it was true came from them, but they had tithes handed over to them for the purpose just as in the case of the bishops. He thought the Commissioners were prevented by a law from helping parishes over a certain population and in- come. A very long discussion ensued, in which Dr. Tumour, the Dean of St. Asaph, Rev. D. Lewis, Mr. Gold- Edwards, and others took part, after which a com- mittee, consisting of the President, Vice-President, Dr. Tumour, Mr. J. R. Heaton, Rev. D. Evans, and Rev. D. Lewis, who would net as hon. secretary, was formed for the purpose of drawing up a memorial to the Com- missioners, and taking such steps as may be found necessary to obtain help for Abergele and justice for Welsh parishes in general. CHURCH ACCOMMODATION IN NANTGLYN PARISH. The Rev. L. LEWIS, Nantglyn, desired that the dis- cussion on the above subject be deferred till next meet- ing, but he remembered that Hafod Elwy, where the accommodation was needed, was 8 miles from Nantglyn church, seven from Pentre Voelas, five from Blychau, and five from Cerrigydruidion. At the point named there were about 75 persons, English and Welsh, and he thought it very hard that those people should be allowed to live there without any means of grace what- ever, for there was not a chapel near. Some conversation arose as to the best provision that could be made, the necessities of the district, &c., the Rev. LEWIS suggesting that it was a case for cottage lectures and not for building a church for such a con- gregation. It was stated, however, that if a church was built anywhere, the Commissioners were bound to endow it. THE SOCIETY'S EFFORTS. The Rev. D. LEWIS stated, as showing the good result of the association's efforts, that the patronage of three parishes in that diocese had been transferred from "The Bishop of St. David's to the Lord Chancellor-viz., Llansannan, Llanfwrog, and Llangerniew. (Applause). THE CHAPLAINCY OF THE ASYLUM. Mr. TOWNSHEND MAINWARING, Galltfaenan, wrote saying that he would propose at the next meeting that the members of the association, whose object is to render the work of the Church as efficient as possible, represent to the committee of the North Wales Lunatic Asylum the unsatisfactory arrangement made by that committee with the rector of Denbigh, with regard to the chaplaincy of that institution and the members of the association venture to express their opinion that it would conduce to the mental and spiritual comfort of the afflicted inmates of the asylum if a chaplain were appointed whose sole and special duty would be to minister spiritual consolation to them such as is the case in the asylum in Cheshire and elsewhere." The meeting closed with a vote of thanks to the chair- man. CHAMBER OF AGRICULTURE. At an adjourned meeting of the Chamber on Wednes- day, Capt. P. P. Pennant presided, and there was a fair attendance. CORN AVERAGES. A letter was read from the Central Chamber acknow- ledging cheque for yearly subscription and hoping that the local chamber would send a delegate to their meeting on December 10th, and asked for any suggestions thought necessary in reference to the alteration of the taking of the corn averages. A conversation arose as to the mode in which the returns were obtained locally from buyers, both as to the quantity and price of grain bought. It was stated that Denbigh was one of the towns out of the 150 sending returns. It was argued that in Denbigh no proper returns were made and that therefore the returns from Denbigh must be most unsatisfactory and could be no criterion as to* the price of corn. The CHAIRMAN said if the returns did not represent the sales, they should give the information to the Central Chamber, and he suggested that the Chamber should be informed that the returns did not adequately represent the prices of grain bought in the market, so that they may deal with it. j This was embodied in a resolution and acted upon, though Mr. T. Foulkes argued that the Vale of Clwyd Chamber should see that the returns were really made, but the members said they had nothing to do with it, and could not enforce proper returns. NEW MEMBER. On the proposition of Mr. J. Robinson, Mr. Killet, of Plas Newydd, was elected a member. DELEGATE TO THE COUNCIL. The President (Captain P. P. Pennant) was, on the motion of Mr. ROBINSON, and seconded by Mr. FFOULKES, requested to act as delegate to the meeting of the Central Chamber of Agriculture. He said he should have pleasure in accepting the office. THE AGRICULTURAL DEPRESSION. The discussion was resumed upon Mr. Roberts' paper on agricultural depression. Mr. JOSEPH LLOYD took up the subject of tithe col- lection as dealt with in the paper, and he argued that the tithes should be paid by the landlord instead of the tenant, the tenant dealing with the landlord instead of directly with the tithe collectors. He proposed a reso- lution to the effect that as the present mode of collect- ing the tithe was unsatisfactory, the Chamber should recommend that the tithe be collected from the head landlord and seek the co-operation of the landlords and clergy towards the carrying out of that object. Mr. ROBINSON seconded the motion, and said that the collection of tithe was at present a costly one, and showed that to collect a tithe of 4s. 3d. for Llanrhaiadr, which he had to pay, it cost 3Àd. to collect, the col- lector living at Ruthin. Now, if paid directly to the landlord, that would be saved. Captain PENNANT thought the tithe collection did not very materially affect the question of agricultural depression, and they must avoid dealing with minor matters to the exclusion or overlooking of great ones. Dealing with the depression, he thought it due to three causes—increase in the price of labour, succession of bad harvests, and a great influx of cheap produce. As regards the labour, he felt they could not reduce wages lower than they were at the present time, neither could they control the seasons, though they hoped for better seasons. He referred to the changes in seasons, quoting some interesting facts in reference thereto, and thought they would always vary. Better drainage of the lands would help them to cope with the wet seasons better, and even for dry seasons it had some advantages, by making the land more porous, &c. The most serious cause was the enormous influx of cheap produce, and was there any hope of alteration in that respect ? It would be thought unwise for farmers to alter their system of farming until they found out, if possible to do so, whether wheat growing would, in this country, be found unremunerative in the future. was it cheaper to make the beef and mutton, as it were, in America by the use of Indian corn, maize, &c., and send it over to England; or could the feeding stuffs be bought in the raw state cheap enough to enable English fanners to get them over, and so feed the cattle at a cheaper rate than such meat could be sent over to England. They should not mix up the question of depression with the farmers' grievances, such as tithes, rates, &c., because those could not be the cause of the depression, for various reasons, which he gave. Many of the grievances had existed for years, such as tithes and rates whilst the depression was due to some recent causes. Rates, such as school rates, were local, whilst the depression was general and widespread. He did not think mere discussion would help in the matter, but thought a committee might do valuable service if they met and drew up a series of answers to points that might be presented to the Royal Commissioner. Mr. JOHN ROBERTS proposed the formation of a com- mittee to deal with the question. Mr. CLOUGH thought the general depression of trade had largely contributed to agricultural depression, and the vast number of vessels lying idle had prompted owners to carry over from America freights of corn, &c., at very low rates, but when trade revived, this state of things would be altered. Mr. T. FOULKES attributed much of the depression to the unfortunate strikes that had taken place in the country the results thereof having at length reached the agricultural interests. The land owners and others must meet the farmers and they must all meet the position of affairs like men. He predicted that there wae a good time coming yet for the agriculturists. Mr. JOSEPH LLOYD said they could only trust that the landlords would meet the tenants though he agreed that many of them were getting a very low rate of interest for their money. As regards the tithes they must co-operate for alteration but as to the rates they | could deal with that themselves and should attend to vestries and other places to seek to k«"p them down. Mr. J. W. LLOYD said they could not control the taxation in Denbigh, for they were entirely at the mercy of the corporation. (Laughter and hear, hear). Some further discussion ensued and Mr. Roberts, Bathafern, replied on the whole question, after which the meeting closed with the usual vote of thanks to the chairman. COUNTY MAGISTRATES' COURT. WEDNESDAY.—Before Captain W. D. W. Griffith, chairman Major C. S. Mainwaring, Mr. O. Burton, and Captain Griffith, Plasnewydd. HUSBAND AND WIFE. TVm. Davies, workman at Lodge Farm, was summoned for leaving his wife chargeable to the Union on the 14th November. Mr. Jones, relieving officer for Denbigh, proved that the wife was destitute, and that he had to relieve her to the amount of 11s. About two months ago defendant was convicted for the same offence, and sent to gaol for seven days. He now made a long rambling story about his difficulties. The Chairman said it was very clear from the con- dition he was in now (drunk in court) that he made no efforts to maintain his wife, and for the offence he would go to gaol for 21 days, and he was liable to three months Defendant, in his blustering drunken style, began to talk loudly about going to Australia, but on the Justice threatening to give him a little further taste of punish- ment for his then drunken condition, the fellow held his peace. WHERE ARE THE MAGISTRATES ? Up to this point, the only Magistrate on the Bench was Captain W. D. W. Griffith, and all the efforts of the police for over half an hour failed to find a second Magistrate; but about twenty minutes to twelve, Mr. Burton and other gentlemen arrived, and business pro- ceeded, but during the time named a full court of people and two solicitors were kept waiting, and Captain W. D. W. Griffith suggested to the Magistrates' Clerk that at the next meeting the Bench should try and fix upon a regular mode for the attendance of the Justices. A ROW IN A PUBLIC-HOUSE. Robert Roberts, Llannefydd, was charged by Thomas Ellis, Llannefydd, with an assault. Mr. J. P. Lewis appeared for the defence. Complainant said he and his wife called on his way home, when defendant declared that complainant was seeking to get his farm off him, and subsequently jumped on him till his blood was running down. Complainants wife and a man got defendant off him and took him out. Roberts was beating him with his fists on the ground. Cross-examined: Denied calling defendant names unless in jokes, but defendant accused him of doing it, and laughing at him because his horse had died. Had no marks on him now, but had some then. By the Bench There had never been an old standing quarrel between them, hut were neighbours. The Bench remarked upon there being no marks on complainant. A young woman and other witnesses were called to prove the assault. Mr. Lewis, for the defence, said that he was in- structed that a quarrel arose through statements made by Ellis, and that Ellis, his wife, and son set upon Roberts, and that in the squabble they tried to push his eye out, which now showed marks of injury. Robert Roberts, Penycae, Llannefydd, said he saw Thomas Ellis in The Queen's Head," and asked him why he would not let him alone, and Ellis denied the aocusation. Put his hand on his head, and then Ellis got up, and they began to fight. He did not in- tend injuring Ellis. After that they fought as well as they could, and the wife and son of Ellis beat witness and tried their best to knock his eye out. Subsequently they were parted and took away. The Bench thought Roberts seemed to be the aggressor in the case, but it was a trumpery squabble between neighbours, who ought to know better than quarrel; and they should only inflict a small penalty of 10s. and costs. The cross-summonses were dismissed. THE HIGHWAY CASE. The case of Mr. Henry Joyce, jeweller, Denbigh, against Afr. W. Pickstone, highway surveyor for Aber- wheeler, came on again for hearing, having been adjourned to these sessions for a report of the magistrates who visited the spot. Mr. J. P. Lewis was for com- plainant, and Mr. R. H. Roberts for the defence. The report made by Captain Griffith, of Plas Newydd, was that the road, when they visited it, was in a tolerably good state of repair, but that they found a big hole had existed, the deepest place being knee deep. Mr. Joyce produced his trousers, torn to pieces by the fall he had. The Bench decided that the Act only required that the road should be in proper repair at the time of inspection, therefore they felt that they could not convict. Mr. Lewis said that Mr. Joyce had not thought of a claim for compensation, he only appeared as a public duty to see that the road was properly put in order. Eventually no order was made, nor as to costs. ENFORCING EDUCATION. At the instance of the St. Asaph Education Com- mittee, represented by Mr. Grimsbey, orders were made to send children to school on the following :—Owen Williams, Llansannan; Robert Jones, Llanefydd, whose wife appeared with an infant in her arms, and said she was a little to blame; and Robert Morris, Llanefydd; the two latter's children having only attended eight out of forty times. The following were also summoned by the Ruthin School Attendance Committee :-E1.;an Evans, Bryn- eglw, Llanrhaiadr, who produced a medical certificate that the child was ill, was let off this time David Williams, Pentre, Llanrhaiadr, whose child attended 27 out of 67, was let off with a caution and a promise that the child attend regularly, the excuse being that the mother had recently died Thomas Williams, Llan- rhaiadr, wife appeared, the boy attending 15 out of 67 times, and was twelve years old, fined Is and 2s. costs Lewis Ellis Morris same district, child attended 10 out of 67, fined Is. and 2s. costs he was also summoned for another child, but on faithfully promising to send the child, he was not fined in that case.

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