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NEWTOWN AND LLANIDLOES HIGHWAY BuARD. The usual monthly meeting was held on Tuesday, at the Bear Hotel, Newtown, when there were present Messrs. John Pryce (presiding), John Meredith, D. Lloyd, John Venables, Evan Hughes, Wm. Bywaier, John Jones, Richard Edwards, John Evans, Thcs. Evans, Thomas Jones, Thos. Francis,; John Owen, with Mr R. Williams (clerk), and Mr Thus. Edmunds (surveyor). FINANCE. The Finance Committee reported as fellows:—1 Your committee have examined the surveyor's accounts, and find the same correct. They have also examined and approved of the bills produced by, him for payment, and recommend the payment thereof, viz: Manual labour account J £ 135 l £ s. 4d. team labour and material accounts .£76 6s. 7d.; balance due to the surveyor £ 7. The following amounts have been paid to the treasurer: 1893, Uctober 24th, Llanwyddelan, £ 16; October Slat, Tregyuon, £ 34; November 7th, Aberhafesp, .£33; November 13th, Penstrowed X13, Trefeglw/s 217, Llaownog .£59 balance in treasurer's hands ■ £ 331 lis. 2d. Contributions in arrear due October lilt: Bettws £ 34, Carno £ 29, Kerry .£119, Llangarig .£49, L aiiidloes £ 52, Liariliugau .£17, Mochdre £ 18; total.£318. Committee recommend that the follow- ing cheques be issued: District surveyor, Mr Thos. Edmunds, £ 220.—Mr Francis proposed, and Mr Lloyd seconded, and the report was adopted. SuEtvRyott 18 REPORT. Mr T. Edmunds. surveyor, reported as follows: Pandyback Foot-bridge.—1 beg to inform you that the P&ndybach Foot-bridge has been completed. Penaren-road, Kerry.—William Jones, the waywarden for the, Dolfor district of Kerry parish, accompanied me over the Penaron-road referred to im the memorial received last meeting, and ite found that the real oause of the complaint was the atate of the two lengths of road on that district that have not been adopted by you. The matter was deferred. Hedges.—I .have issued a large number of notices respectiog hedges shadowing your highway, and shall report to the Board meeting on January next all persons who do not comply with the same. Tjtnymatwoad, Llandinam.—I beg to call your atten- tion to the road that leads from the Ffinant to Tynymaeo, in the parish of Llandinam, which is often in winter nearly impassable owing to the water rising on. it. A drain of the length of 630 feet is required. 1 have seen Mr Grant, the Llandinam estate agent, and several farmeis interested, and they promised to provide pipes and haulage gratis, if you will bear the expense of the manual labour required.—It was decided to accept Mr Grant's proposal. There was no other business of public interest.

WELSH DISESTABLISHMENT AND DISENDOWMENT. The .Rev R. Temple has written a third letter on the above question, which is as follows :— My previous letters have been easy, and to me, if not to others, satisfactory, as they have only been the expressions of opinions which I have held nndonbtingiy all my life. Upon every reconsid- eration of them, like the present, my conviction of their truth has been more fully confirmed. But this letter will certainly not be as satisfactory to me, or, I imagine, to anybody else, for it will be the attempt of one who is not for the practical purposes of this controversy a strong partisan on either side, to bring within what he considers to be the bounds of com- mon fairness ani common sense, what seems to him to be the unreasonable and unnecessary hopes, fears, jealousy, animosity, and sectarian fanaticism of both parties in the conflict. I should much prefer now, as I should have much preferred in the matter of the Irish Church, the proportional division of the revenues of the Establishment among the different Churches in the land, but this plan is uuf ortunately impracticable, as the (to my thinking) narrow, though sincere prejudices (as they seem to me) of the part of the oommnnity most concerned damned it on the threshold of debate by the somewhat clumsy phrase I of concurrent endowment." This equitable (as I think) adjustment being hope- less, it remains to be seen what othar mode of action is fairest. Now I have had plenty of schemes sent to me within the last week by the advocates ordisen. dowment ancijust as the arguments of the extreme Establishment Party are to me put out of court by their persistent ignoring or evasion of the facts of the case, and of the circumstances of the time, so all these schemes from the other side are (to me) vi. tiated by being based upon abstract doctrines about the scriptural constitution of Churches or the apriori iniquity of religious establishments and endow- ments. I must say too, that in some of them there lurk, not obscurely, symptoms of a desire for ven- gence-of the feeling that When you were up you served us out, and now we will pay you off." Now if this question is ever nettled it will have to be settled not in accordance with the hot animosity of either side, but by the consent and conviction of those who, like myself, have only the desire of doing simple political justice in-accordance with the facts of the caae, and with as little violent charga and individual suffering as possible. The progress of England has been wonderfully free from re-actions, because it has been almost always guided by the desire to do practical justice to all concerned in every question that arose, and to confine change within the limits of actual and tangible necessity. 'Twice, only, have there been exceptions to this noble tradition, once when the Punitans set up their abstract rule of what they were pleased to consider Absolute Righteousness, and once when upon the downfall of that rule the House of Stuart came back withtthe doctrine of the Divine Right of Kings on their lips and vengeance in their hearts. The first exception led to the return of Charles II., and the other4o the expulsion of his bieother James. I believe that there exists a great model of the process by which the Disestablishment and Disen. dowment of the Welsh Establishment can be justly and permanently effected, and that is the Irish Church Act of 1869. That Act was framed by the greatest of living statesmen, most happily still amongst as; it was carried by ithe support of every just and prudent mind in the legislature of the day, and it met all the requirements of differences much greater than exist in Wales, and remedied wrongs much deeper and older than the Principality ever knew, and I believe that just so far as the Welsh question is dealt with after this example it will be settled permanently and equitably. This letter will probably please nobody. For that J care nothing. J write for justice not for approbation, and so I are content to deiiver my testimony and then (if kind fate permit) to give silence for ever more-aq far as this question is concerned.—I am, See,, R. TIMPLI. lEwfanrst Reotory, Gqiliford, .November 11, 1893. i A

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MONTGOMERY COUNTY COUNCIL. A special meeting of the Montgomery County Council took place on Tuesday at the Police Court, Newtown. Mr A. C. Humphreys-Owen presided, and there were also present—Alderman John Jenkins (vioe-chairman), Capt. Mytton, Messrs R. E. Jones, W. Jones (Penycoed), R. Jones (Pertheirin), W. Cooke, R. Lloyd, Capt. Pryce-Jones, W. Theodore, J. Shuker, T. Watkins, J. Jehu, G. Morgan, D. Evans, D. Rogers, E. R. James, Edward Davies, W. Scott Owen, R. Morgan, E. Jones (Hirnant), Godfrey Bowen, E. Jones (Meifod), R. O. Perrott, J. Ed. wards, D. Hamer, D. Jones, D. Evans and H. Lewis, with G. D. Harrison, clerk, R. Powell, assistant clerk, and G. A. Hutchins, county surveyor. SWINB FEVBR. The CLERK read a letter from the Board of Agri. culture with regard to the appointment of valueis under the Swine Fever Act, after which he explained that the Executive Committee had met and con- sidered the communication. They recommended the appointment of the following gentlemen.:—Messrs John Baxter Owen, Glandulas; John Lewis, Bryn. rorin; Richard Morgan. Bahaillon; Evan Jones, Henblas; John Shuker, Churcbstoke; David Rogers, Furden Evan Evans, Gartheilin; Joseph Richards, Meifod; Edward Green, The MoorB, and Robert Richards, Green Hall. The CHAIRMAN said the Executive Committee, so far as it was practicable, had picked out the names of gentlemen who resided in different parts of the county, so that they would be easily available in case their services were required. He moved the con. firmation of the report. Alderman JENKINS seconded, and the motion was agreed to. CLBANSIKCT WEiSaPOOL CATTLE MARKET. The CLERK read a communication from the Board of Agriculture with regard to the Welshpool Cattle Market, which stated that the Board were advised that in order to carry out any process of disinfection effectually, it was essential that every part of the market used for animals should be thoroughly washed with water after each occasion of use. It was obvious that this could not be properly carried out unless the market was provided with a hard flooring. JJnder these circumstances the Secretary of the Board of Agriculture was directed to inform the County Comcil that it had been intimated to the Town Cout cit of Welshpool that unless steps were immediately taken to make such arrangements as would tliable every part of the Welshpool Cattle Market which was used for animals to be thoroughly cleansed and disinfected to the satisfaction of the Board of Agriculture, the Board would feel obliged to issue an order closing the market for animals. A cojpy of thi.f letter had been sent to the Town Clerk of Welshpool, but no reply had yet been received. The CHAIRMAN said that the Board of Agriculture wished to prevent the spread of infectious disease if possible. He did not think that the county could blame them for their action and the precautions they wished taken, inasmuch as the cost of the slaughtered animals was now borne by Imperial funds. The only duty for the Council to do was to acknowledge the letter, which was agreed to. POLLUTION OF RIVERS. The CLERK read a letter from the Warwickshire County Council asking for the co-operation of the Counoil in urging upon the Government the necessity of passing tt.e Rivers Pollution Prevention Biii during the Session. The CHAIRMAN: I do not think that this is a sub- ject in which the country is very much concerned. The pollution of rivers now that the lead mines have ceased is of no serious consequence, and therefore I do not think it is necessary for this Council to take any active steps in the matter. I move that the communication be acknowledged. Mr SHUKER seconded, and the resolution was carried. AGRICULTURAL SCHOLARSHIPS. A letter was read from the University College of Wales, Aberystwyth, enclosing a resolution passed at the annual meeting of the Governors on October 25th last, with regard to agricultural and chemimry scholars hip-i, pointing out the marked progress in the agricultural department during the second year of its operations, and impressing upon the Board of Agri- culture the desirableness of increasing the grant for agricultural chemistry, in order that scholarship acheor es might be formulated on similar lines to those adopted by o'her County Councils. The CHAIRMAN said he believed the work done at Aberystwyth had been remarkably successful. There was a most gratifying' advanced dairy class carried on there during the summer, and the governors would be glad if the Council could do all in its power to help it. He thought the better plan would-be to refer the communication to the Technical Instruction Committee, with instructions that they should pre- sent some repert upon it at the next meeting of the Council, and he begged to move the adoption of this course.—Agreed to. THE APPOINTMENT OF COUNTY ANALYST. The CLERK read a letter from fbe Denbighshire County Council with regard to the appointment of a joint analyst for agriculture. They asked the Council to join with them and other counties in North Wales with the exception of Merionethshire, in the appoint- ment. The CHAIRMAN said they had better consider the letter with his motion, which by leave of the Council he would then move: "That a committee be ap- pointed to take the necessary steps for enabling the Council to appoint, or to concur with any other councilor councils in appointing, a district agricul- tural analyst under the Fertilizers and Feeding Stuffa Act, 1893." He said the Act would come into operation ou January lat, 1894. It provided that sellers uf fertilising food and feeding stuffs should give warranties for their goods, and imposed upon them penalties if they did not give those warranties. It gave power to the purchaser to have an analysis made. The question had been before the Council for a considerable period, and also before one of the standing committees. In anticipation of the passing of the Act nothing finally had been done, though a great deal of information had been obtained as to fees to be charged, and generally as to the terms upon which a county analyst should perform the duties of the office. There were several ways open to the Council. First, whether they should have one in their own distriot or whether they join with any other county or counties in appointing one. In the next place, if they joined with other counties in the appointment, whether they would require his per- manent residence in the county of Montgomeryshire, and his attendance regularly at specified time and at specified places. They were matters of details, as was the analyst's qualifications. The Board of Agri- cultural would attend to that, and the appointment was subjecc to their sanction. There was another question as to how far the Council would be able to charge fees to those who availed themselves of his services, in order to recoup the Council in part or in the whole for the amount they paid tor his services. They were matters which could be considered by the Council in detail and properly discussed by the Council in committee, and brought before the Council in the shape of recommendations for decision. He did not feet quite sure as to whether they would be able to proceed to the appointment of a county anal. yst at the i ext meeting; but at the same time he thought that they possibly might. His own idea was that the Counoil should formulate its ideas on the points he had mentioned-whether they should join with any other county or not, and as to the fees to be charged to those who availed themselves of the anal. yst's services-if they could come to any clear con- clusion on those points, they might be able to give such instruction* to the committee to enable them to submit recommendations to the Council when it met in December, and enable them to act. At the same time further delay seemed desirable, as it would be better to let the matter be fully discussed by the De- cember Council, and then perhaps they could hold a special meeting of the Council in January to make a fiaal appointment. He now invited general discus- sion upon the points mentioned. The VICE-CHAIRMAN seconded the motion. Mr RD LLOYB thought it would be important to know wnat would be the probable coat of county analyst. The VICE-CHAIRMAN replied that he thought such a suggestion was rather premature. They did not P"Bse,s sufficient knowledge on the subject to enable them to arrive at any conclusion. The subject was so general, so new, that they had much bettor appoint a competent committee to make enquiries, and report to the Council. At present, it appeared to him aa if they had not got materials to guide them to a sound conclusion on the subject. Mr WILLIAM JONES said he should like to ask a question. He had observed in the papers a question put by Mr Barry to Mr H. Gardner, the minister of agriculture, with legard to a circular letter upon the subject, which was to be sent to all the County Councils. He would like to know whether a circular had been received by the Council, and if not, as they were in eouose of preparation, would it not be advisable for every member of the Counoil to have a copy supplied him? Mr W. SCOTT OWEN Is there any other Council which has taken steps in regard to the appointment of a county analyst, so that we may have something to net as a guide P The CHAIRMAN: I do not know of anything except the letter which has be<M read from the Dot bigb County Counail, which suggests that the whole of the oonnties of North Wgm,. "cept Merioneth, should join in appointing one, I' Mr J. EDWARDS said he was a member of the Farmers' Club at Bnttington, which had first brought the attention of the Council to the matter. It was ,what the farmers wanted, but he did not know which would be the best, whether they should join with other oonnties or whether it would be better to have -one for the county alone. = Mr RICHARD JONES said personally he was in favour of joining with other counties on tbe ground of economy. Another reason was that by joining with another county they would then be able to secure the services -of a better man, of higher scientific attainments and wider experience, and consequently a man in whom the buyer and seller would have the utmost confidenoe, which would probably avoid appeals being made to the chief analyst appointed by the Board of Agriculture. Some local bodies proposed giving retaining fees, and having a scale of charges which would meet the expenses, but of course this was a question for the committee) to entertain. Mr SHUKER said the question had been before the Council for twelve months. Farmers, especially, and others, seemed to want to acquire greater facilities for analysing foods, feeding stuffs and manures, and different other articles. There was a strong feeling that they should have a resident analyst in .that county. But in that case he was afraid they could hardly get a well qualified man, and they must have an experienced and well qualified man to whom all parties could appeal. If they joined with another county they should take care that the analyst had an office in Montgomeryshire, where he could be seen at certain times. Had the Colleges at Aberystwyth and Bangor men of sufficiently Ifigh qualification.? The CHAIRMAN Yes; most fully qualified. There is no question about their qualifications. Mr SHUKER They are not much known. The CHAIRMAN: They do not take practice of that kind. Dr. Dobbie, of Bangor, and Dr. Snape, of Aberystwyth, are men of the highest possible qualifications. Mr SHUKBR said he agreed with the Chairman in the appointment of a committee, which could go into the subject carefully, than if done by the whole Counoil. Mr GEO. MORGAN asked if an analyst were appointed, whether he could not look after the food supplied in the county under the Foods Act.P The CHAIRMAN was understood to reply that he did not think there would be any difficulty in joining the two appointments. Mr THOMAS WATKIN said it was necessary for them to obtain a competent man to perform the duties. If they had an incompetent man it would probably place them in worse confusion than at present. Mr EDWARD DAVIES said he should like to know what the result had been of the communication made to the University Colleges. The CHAIRMAN said no definite reply had been received from Aberystwyth, and the authorities at Bangor had said it was work which they had not time »o undertake. Captain PRYCE-JONKS said the delay which had taken place in the appointment of a county analyst had been advantageous. He thought an analyst appointed for North Wales would be able to perform the duties as regards Montgomeryshire very much better than if they bad an analyst for themselves. As Mr Richard Jonea had pointed out, it would be more economical, and undoubtedly in his mind such an analyst would be more independent and free from bias and prejudice which naturally must creep in when they had officials resident in the county. If the Council found after trying the experiment it did not answer satisfactorily it would be an eaay matter for the county to appoint an analyst of its own. He begged to more the appointment of a committee of nine to consider the question and report to the County Council. Captain MYTTON said he had listened to the dis- cussion with great interest., and he could not see that the arguments which had been used were sufficiently strong against the appointment of a separate analyst fc.r the county. He believed the greater facilities there were for analysing things for a small fee, the greater would be their chance of recouping a portion of the expenditure. He seconded Captain Pryce- Jones'a motion. Mr RICHARD MORGAN said he quite agreed with the last speaker as to having a properly qualified man for Montgomeryshire alone. As to tbe remunera- tion a great deal depended upon his qualifications. If a small fee were charged farmers for the analyst making an examination he thought they would be able to appreciate the appointment better than if it were free, while he was afraid if that were so the analyst would have so much work to do that they would have to appoint an assistant (laughter). The CHAIRMAN, in answer to a question as to whether the analyst could engage in any other work, said it was a question to be settled in committee. Mr THEODORE thought that if the Council were going fully into all these things there were would be nothing left for the committee to discuss. The CHAIRMAN pointed oat that if they had a separate analyst resident in the county they would not only have to pay him a small salary, but also to provide him with a laboratory, which in these days was not a very cheap thing. He mentioned this in order that the Council might not be taken by surprise in the event of the committee recommending the appointment of a separate analyst. Mr J. EDWARDS I should think the analyst would provide his own laboratory, and be glad to do so. Mr R. LLOYD asked if the Chairman could give the Council any idea what would be the cost of the appointment of an analyst for the county alone? The CHAIRMAN: I am sorry to say that I cannot off hand express an opinion, but I do not think that we can get a man who will satisfy both parties under .£250 or X300 per year. Mr RICHARD JONES The County Council of Nor- folk contemplate giving their analyst .£500 ("Oh!) Mr R. E. JONES advocated that the appointment of an analyst should be embodied with that of the analyst under the general Foods Act. Mr WM. JONBs said he wished to ask if the analyst would analyse soils as well aa fertilising food stuffs. The CHAIRMAN: The answer is No." Mr WM. JONES Then he may as well stop at home (laughter). It was agreed to appoint a committee to be em. powered to take into consideration the appointment of a district analyst under the "Public Food and Drugs Act." and also under the Fertilizing and Feeding Stuffs Act of 1893." The committee appointed being:-The Chairman and Vice-Chairman (ex-officio), Captain Mytton, Messrs Shuker, J. Edwards, R. Morgan, T. Watkics, Rd. Jones, R. E. Jones, D. Hamer, W. Scott Owen, and E. Davies. of Vandinam. Captain PRYCB JONES asked what the committee were to do? The CHAIRMAN replied that the committee would discuss the whole question. It was obvious that both opinions were entertained by the Council. They had appointed a strong committee, and it was open to them to make any recommendation after full consid- eration. (The VICE-CHAIRMAN Hear, hear). Mr SHUKER And recommend the scale of oharges to be made ? The CHAIRMAN I think so. The VICE-CHAIRMAN: Yes, the whole subject. If the committee go beyond thpir jurisdiction you can out their recommendations down. The CHAIRMAN The committee have no power to act, nothing more than to recommend. The subject then dropped. THE PARISH COUNCILS BILL. The CHAIRMAN reported that the Parish Councils' Committee had met that morning and decided to make no additions to the recommendations of their previous report, which the Council had before them. He moved that the report be received. The VICE-CHAIRMAN seconded. Capt. Puycz-Joxzs: I rise with considerable reluctance at this moment to ask whether the report which comes from the committee appointed to take into consideration the Local Government Bill of this year, commonly called the Parish Councils Bill, whether the committee have not exceeded the in- structions they received from the Council, in going outside the resolutions which were on the agenda of the meeting held on the 15th September. It will be remembered that the County Councils Association forwarded to us certain resolutions for the oonsidera- tion of this Council, and when it came before the Council I remember your remarks, which were that it was more or lead a matter of farm that these resolutions should be put to the Counoil. A com- mittee was appointed-- The CHAIRMAN I do not recollect the phrase Capt. Pryce-Jones attributes to me. Capt. PRYCB- JONBS We will not quarrel over it. A committee was appointed to consider these particular resolutions from the County Councils Association. I contend that those instructions were confined to those particular resolutions, and that the committee ought not to have gone outside those resolutions to make a report on the Parish Councils Bill in general. First of all, there are many members of the Council who have not had the privilege of reading through the Bill, and I think the committee who had this thing in hand, having doubtless read through the Bill have reported on some things in the county^ that are affected by the Bill, while other interests they hare left untouohed. I think it would be well for the Council to decide whether we should entertain those resolutions outside those from the County Councils Association. I suggest that this report be referred back to the committee, and that the resolutions outside the County Councils Associa- tion should be taken out; or if that is not done all the members of the Coanoil should have an oppor. tunity of reading the Bill, so as to enable them to Mia a position to give a proper verdioton the report. The CHAIRMAN, after referring to the minute in I question, said: On reading through the minute I do not think the committee have exceeded their powers. The minute says that a committee of nine members be appointed to consider a communication from the County Councils' Association on the Parish Councils Bill, and that they report to a special meeting of the Council. It does not say they are to report only on that, but a general report on_th^Local Government Capt. PRYCE-JONES I woufcSSnTout that there are mary members of the Council, including myself, who have not read the Bill throughout, and I don't think we should be asked to give an opinion on pro- posals of which we are in ignorance and have had no opportunity for reflection. Mr JOHN EDWARDS: I consider the remarks of Capt. Pryce-Jones an insult to the committee ap- pointed. Mr DAVID ROGERS The Bill has not passed the House of Commons yet. I am surprised to hear such remarks from the enlightened people of New- town. The VICE-CHAIRMAN The committee were asked to assent to certain Euggestions from the County Councils' Association as one part of their duty, but they were to consider every other subject that was pertinent or relevant and that would throw light on the Bill. It appears to me that the report was not to be confined to merely the suggestions of the County Councils' Association, but the committee were to entertain the whole subject, and the com- mittee were to report to the Council on every part of the measure which they thought necessary. If Capt. Pryce-Jones can throw any light on the Bill, I am sure the Council will readily give him a hearing. Capt. PRYCE-JONES In reply to the Vice-Chair- man- The CHAIRMAN Wait a moment. You have ex- hausted your right of speech, except your final reply. Mr GEORGE MORGAN presumed they were bound by the ruling of the Chairman. The CHAIRMAN I should like the committee to support the ruling of the chair. Capt. PRYCE-JONES I do not for one moment want a vote to be taken on thi" matter. I am per- fectly convinced that the Council will be sorry this question was not deferred. I will simply read the resolution appointing the committee, That a com- mittee be appointed to consider the resolution for- warded by the County Councils' Association"; and I contend the committee had no right to go beyond that direction. The VICE-CHAIRMAN No. The motion to receive the report was then put, and carried nem. con. The first resolution to come under discussion was as follows:—" That where any parish having a population of less than 500 inhabitants or having less than 100 electors is not grouped, it should not be obligatory on the parish meeting to elect a Parish Council, but the provision of Clause 18 should apply to such parish." Mr R. E. JONES said he should like to move an amendment. He did not agree with the recom- mendation of the committee nor the Association. He should like to move That where a parish with a population of less than 300 is not grouped it should not be obligatory on the parish meeting to elect a parish council, but that the provisions of clause 18 be applied to such parish until the parish electors shall otherwise determine at a parish meeting specially convened for that purpose." He thought where a parish was a small parish it would probably get on quite as well, if not better, under a parish meeting than it would under a parish council; and to elect a parish counoil without trying to see how it worked with a parish meeting would in a small parish be very objectionable. Mr J, EDWARDS said Middletown and Buttington were two townships in the parishes of Alderbury, and he asked how they would be affected. The CHAIRMAN: You have a separate poor rate? Mr EDWARDS Yes. The CHAIRMAN said they would have an independ- ent existence, and would be treated as parishes He found from the Daily Newt that the limit of the popu- lation had been lowered by Mr Fowler to 200, and that parishes of even 200 population should not be grouped without their consent. This was really what Mr Jones required. J.: Mr R E. JONES said he wished to leave it to the ungrouped parishes to say whether they would elect a parish council or not, or if they did did not desiit- to do so to go on under clause 18 of the Bill. He would agree to the amendment of Mr Fowler. Captain MYTTON seconded, and the motion was carried. Mr R. E. JONES said that according to clause 18 a parish whose affairs were conducted by a parish meeting would possess all powers exercisable by a vestry, and what he would suggest was whether they should not also have the powers possessed by the parish councils. He had faith that the inhabitants of a parish would manage their business quite as well as an elective body would (hear, hear.) The.CHAIRMAN then read clause 18, subsection 2. All powers exerciseable by the vestry shall, except as far as they relate to the affairs of the Church, be exerciseable by the parish meeting." Mr R. E. JONES wished to insert the words or the parish Council after the word vestry." Captain MYTTON seconded. Mr GEORGE MORGAN said the vestry was a non- elective body, and composed of only those people who attended the vestry meeting; whereas if the parish elected so many men to look after the affairs of the parish they would do so, and it would be better. The CHAIRMAN: It would include the whole of the voters of the parish. Mr R. E. JONES said he was opposed to that. The VICE-CHAIRMAN I think we had better let it fall to the ground. Subject dropped. Mr SHUKER t'aid that persons who resided in one parish and occupied farms in two or more parishes could only vute in the parish in which they resided. This was a very important question, and he believed that taxation and representation should go together. Captain MYTTON One man, one vote (laugater.) Mr SHUKER It is a very important question and change. One man finds the money, and other people spend it without him having anything to say in the matter. Mr DAVID HAMER suggested that the good people of Aston should join with Churohstoke. The CHAIRMAN said Mr Shuker had raised a very important point, but unless he brought forward a motion and obtained a seconder, it must fall to the ground. Mr RICHARD JONES having made some remarks, Mr SHUKER proposed that all ratepayers should vote in eiich paiish in which they were rated. Captain MYTTON seconded. Mr T. WATKINS said they heard a good deal of talking about faggot votes, but he was of opinion that Mr Shaker's motion was faggot voting with a vengeance (laughter.) Mr R. E JONES thought this was a difficult ques- tion, and could be left in the handa of Parliament. The VICE-CHAIRMAN There are some gentlemen who feel they have some great complaint to make against the Bill now before Parliament, but they have no very distinct idea of what they do want (laughter.) There is a general agreement to disagree about something, but what it is no one can tell, and no one ean enlighten the other (renewed laughter.) I think we cannot do better than proceed to the next business. Captain MYTTON Well, I wish the debate closed (laughter.) Mr SHUKER I am not quite sure whether we have made it quite clear after all (loud laughter.) On Mr Shuker's motion being put it received the votes of the mover and seconder, and Mr R. O. Perrott. The Committee recommended that resolution 6 be agreed to, the following words to be added :—" That the powers given under the Acts 39 and 40, Vie., c. 61, as amended by 42 and 43, Vic., c. 54, to the Local Government Board be vested in the County Council; and that the County Council may, if it seems expe- dient, have power to divide rural parishes within the county." Mr B. E. JONES suggested an addition to the re- commendation, the power only to be exercised at request of the pariah meeting." Mr HAMER was not quite clear as to the expediency of adopting Mr Jones's amendment. Take for instance the parish of Kerry, which was 14 miles in length. It would be very cumbersome if that was worked all in one council. It was ecclesiastically divided —the western part being Dolfor, and the eastern part the Sara. If a parish meeting was held, it would be held in Kerry, and consequently the people of the out parishes would not be able to attend, and those who did attend would be outvoted by the people who lived in Kerry. Mr GEO. MORGAN: Can we suggest any means by which the minority can be safe guarded. I do not think we should divide Kerry, or any other parish, without being asked to do so. Mr HAMER replied that he did not suggest that the Council should do such a thing until they had heard something from its representative. It would be very indiscreet for the Council to thus exercise its power without having some reasons laid before them. Mr R. E. JONES said he would meet Mr Hamer's objection by adding er on the petition of a majority of the parish electors of the district who seeks to be separated." Mr HAMER said that would meet his views. The motion was then carried by ten to five. The Committee further recommended that Power should be given to the County Council in these cabes to transfer any part of a parish which is within an urban district to the rural parish in cases where they are satisfied that such part at the passing of the Act included in an urban district is of a purely rural character." Capt. PRYCE-JONBS said in his opinion this was a recommendation which the ooaauttN ought mi to i have made. It dealt with matter outside the -rosolw tion they had to consider. Members of the Con ference, who had not studied the Bill, were placed is the position of having to vote for something the merits of which they did not understand. Several of the resolutions did not appear in tho printed matter sent round, and he contended they were sot in a position to discuss this question. If thu xeoov&- mendation was carried it would give the Conncil power to alter the district of the Newtown and Llaallwchaiarn Local Board if the rural part desired to be separated from the urban part; and secor-iime, to the recommendation there was no appeal at The County Council had already power to aAbei jk- district under section 54 of the Local GovftJlmeU Act of 1888, and he thought that power was qufto sufficient. lie proposed that the resolution be act carried, at any rate, for the present. The CHAIRMAN pointed out that he had since the meeting of the committee read the Act more minutely, and it appeared that the resolution was somewhat superfluous, as the power was supposed to be girott- by section 30 of the.Act. The difference between tbie resolution and the Act is that the power in one caae is vested in the County Council, in the Act it j. subject to the confirmation of the Local GoverniDent Board. Capt. PRYCE-JONES said that the part of the Ast referred to by the Chairman applied to a rural sanitary authority. Applying to such rural diatxioie Lhe power was all right, but he claimed that it wonld not be proper for them to add urban districts to tka4. The CHAIRMAN It says sanitary districts-" Mr E. R. JAMES seconded Capt. Pryce-JOSM^G motion. Mr T. WATKINS thought the recommendation of the committee a very sensible resolution. Itatoed to reason that the County Council would know about the County of Montgomeryshire than wooId the Local Government Board Inspector who wonld- come down to make an enquiry. He thought they were wasting a good deal of time in discussing snob subjects, as it would be better to leave the matter t0- the officials in London. Mr W. COOKE supported the proposition, belier-W that the matter could be settled more amicably 1 means of an independent body, better than County Council. Unless they did that there W4 not any satisfaction be given to either party. Mr GEORGE MORGAN thought the final conn appeal should be the Local Government Board is • matters. The County Council must do justicf both parties, and by having the power they woldt placed in a very difficult position. While do justice to the rural district they might do an injual to the urban district. They wanted a saiegnatd* < such safeguard would only be in the Local Liavo ment Board. Me DAVID HAMER said he could hardly understa why the old quebtion of the Newtown and Llaa11 chaiarn boundary should have been inuouueed IB the discussion. He quite agreed with what bad bet said as to the County Council taking no steps nut. the inhabitatants concerned took the initative. Tht case which had been referred was one in which even ratepayer agreed and had signed a document to that effect, consequently it was not done against the wiob of the inhabitants. The County Council investigated the matter but could not decide one way or the other? and the Local Government Board official, who CMW down with his London ideas, decided in favour of tfa9 urban population of Newtown. He thought they should put confidence in their County Council ratter than in London officials. It seemed to him to be A grave reflection upon the three gentlemen who spent so much time in investigating aud reporting; upon this case. Ihe VICE-CHAIRMAN said it appeared to him that the separation of a rural oistrict from an urban m. trict involved so many conflicting interests and opinions that the County Council, as a local body, might be influenced by party or personal feeling* therefore there should be a neutral and snprsttMP authority to decide between such interests and" opinions, and he knew no better authority to appeal to than the Local Government Board, so he WM rather inclined to support the motion. Captain PRYCE-JONES said he was glad to bavo heard the Vice-Chairmau speak so independently a" impartially in reference to the motion. Hewaesorsr Mr Hamer had made the remarks he had, hnt-be would not pursue them. At pre.ellt, if one part fit the parish wished to be divided they applied to tiwt County Council, who enquired into the application* and if the other part of the parish objected, they appealed to the Local Government Board. But if the recommeudatiou uf the committee were psased they would have no tribunal to which to appeal from the decision of tue County Council. He trusted that the representatives ot the towns and urban parishes would vote tor his motion, On being put to the meeting eight memben TOtCd for the motion and eleven against. Captain PRYCE-JONES challenged a division, sod the requisite five members having stood up, a division was taken as follow^:—Ayee, E. Ja- iIH. Davies, D. Evaua, W. Scott Owen, «. morgan, W. Cooke, E. Pryce-Jones, Rd. Lloyd, sud John Jenkins; Noes, Richard Jones, J. Shuker, J. Edward Wr Theodore, Hugh Lewis, W. Jones, G. Bowes, D, Jones, J. Jehu, D. Hamer, and T. Watkins. The Committee also recommended that Parish Councils be given the power to take over the manage- ment of roads other than main roads. Mr R. E. JONES thought that was rather a largtf order. Some of the roads taken over might be of utmost importance to other parishes. Mr T. VV ATKINS moved that the recommendations* be disagreed to. Under the old system Darish roads were managed by vestries, and the consequence voW that they were in a fearful state. Mr SCOTT OWEN seconded. The VICE-CHAIRMAN said he could affirm what Mr Watkins had said as to the evils taking place under the old system. In the past the vestry appointed as overseer who prepared and levied a rate, and spent- the money chiefly in making good roads for bimaelf and his property, while the other parts of the pariah roads were neglected. Nothing could be worse tbMt the management of roads in times past; it was the worst of all bad things (laughter) If localisilw would bring them back to that old system, well, then, deliver him from it (renewed laughter). Mr D. HAMER was sorry to hear Mr Watkins end the Vice-Chairman speakiug against the recommenda- tion of the committee, who did not suggest that the management of the roads should be put back in the hands of the old highway surveyor. The object of the recommendation was with a view of reducing officials. Whilst studying to make things more efficient they wanted to economise and cut down expenditure in every direction. In some parishes which were small the Parish Council would have very little to do if they had not the control of the road*, and they would be laughed at with contempt. ft.- would add to their importance to give them charge of the roads, and he argued they could do the wtfrh- better than the District Councils. Mr SHuxi: Et thought that if the management of tlw different roads was vested in the different parishes it would be a step backwards. The roads under the highway boards had improved greatly, and at no great cost. The motion was carried by eight votes to six. The Committee recommended that tbfll tithe and iD. closure maps be placed under the charge of the" Council. The V ICE-CHAIRMAN said he had had a great deal to do with looking into these maps, and he waa of opin-r ion that it would be very much better to put them in the hands of some responsible official, or the Chair* man of the Council, or Clerk, than leave it to the clergyman. They were doubtless very immaculate people—(loud laughter)—but they had a kn-vck of putting one off when the map was required for eJex- amination, or it was not convenient, and they now got put out (laughter.) He was as much interested in the tithe map as the parson hinyielf. Mr R. E. JONES moved to omit the words tithe and." Mr SHUKER seconded. Mr R. E. JONES said the clergyman had the right to charge a fee for examining the tithe map. The VICE-CHAIRMAN Yes, I know; and they charge enormous (loud laughter.) They have se much for every year, until they make it come up to the value of the tithe itself (renewed laughter.) I know it from experience. They are worse than a lawyer (further laughter.) The motion was lost, and the recommendation adopted. The last recommendation of the Committee was ae follows The County Councillor" and Aldermen re.. sident in the County Council district in which thw parish is situated, should annually certify to the County Council that they have inspected the books, documentp, etc., belonging to the parish and report their condition," and the County Council should have power, subject to approval of the Local Govern- ment, to call on the parish to take such steps as may appear needful for the better preservation of tile books, etc., and in default to do the work at thee- oost of the parish.—With the exception of the "om. quoted, this recommendation was agreed to. FINANCE. The Council having accepted the report of the" Finance Committee as printed on the agenda, rose.

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