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ABERYSTWYTH. Our representative in Aberystwyth is Mr. J. D :;LEY SPENCER, 32, High Street, to whom notice should be given of all events required to i;e reported in the COUNTY TIMES. TOWN COUNCIL.—TUESDAY. Present: Councillor T. Griffiths (Mayor1). Alder- men Peter Jones T. Doughton, Councillors Dr j Harries, W. Thomas, J. Watkin. C. M. Williams, R. Doughton, J. Hopkins. D. C. Roberts, J. Jenkins, R. J. Jones, E. p. Wynne, with Messrs A. J. Hughes I fiown clerk), Chas. Massev (assistant clerk), H. L. Evans (borough accountant), and Recs Jones (sur- veyor.) THE MIXUTK3. Alderman Doughton said lhat the minutes as read by the Town Clerk were not quite correct. At the last Council meeting it was decided that the boats should be inspected every year. but there did not ar>pear to be any record of it in the minutes.—After some discussion Alderman Doughton consented to put it upon the agenda for the next meeting. THE VICTORIA TERRACE. Councillor Jones said that a portion of the shed was still remaining by the Victoria Terrace, and he would like to know if any steps had been taken to remove it.—The Surveyor said that they were en- gaged that morning in pulling it down. TFI" -I' -.kL VISIT TO THE TOWN. I. Y THE DUKE OF WELLINGTON* .0: WATERLOO. The Town Clerk I understand that there is a large number of gentlemen here as a deputation with reference to the resolution passed at the last meeting delegating to the Public Works Committee authority to deal with applications by Messrs Morgan and Co., for the erection of a booth. Councillor Williams I propose that the deputation be heard.—Alderman Jones I second it.—Alder- man Doughton asked if it was not better to hear the deputation when the report of the Committee appeared.-The Town Clerk: It is the usual course to hear the deputation first.-The, Town Clerk then read copies of resolutions I passed protesting against the Council grant- ing permission for these booths to be erected I on open spaces, from Shiloh Chapel, Psnparkcaw Sunday School, Executive Committee of the North Cardigan Temperance Association, the Aberystwyth I Temperance Guion, the Tabernacle Chapel, and the Tanycae Sunday School.—Rev. T. E. Levi: We are here to convey resolutions passed in the different meetings. It was understood by some of the congregations that it was intended to grant licenses for the sale of intoxicating drinks in these booths in open spaces in the town and on the streets. And if the con-gr-evitlons had known of it before Sunday very likely there would have been more petitions appealing to you not to grant it. We consider it rather unwise to do this upon such an occasion, when there will be such crowding of people and such excitement in town. We think it will be much to add to the temptations already in the town. The town has a good reputation and character for morality and good conduct. I think that we ought to keep up that character and reputation, anCl guara against aHY temptation to draw the peop!e away on such an occasion. We hear a military escort is coming down to guard the Prince of Wales and family as it ought to he; but we have something to guard, and that is the character and good conduct of the town. It is our earnest wish, and the wish of our request in resolutions passed, that you as a Town Council will pnt your faces against such a proposal.—The Town Clerk said that the deputation should clearly understand that the Council had no power to grant permission for the erection of booths on the streets, and it was never intended that they should be erected.—Rev. T. E. Levi said they were under the impression that the Council bad power to grant permission.— Councillor Thomas: I should like to know whether the deputation are here to object to permission being given for anywhere, or simply on the streets. —Rev W. Jackson We object to the granting of any special license's upon this occasion and we think that we have sufficient reason for that objection. First of all we take it that every per- son present and throughout the town wishes for the enjoyment of the people, and the comfort of the people upon that day. Then the reputation of the town is to be considered, I belong to England, my life has been spent there, until twenty months ago, and I can speak of what is thought of this town in England. It has a good reputation, and we want to maintain that reputation and not sully it. There is the question of order to be considered. We believe that the result of granting these licenses would be to create a riot and disorder, and we appeal to you as people having in your power the well being of the town and its reputation not to grant these spaces anywhere, and these special licenses.—Mr Jones of the Terminus Hotel, asked if one firm were to have the monopoly.—Councillor Hopkins No.—The Town Clerk The resolution is to deal with that, and all similar applications.— Dr. Harries said that he was glad to hear of the splendid reputation the town enjoyed in England, but he should like to know whether this reputation referred to drink alone, or to County Court actions, honesty, illegitimacy, or whether the rev gentleman had studied.—Councillor Thomas that is opening a rather broad question.—Alderman Doughton I do not think it is right to question the deputation.—Dr. Harries: We want facts.— Councillor Hopkins I do not think the deputation understands what we are going to do. We do not grant public houses upon streets but we grant general refreshments which means coffee, tea, bovril, bread and meat, and beer and whiskey if they like—(laughter)—and not for drinking pur- poses only but eatables.—Rev T. E. Levi: We quite understand that.—Alderman Jones said that the committee had considered the matter and they anticipated a great influx of visitors, probably 30,000 or 40,000 people upon that occasion, and it was the imperative duty of the Council to assist in every possible way those people to obtain re- freshments during their stay in the town. An application had been received of which they were aware asking Ifor permission to erect booths upon open vacant spaces so as to afford that accommoda- tion. They anticipated that the refreshments sup- plied would be of non-intoxicating as well as in- toxicating character, just the same as they would see at agricultural shows. Although a tee-totaler himself he did not prescribe that a man should not drink a glass of beer. He considered that it was their duty to do all that they could to meet the require- ments of the people who would visit the town on that occasion. This was not to set temptations in the way of the people, but they ought to make every preparation to meet the demands of the public.—Rev T. E. Levi said that they were pre- paring for the strangers, and had allowed all their schoolrooms to be used for that occasion (hear, xney were willing to provide tor the 8ranSer8 but they thought that it would be against e character of the town, espocially upon such an exci mg day, to grant additional licences.—Alderman oug on said that as a member of the committee ° s]?PPort ^he deputation which repre- and it -a? Fee the population of the town, voiop r>f fv! a whether their voices or the would prevail lnd^ldual m.embers of the committee public honsft ir' ^at they had ample were ^akL aCC°mm0dati0nin the town. They extra policemen inGF^E,?T8 for,the Presence of 50 soldiers and blue jackets 7°' re=iment of then they gave all the fn M warship, and crowd obtaim™ 1drink i COuld hear). There' were ol ? the Pe&Ce <hear' Public Works in 5 0r? -the There were three to two sir — AlH Hopkins said that he was not against Doughton let for the sale of refreshments so lon^68 •bein& eating drink was not sold.—Councillor Th" lntox.1: that it was the usual thing to hear the deputation __1 1.'9 .1_- 7 "^standing as to their wishes and then discuss the matter.—The Mayor saidTw'- the members of the deputation had had an oppo- tuvIty he preferred not to hear the councillors at present.—Rev W. F. Roberts supported the deputa- tion, and said that the sad affair at Moscow ought to impress upon them to do all they could to obvi- ate any disaster upon the occasion of the roJya) visit.—Mr T. E. Salmon, landlord of the Lisburne Arms, said that there were fifty-two licensed victuallers in the town, and they were quite pre- pared to supply refreshments of any kind. He supported the deputation.— Mr Jones of the Terminus Hotel, asked if the Council intended writing for tenders for the sites to be let.- Councillor Jones: It is not decided.—Mr. Jones Will they invite tenders ?— Councillor Jones Possibly.—Captain Hall asked if the Chief Constable had made his arrangements with the understanding that intoxicating drinks were to be sold on the streets ?-The Town Clerk said that evidently he had not made himself understood. In- toxicating drinks would not be sold along the streets.—Capt. Hall: Is intoxicating drink to be sold other than in public houses ? The Town Clerk: That is the intention.—The deputation then retired. There were also several licensed victuallers in the room.—The Council proceeded to discuss the report of the Public Works Committee, which recommended that sites for the erection of tents for the sale of general refreshments be granted to Messrs. Morgan and Co.—Alderman Jones said that the Committee had considered the question, and by a majority of three to two thought it their duty to do all they could for the accommo- dation of the- people who would frequent the town. It had been stated by one member that there were I fifty licensed victuallers in the town, and assuming that a crowil of thirty to forty thousand people would visit the place each of these publicans would to provide for 700 to 800 persons and that in their opinion was too much to expect them to cope with He learnt upon good authority that the local trips would arrive in the town early-before eight o'clock — on both lines, and the people who arrived so early would require refreshments. He did not think there would be a greater amount of drunken- ness if they granted permission for the erection of these tents. It seemed to him that if a man was inclined to drink he would get it. He begged to move that the application be granted, subject to the stipulation that they supply all ordinary re- freshments.—Councillor Jones There was a ques- tion asked about tenders ?—Alderman Jones said there was only one application before the com- mittee, and that they had reported upon.—Coun- cillor Watkins: Has Mr. Rees Jones a report upon these sites ? -The Survey said the only two places that he could think suitable were the open space between the schoolroom and the station, and the space at the back of the Town Hail.—Alderman Doughton asked if the report was seconded.— Councillor Thomas said it did not need a seconder, because so far as it went permission had already been granted. Pow;-r in the matter had been given to the Public Works Committee, but, at the same time, it was a question whether the subject should be left open for discussion. It was not quite regu- lar, but he should like to speak upon it.—The Mayor I am in your hands.—Dr. Harries said there had been so many preachers there that day that he was inclined to close the discussion, and, therefore, would second the adoption of the report. Councillor D. C. Roberts said he would like to make a suggestion. He was in full sympathy with the C deputation, but was entirely out of sympathy with the remarks made by Dr Harries continually. As they all knew he was not a teetotaller, but he felt that there was a danger and a difficulty in connection with the booths, and he would suggest that a certain limit should be put upon them as regarded the time they were to remain open, say for three or four hours. He did not think that the licensed houses were sufficient to accommodate the people who were coming down on that day.—Alderman Jones asked if by adopting the hours named by Councillor Roberts—11 a.m. until 4 p.m.—they would keep the early arrivals waiting until eleven o'clock before they obtained refreshments.—Councillor Hopkins pointed out that the Prince of Wales would leave by four o'clock, and it was then that the people would go and look for refreshments.— Councillor Watkins was in favour of the sites being let by tender, as there was an impression amongst the license holders of the town that one firm was to have the monopoly.—Councillor Williams informed the Council that a special committee appointed in connection with the Royal visit were preparing a system of supplying refreshments, and the schoolrooms of the town had been taken in hand. He warned the Council that if the applica- tion of this one iirm was granted they would have twenty to thirty other license holders applying for sites. It was all very well to talk about general refreshments at Royal shows or elsewhere, but his experience of those places was that they could never get a cup of tea but they could always obtain a glass of beer. He was quite willing to have places supplying refreshments, providing they left out the intoxicat- ing liquors, and he thought that this would meet the case. He did not take a narrow view of the matter, but be did not believe in putting tempta- tions in the way of many people. He appealed to the Council to work together just now, and not let friction get into their ranks. He proposed that they offer the sites with the sale of intoxicating drinks.—Alderman Doughton seconded. It was just what he was going to propose himself. If the people in the town would not cater, let them adopt the usual course and advertise, so that they could get outsiders to undertake the work. In the schoolrooms alone there was room for five or six thousand people. He aid not see the fun of asking for tenders when they had only one space available. —Councillor R. Doughton Before Mr. Williams spoke I was thinking to suggest that the question of selling intoxicating drinks should be left out of the resolution. The application seems to me to be like a sprat to catch a mackerel. Talking about tea and coffee, drink and meat, we all know about going by train, when you have to pay sixpence for a cup of tea and twopence for a glass of beer (laughter). We had two deputations here to-day— (laughter)—the opposite of two classes, and we must admit that they are two very powerful ones- (loud laughter)—and when they came to logger- heads they fight tremendously with .one another, but upon this occasion they are agreed (renewed laughter). There were preachers whom we are always glad to see and the licensed victuallers, which we must admit is a powerful factor in our midst. Some of the licensed victuallers were not in a flourishing state- (laughter) -and if there is a chance of a harvest upon this day why let these people have it (renewed laughter). Do not deprive them of their rights. It is ridiculous that we should have the police and soldiers here to keep order and we are going to make disorder. When the Duke of Wellington was in the Peninsular war he always sent a squad of soldiers in front of the army to see that all the wine barrels were knocked in the head—(laughter)—for he knew that when the wine was out of the road the army was safe (renewed laughter). I am surprised at Mr Rees Jones suggesting these two sites, they are just the place where the crowds can collect and create a disturbance, and I should like it to be said that there were no cases of drunkenness before the magistrates the next day (hear, hear).— Councillor Hopkins said that now Pilot and Herod -(langhter)-and the publicans and the preachers had become friends he begged to move an amend- ment that the committee leave the matter in the hands of the publicans and ministers to provide refreshments, and if they did not then the disgrace would be upon them.—Councillor Thomas said that a remark had been made as to the number ot licensed victuallers in the town, and that they would be expected to cater for so many, it might be said also that there were an equal number of other places which could accommodate a larger number of people.—Councillor Williams said that the space referred to had been chosen by a com- mittee appointed to select the site as an excellent spot for arranging the choir and erecting a stand for spectators.—Dr Harries said that as the school- rooms had been secured for the supply of refresh- ments of a certain order, but the man who wanted something to eat as well as a glass of beer was Hot to have it. They wanted a place at which they could supply general refreshments. As showing the busy state of the hotels on holidays he men- tioned that he and two friends waited ten minutes in an hotel on Whit-Monday, but failed even then to get a drink (laughter).—Councillor Thomas: What state were you in when you went there ? (laughter). -Dr Harries I was as sober when I went in as when I came out. At any rate I did not take my coat off to fight anybody (loud laughter).—Coun- cillor Thomas: You would be afraid; you would run away.—Alderman Jones said that after hearing the discussion he would withdraw the proposition. -Dr Harries said that as seconder he would con- sent to this. It had been said that private gentle- men would arrange refreshments on their own ground Councillor Roberts then said that he must force his proposal respectiug the limit of the time for which the places were to be open.—Coun- cillor Williams asked if the space near the station would be let to non-intoxicant caterers.—Dr Harries Certainly not; we are not going to be so narrow-minded as that.—Alderman Jones said that his object was to withdraw consent altogether.— After some further discussion it was carried to ask the Magistrates to limit the time. ELECTRIC LIGHTIXG. A communication from the Board of Trade upon the electric lighting of the town was, upon the recommendation of Alderman Jones, referred to the Public Lights Committee, the Town Clerk to correspond with places similarly situated to Aberyst- wyth upon the subject.—Councillor Williams asked that the committee would at the same time con- sider the abvisability of increasing the light on the Terrace at night. TV. T N "OWNIE'S BEQUEST. nf+1,^ °wn Clerk read the official announcement ami snivfJLn?ImDa^on8 Councillor D. C. Roberts ing ,fe Tt"V the. y upon the matter, but for the present he would let it pass. r- n ,,f-nN DINAS FOOTPATH. of T u1!harnV"all?d 'Attention to the need of some seats being placed on this footpath, which had now been improved so that two persons onnl.1 walk abreast.—The Town Clerk explained that permission could not be obtained for the whole of the property without some delav.-Alderman Jones suggested that providing they obtained the consent of the owners of the Nantoes property that half-a- dozen seats be placed there.—Agreed to. ."PURCHASE OF THE SLAUGHTER HOUSE. Councillor Watkin, in presenting the report of the Market's Committee, said that replies had been received from Birmingham and Wolverhampton respecting the restrictions in force there as to the killing of pigs. At Wolverhampton fat pigs were received upon the owners making declarations that the pigs had been upon the premises for twenty. eight days. From information it appeared that the average number of pigs slaughtered in the town would bring in an average of 12s. a week.—Alder- man Jonei moved that they offer £ 275 fur the whole affair—the building and the fixtures.— Alderman Doughton seconded.—Councillor Hopkins opposed it. It was not a right thing that they ¡ should pay gC75 for old iron. It was nothing but supporting friends.—Councillor Jenkins said that they would make more than £ 75 if it was sold.— Councillor Hopkins: You taken them then.- Alderman Jones asked for the protection of the Mayor from the remarks of Councillor Hopkins. He had not done it in the favour of anybody, but ha considered .that if they could purchase for C275 what originally cost £ 1,000 to I- it would be a wise expenditure.—Alderman Doughton also re- sented the imputations.—The proposition was I eventually carried. MAYOR'S AUDITOR. The Mayor appointed Alderman Doughton to be his auditor. TENDERS. The tender of Mr Wm. Davies for the supply f.of timber for boarding purposes on the occasion of the Royal visit, was accepted.—The Council then went into Committee.