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That enterprising firm of auctioneers- Messrs Morris, Marshall, and Poole—who have done so much as secretaries to promote the interests of the Society and boom the now far famed sheep, were represented in the persons of Mr J. D. Marshall and Mr Stanley Morris. The thirteen items on the agenda occupied the attention of those present from 2-15 until 4-40, and some important decisions were arrived at. After the minutes had been read and con- firmed, The Chairman said that the first business for them to transact was the election of a new president. Before retiring from that position, which he had occupied for the past ten years, he felt it a great pleasure to be able to do what he had done on previous occasions, and that was to congratulate the members of the Society upon the steady

progress which their Society had made. They had-like other societies-had their ups and downs, but still he was glad to say that they had contrived to hold their own, and when they looked at the progress which had been made during the past ten years they had every cause to congratulate them- selves upon the result. It might be inter- esting to the members to have their memor- ies refreshed as to how they had gone on. In 1899 the number of our members was 26;

in 1900 there were 28 members; in 1901, when the Flock Book was published in two sec- tions, the membership numbered 31; in 1904, when the fourth volume of the Flock Book was published, there were 48 mem- bers; in 1905 they had increased to 80; in 1906, with volume VI., there were 97 mem- bers; in 1907 these increased to 111, while ,r.)n.J..I'J in 1908. with volume VIII., the membership totalled 129, and now when the next volume will be printed there will be a slight in- crease to 131 (hear, hear). That is most en- couraging, and it puts me in riiind. of a lit- tie correspondence I had with a member of the Society some years agoj who wrote in this strain: "I am writing (to ask whether the Kerry Hill Society and its Flock Book are likely to live. Those sheep to be en- tered for the auction should be entered now, as this time last year the work was in the middle. If you don't carry out the work

regularly, you will have the Society to diff out, and we ought to have more life in us." In reply, I wrote to say that the length of life of the Society depended upon the inter- est the\members of it took in its growth and maintenance (applause). I am glad to say that that state of things has passed away, and it affords ample evidence of the way in which the Society is progressing to see the number of members present here to-day. Although we have made rapid strides in re- gard to the Flock Book and sheep, I cannot help thinking that farmers are very slow in moving. Still we have a very good proof of what farmers can do for their own benefit when they combine together. We are a combination of breeders, who work for the ..purpose of furthering the breed of our sheep, and doing our best to help on the others. We have done very well in the registration of rams, and in getting classes for our sheep at the principal shows in the king- dom. We have now secured a special class at the Royal Show, and so have landed at the highest position (hear, hear). You know what we have done at the Welsh Na- tional, the Oswestry, and at the Shropshire and West Midland. Still there is a great deal more to be done, and the most import- ant work in connection with the Flock Book is still undone-the marking and registra- tion, not only of the males, but alsû\ of the females, and this I have strongly advocated for the last two years. You will find that almost every Flock Book Society has taken steps Ho have their females marked and registered. For instance, the Hampshire I Society have tatooed upwards of 43,000 fe-

males. If we are going to succeed in the future as well as in the past, we must take this matter in hand, and have all our females marked and registered. I thank i you all, as members of the Society, for the help and support you have given me. I think it would be well, in electing a presi- dent, if, instead of allowing the same gen- tleman to occupy the position for so many years, you would appoint a different presi- dent every year. We have gentlemen con- nected with our Society who have given loyal monetary support ever since we started, and 1 think we should recognise this by putting them into the honorary position of president. I have been allowed to retain the position of chairman of the Council as well as president of the Society. There are many people more qualified to fill the position of chairman—(Chorus of voices: Certainly not.—Mr William Alderson: Sit down, sir). Mr' T. Jones, Brynllywarch Gentlemen, there is no doubt about it that we are all unanimous that we should retain our Presi- dent, as without him our Flock Book So- ciety will not be the same as it has been in the past. Mr Richard Morgan having signified that he would not accept nomination for further services as president or chairman, Mr Lawton Moore was voted to the chair. The Chairman said he agreed with what the late chairman (Mr Richard Morgan) had said that it would not be advantageous to have any gentleman president for more than one year at a time. The work of the So- ciety fell upon the work of the Council. Mr Arthur Vaughan proposed that Mr David Davies, M.P., of Plas Dinam, be president, and that Mr Lawton Moore be chairman of the Council and Mr T. E. Kinsey vice-chairman. Mr J. Venables seconded. The Chairman explained that the chair- man of the Council was appointed by the Council itself, and that it was only in order for the president to be proposed, and asked the question: Mr David Davies has been proposed, is there any amendment ? Mr W. Alderson: Certainly not, I'm sure. Mr David Davies was then unanimously chosen. A letter was read from Mr F. R. Hill, of Marshbrook, regretting inability to attend, and strongly opposing the recommendation that the ears should be tattooed, and sug- gesting that the ears should be stamped only with Mansell's tags. Concerning one recommendation of the Council, he asked whether the Society had any right to dic- tate to the auctioneers what they should do, and he thought that already the auctioneers had substantially helped the Society (hear, hear). Finally, he asked them that the bread should not be made too big; let them be bred for milk as well as for flesh, and at all costs let them preserve their hardy constitution and hill" type, and for the benefit of those who purchased annual drafts ..a.r. of ewes, let them refrain from the use of concentrated and artificial foods. Mr Bache, of the Stud Farm, Knighton, also wrote regretting inability to attend. He feared that there would be an objection to the tattooing, and that the ear tags would present some difficulties. As to the repre- sentation on the Council, he thought there should be greater representation where there were more breeders. The retiring members of the Council were Messrs Evan Kinsey, T. E. Kinsey, R. Mor- gan, Lawton Moore, and J. Morris. Mr Evan Kinsey did not seek re-election, so the last four were unanimously re-elected. In place of Mr Evan Kinsey, Mr Tom Jones was proposed, and Mr T. E. Kinsey pro- posed Mr Griffiths, of Dolwen, which was i seconded by Mr Alderson. Mr R. Morgan, replying to a member, said that in Shropshire they had 26 mem- bers and three on the Council; in Mont- gomeryshire, 76 members, of whom 14 were councillors; Radnorshire, with seven mem- bers, had two on the Council, and Hereford- shire had one out of nine members on the Council. There were also a number of members in other counties who were not represented. Mr W. P. James said that they had no member within 15 miles of Builth, and he thought they ought to have one for that district. When put to the vote, Mr T. Jones, of Weston, was appointed. Messrs W. P. James, R. Morgan, and John Venables were re-elected on the editing com-

mittee, on the motion of Mr John Davies, seconded by Mr Owen, of Hopton. It was left to the Council to appoint the inspection committee for shearing purposes, as it had been done by them in former years. The Chairman announced that the present auditors were Messrs W. P. James and John Venables. Mr Alderson: I propose that they go on again, as they are getting such a big salary (laughter). The Chairman: It is proposed that Messrs W. P. James and John Venables be ap- pointed auditors at an honorary salary (laughter). Is there any amendment ? Mr Alderson: No, certainly not (renewed laughter). The Chairman then read out the state- ment of affairs for 1908, showing that at the beginning of the year a balance had been brought forward of £ 93 7s 8d. Subscrip- tions had realized £ 70 and entry fees £ 16. The balance in hand at present was £63 2s 3d. In judges' fees Z4 4s had been ex- pended; printing and advertizing amounted to £ 20 16s, while the Secretaries' salary was

£21. No less .than A:60 19s had been dis- tributed in prize money— £ 26 to the Royal Show, Oswestry three guineas, Llanfair two guineas, Penybont two guineas, Kerry Show 12 guineas, and the Shropshire and West Midland Show had been paid £10 for prize monies. The Sheep Breeders' Association had also been paid £5 5s. The Chairman explained that the accounts had not been audited, but they served to show how they stood. .I"r.;

Mr Andrew Withers: Shall I be in order in moving that this annual payment of five guineas to the Sheep Breeders' Association be discontinued ? I was very much opposed to it at the time. I don't see why we should pay this money at all, it is only an orna- ment, and we merely want to be a bit big, and try to run before we walk. The Chairman ruled that Mr Withers could only give notice of motion to that effect. Mr Withers accordingly gave notice. Mr Anwyl: I should like to have Mr Morgan's opinion on the subject. Mr Richard Morgan: This matter was I well thrashed out when we decided to join the National Sheep Breeders Association. We had then in view a possible foreign de- mand for our Kerry Hill sheep, and that being the case, the Association would be of great assistance. Nearly all the different associations of sheep breeders in England belong to this National Association, and it gives us a status that we cannot otherwise obtain. The next item to be considered was the prize list for 1909. Mr Morgan: With regard to these, it is a question whether the time has not come to stop some of these prizes. The Chairman: The money expended in prizes in 1908 was S:60 19s, as against Y-43 4s in the previous year, so it shows that we are going rather too fast for our purse. Mr T. Jones (Weston): I propose we knock off the local shows at Penybont and Llanfair. Mr Davies (Pentrenant) seconded. Mr Alderson: I won't second it. I'm strongly opposed to it. I'll propose an amendment that it be left as it is. Mr W. P. James seconded. Mr Alderson's amendment was defeated, and the motion carried. Mr Alderson: I think I had better leave now, it does so affect me (laughter). The Chairman said that he would like to point out that for the next Royal Show the Society had promised Y-23 instead of £26, as Sir Gilbert Greenhall was kindly making up the difference and giving E3, so the nett reduction in prize money would be £ 7 4s. Mr W. P. James explained that the money had to be paid to the National Agricultural Society, who meet in November, and forced them to give an answer. Mr Withers: I take it that it ought to have been submitted to the general meeting for approval. The Chairman: As far as it was in our power I have done so. If you have any ob- jection, please make it. Mr T. E. Kinsey: In any case of emer- gency I think we can pay the money. Mr Withers: Why bring any business be- fore the meeting ? The Chairman: You can bring your ob- jection now if you like. Mr Withers: Whatever money was voted by the Council towards the Royal or any other show should have been submitted to this meeting for approval and sanction. Mr Kinsey: I rise to a point of order. If my memory serves me aright, Mr Withers did his best to upset the business at the last general meeting. If Mr Withers can

possibly bottle you, he will do it. He has not come here to further the interests of the Society, but to try and upset the meet- ing. All I can say is that you have allowed him on his legs too many times, but I think it is only my duty to rise and sup- port the chair. The Chairman: I shall allow you to speak once more, Mr Withers. If you have a pro- position you can bring it forward. Mr Withers: Thank you. I am very sorry if I have been under a misapprehen- sion, but I most strongly repudiate the sug- gestion that I have come here to bottle the Chairman up, for I have come here to propa- gate the best interests of the Society. The Chairman: I take it that the -Society here approves of this statement laid before them, and I take it that you will in the future, as in the past, leave these matters in the hands of the Council, who have the ob- jects of the Society at heart, and will not throw money away if they can possibly avoid it. A committee of the Council, which had met at Montgomery on the 7th January, recommended the following resolution:— "That all females be tattooed in the right ear with the mark K.Y.H.L., and that it be compulsory for all breeders to ear-tag thp left ear with Mansell's tags bearing the number of the flock and the number of the sheep." Mr Withers: Has this tattcoing been tried by the committee, and has it proved a success ? Mr R. Morgan: The tattooing has been tried on several flocks, but I think the larg- est was on that of Mr Pryce, of Cwmearl. Some were very satisfactory, while some were not so satisfactory, but there was scarcely a sheep but what you could see by its ear that it had been tattooed, and that was sufficient for our purpose. Mr Withers: Did the chairman of that meeting announce to the committee that it had not been a great success, and that he wanted to sell his machine? Mr Kinsey (warmly): I said that with the intention of stopping Mr Wither's tongue (cries of order). Mr R. Andrew: I think Mr Withers is much too offensive and personal. Mr John Davies: I take it that members can ask questions. I should like to know who is going to bear the expense of tattoo- ing, and how is it going to be done. I should like to have a little more knowledge. Mr Morgan: I may say that this matter has been thrashed out two or three times by the Council, and it was decided that the Council should really be the ear-marking or tattooing committee, and it should be in the province of any member of this Society to ask any member of the Council to come and tattoo his sheep. The cuestion of the expense has been rather a stumbling block, as breeders are rather chary about spending a few pence to put a few pounds in our pockets. If they were goirg to establish the Flock Book Society, they must make up their minds that they were going to spend a good deal of money. They could not see a cheaper way for it tc be done than by the members of the Council. The one ear of the sheep, he thought, belonged to the Society for K.Y.H.L. to be tattooed on it, and the other to the owner ior him to put his own private mark on it. What they wanted was a uniform system, and they could not desire a better method than using Mansell's tags, for in that way, whenever sheep went away, they could be traced, and application could be made to the breeder to know. how a certain sheep wAs bred. Un- less they made up their minds to face it, they might as well throw out their Flock Book. The Chairman: I might as viell say that I agree with Mr Morgan to a very great ex- tent, though I will admit that it entails a great amount of work in tagging your sheep. If you are going to keep a real and exact pedigree, I don't- see how you are going to do it in any other way. Whether or not it may deter some from joining us is for you to consider, but I cordially support Mr Morgan that it is the only way to keep an exact pedigree. I quite agree in affixing the number. Mr W. P. James said he had had a good many of his sheep stamped with K.Y.H.L., and he was now able to read the tattoo in about 10 or 15 of every hundred. But it was very different in the case of the ear-tag. He went round the show ground at Lincoln, and found that those who had tried the tattooing could not read it, although the ears of those sheep were well adapted to it, and to find it they had to take the sheep in a dark room and hold a candle behind the ear. Above all things in tattoo- ing, it was necessary that the sheep should I have a white ear, and their sheep had speckled ears. Mr Richard Morgan did not think it quite fair that Mr James should instance his sheep. Since he had had some experience, he had been successful, and it was an extra- ordinary thing that they could not tattoo their few flocks, when that year 430,000 sheep had been tattooed by the Hampshire Society. Mr Withers: What would be the cost of ear-tags and tattooing? Mr Morgan: The tags are 12s 6d a hun- dred. Those breeders who choose to invite members of the Council to come and do them can have their sheep done for nothing. Mr Wilding: I think if every councillor is going to try his hand at another man's sheep we shall be in the same position at the end. Is it to be compulsory? The Chairman: At present there is noth- ing compulsory under this resolution. It is for you to fix a time when you will agree to make it. Mr Langford: Cannot you alter that reso- lution so that we shall not be tied to Man- sell's tags? I propose that the wording be altered to the effect that any ear-tag may be used subject to the approval of the Council. Mr Wilding seconded. Mr W. P. James thought it would be very unwise of the Society to adopt studs, espec- ially if they had wire fencing or hurdles on the farms, as his experience went to show that the sheep could pull the studs off against the wires. He had used as many as 400 studs in one year, and lost 50 of them. He had tried Mansell's tags since, and found nothing so good as their patent lock tags. and he had had recommendations for their use from some leading sheepbreeders, who found them most satisfactory. The Chairman said he had used tags be- fore the Flock Book started. According to Mr Langford's proposition, they could use Mansell's or any other tags, provided they met with the sanction of the Society. Mr A. Vaughan proposed that the ques- tion be deferred, and referred back to the Council. Mr Richard Morgan reminded them that that course was a very dangerous one to pursue, as the matter had been on for two or three years. Mr Langford said that his proposition would not preclude anyone from having Mansell's ear-tags, but it merely prevented them from being tied to one kind of tag. Mr Langford's amendment was carried by & large majority. The Council of the Society, as a result of their meeting on January 7th, recommended the following resolutions, which had been drafted by a special sub-committee ap- pointed to deal with the Kerry annual show I and sale; (a) "That Kerry show and sale be not con- fined to registered ewes, but that unregis- tered ewes be admitted on the following con- ditions :—That a charge be made of Is per score or any fraction of a score, and that no prizes be given for unregistered sheep." (b) "That a charge of 2s 6d per head be made by the Society for all rams and ram lambs entered for Kerry show and sale." (c) "That the auctioneers be asked if they could see their way to give the Society a subscription out of their profits from the annual show and sale." Mr R. Andrew proposed that recommenda- tions (a) and (b) be adopted by'the Society, and as regards (c), if they could induce the auctioneers to give a little to fill up the basket, so much the better (laughter). They were there to encourage good breeding, and their first object should be to promote good breeding and help those who registered their sheep (hear, hear). Mr A. Vaughan seconded. The Chairman said he cordially supported I the resolution. The two recommendations were subse- quently adopted. Mr W. P. James, in accordance with no- tice of motion, moved "that the question of raising entry fees for rams and of adopt- ing a sliding scale of annual subscriptions be considered." He proposed that farmers with a lower annual rental than EIOO should be admitted to the Society on payment of a subscription of 5s. He also thought that the charge for registration of lambs should be raised from Is to 2s 6d. If a ram was worth registering at all, it was worth paying 2s 6d for. He thought that the deficit caused by lower entrance fees would be I more than met by the higher registration fees. The resolution was seconded by Mr Lewis, Glascoed. At the request of the Chairman, Mr James divided his motion into two parts. Mr Langford proposed, as an amendment, to the first part, that the subscription to the Society be left unaltered.. Mr J. Morris seconded. He thought the subscription at present was most reasona- ble, and much lower than in most societies. Almost invariably, too, the smaller flocks sold better than the larger ones. On being put to the vote, Mr Langford's amendment was carried. Mr James: That does away with the other part of the resolution, and I must withdraw that now. Mr R. Andrew: I wish Mr James had gone on with that, as I think it is a more necessary item than the first. And, again, I believe, too, many of us are not on the best of terms with the castrators (laughter). Mr James then proposed that the ram registration fee be raised to 2s 6d. Mr Wilding seconded. I Mr R. Morgan: I think it one of the best things that could happen that there should be more work for the castrators (auulause). Mr J. Morris, as an amendment, moved that the registration fee remain at Is. Mr A. Withers seconded the amendment. Mr Wilding: This is for the benefit of the Flock Book Society? The Chairman: Yes, but what about my half-crowns? (laughter). On being put to the vote, the Chairman declared the motion carried, and remarked: "You will have some funds now, gentle- men." Concerning the applioation to the auction- eers to lower their fees and give more in prizes at the annual show and sale, Mr Marshall asked that the matter should be deferred, as at present they could not, see their way to give anything, and he thought there were two or three reasons why they should not be asked to make these con- cessions. They did not make a very large profit, and what profit they did make he thought they were entitled to. They (the auctioneers) had inaugurated the show and sale before the Flock Book had been started. They had gone to the whole of the expense in connection with the sale, with the excep- tion of the prizes, which were given by I local landowners and the Flock Book So- ciety, and they contributed about the same amount as the Society did. Their expenses at the sale were great; for instance, they had to find about Y.200 worth of hurdles, which for the most part were lying idle all the year round. He did not think either that they were overpaid as secretaries, and the work was continually increasing and likely to increase, but they were quite will- ing to let matters remain as they were, pro- vided the Society was agreeable to the pres- ent arrangement. Everything extra entailed extra work upon their staff, for which they had charged nothing extra (applause). He might remind them, too, at the suggestion of the Sociey, that two years ago they had agreed to reduce their commission, and by meeting them in that way they had gone as far as they could reasonably be expected to go. Those who were in the habit of attend- ing the sale knew that the work was very heavy, and all the expenses came out of the commission. The Chairman: I am sorry the auction- eers should not see their way at present to help the Society further, but they have given very satisfactory reasons, and per- haps as the Society grows they may be able to assist us. Mr J. Venables moved that the following rule relating to sharing should be re- scinded :— "That all members of the K.H.F.B.S who intend exhibiting their sheep for prizes shall give notice to the Secretaries as soon as their sheep intended for exhibition are shorn, and that the Secretaries, in conjunc- tion with the Chairman and Vice-Chairman, shall arrange that a member of the Council shall then inspect the sheep and report to the Secretaries whether the sheep are clean and fairly shorn." Mr Venables contended that members should be allowed to shear their sheep when they liked I Mr R. Andrew seconded. Mr T. E. Kinsey moved as an amendment that the rule remain on the Flock Book. Mr Wilding, in seconding, thought that by rescinding the rule they would be .going backward. Mr J. Anwyl thought there was no rule calculated to do so much good to the Society as the shearing rule. He himself had once been led astray to purchase a ram that was unfairly shorn. His opinion was that if they elected to adhere to that shearing reso lution, and some members omitted to carry out their duties, the defaulters should be censured or suspended, and if the case was considered grave enough they should be ex- pelled from the Society. Mr Kinsey thought the whole thing lay with the men who inspected the sheep. i Mr John Phillips thought it was not fair to some breeders to shear at the beginning of April and others in the middle of May. Mr Venables' motion was out-voted, so the rule holds good. A rider of Mr Wild ing's to the effect that one man should do the whole of the inspecting was recommend ed to the serious notice of the Council. The meeting ended with a resolution on the part of Mr J. Anwyl, which proved abor- tive. It was to the effect that the Council < instead of being elected in the present man- ner should itself elect five names each year from members of the Society, and submit them by post alongside the names of the five retiring members on a voting paper, » and the five who received the most votes should be elected. It was decided to hold the next meeting at Bishop's Castle. Woods' Great Peppermint Cure for Coughs and colds never tails l/là 2,9 2