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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS#- ,Monda,y,,4priZ 9. MR. fJA 12 JTOSE9. It 8. Romilly said, that a few evenings sine The had given notice of his intention to bring for-' ward on this day, a moticn for the discharge of, TAr. Gale Jones from his unpris jnarent Frotn the events which had taken place, he should postpone his mctiorj to some future day, but tie '.4,0 not prepared to name—Whenever he.should bring it forward, it woiild he on the single ground th--it the prisoner-had suffered sufficient jpunish- inenf'for the offence for which -he -was cbuimit- •<e;t, and not upon any gro&ud 01 dnnbt, in res- "ec't to other principles lately discussed—he be zed. leave to con'radict a statement which had appeared in the newspapers, relative to his t?aving vi-sitedand consumed with Sir- F. Btirdel t, house, since Friday morning last, thetiuth -vas, that he had not visited the Hon. Baronet, that he offered him no counsel,. nor had any -CoiEmunication passed between thein. SIR FRANCIS BURDETT. The Speaker rose, an(i said, that half past eight -lAdock ort Friday nrornitvg, he signed the war- fiillt for the of Sir Francis, is obe- dience to the commands at the House, which he ~deii*ered to. the Serjeant at Arms, and desired "brm not 'b delay in the execution of it. At ten the to. execute it, and would himself shortly inform4 the House of what pas. serf nw the orcasio-i.-fle then stated, that he 'b,!(i, an Friday evening received a letter from Sir F. HurdefS and which Sir F desired shoul'i ."be read to the House, but this he would not ven- ■ture to-fi.runtil the ilouse should give him pe.- •mission Tltvad mad!)—It was thea read; the purport of it was, that having been elected in di.,e for,-n, his cons itnents imagined they had Jcriosen' him as their4 trustee in the. flc-use of Commons, to maintain the laws-,Lit,f liberties of the land; that as a dutiful subject, he had taJíen an ostts.^f allegiance to the King to obey hi. jaT'V'arid will never consent by any act of his, to 0>-ev set of ukmu who, contrary to those laws, shall, under any pretence whatsoever, assume the p > tr ui' the h-mg. tie slates, that the speaki-i. ■fvc believes, knows his warrant to be illegal; auo fie declares his determination of submitting only to a superior force, and that he will not, lie dart Tiot, ¡¡'cnr ihe danger of continuing: voluntarily to snake one of an* asso.ciati.on or se' of men, wh ch:dl assume illegally the whole power of the realm, and who have no more right to take him, (>if F.) or any of tin o.ous: linen's by force, tn.i. lie or they possess, (o taiio any one ol those win are now guii^y ol this usurpation. .The Chancellor of flie Exchequer said, it was Smftossible for the House to by this letfei TV! hout some n ii(-e but he thought, that, for the present, it would be expedient that the letter should lie on the fable. Mr. Wynne thought the House would feel this I,c,fter a, a maner of high contumacy and insult and as it was -a subject which called for serious notice, he thought it would be better tq defer any discussion upon it till ro-morrow.-Ordcrcd. The Serjeant at Arms then made his statement to this ettect -On the morning of Friday, im- mediately af'ec-receiving the warrant from the Speaker, I went to Sir Francis Burdett's house J was told by the servants that Sir Francis was not al home I then went to my owu house, and wrote to Sir Francis, to tell him that I had called on hint, to serve a warrant. tor his apprehension and conveyance to the Tower, and stated that it ;Y wish to treat him with ail delicacy, and -execute my duty a« quietly as possible. A little btTore'-fonc, I came to the House of Commons, and while there, was told that Sir -Francis had been seen going to his own house. I then went to Sir Francis, an I had all interview with hiln he ,ai¡\ he should he ready next day at. eleven 6 and that he would write a letter to the F leaker. t thought, it would be sufficient to execute my warrant next morning, having been directed, at the time of my 'receiving it, to execute U with every attention and delicacy to the person arrested. I had conceived thin only a nt-owr respect for a .Member of this House; and had I wished, even at that momen', to put the caption in force, I could not have done so, as a large mob was assembled before the door. I then 'returned to the Speaker, who advised rne to go hack,and ge' my wairant executed immedi- a,Hv. I wer.t to Sir Francis's house, told him I reg'.et'ed I must appoint an earlier hour than tha' -vh:<'h he had chosen, and shewed him the van an' to ta«e him into custody, which he read. ;r r"l\wis (hn ;;aid, that he disputed the legality of the warrant 1 that he bad written to the Speaker upon it, and that nothing should re- jr,-)vp hi.< bnt actual force I then bid the Deputy Serjeant withdraw, and went to the Secretary of S'a:e s O^ce for a force to couvey the prisoner. On my leaving 'he hotlie, I found a large mob ,wai-!n,, it (inor, ("ouside ing 'he lateness of the hour, (it was then nine o'clock) and also that, as no notice had been aiven 'o (he Lord Mayor, 1 should he left, 011 i1IJ arrival in the city, withl\ot civil or mili- ta-v assistance, and as it would have been im- possible t- proceed with the mis^ai ded coach through <he streets in such a state of the public iuind,~l put off :he ex £ <»»ion of the warrant till half-past six o'clock next moiriine, and_ in the mean time, went to the Secretary of State's Office lor force, and sent Mr. Ciementson to the Lord Major. About half-past six next morning, I vcr,' to Sir France's house, and sent two mes- sengers to the Police-Office for assigtance*. At Sir Francis's house, servants told me, that be was not ai home. 1 then went to the country in search or hifll, leaving a messenger in Ms hall, incase he should return. On going to Wimble- don, I was told that Sir Francis was not there. On cominz back. I left the warrant with tlwi messenger "in the ball, and went 'n my own house, vherr I staid a short time. I faster hat ir' Francis bad been in the streets, and i.uinedi- ately went to his house. On asking f >r Sir F. 33nrdeft, the servant said I diould not pet in, and j glint the door on me. On Sunday mom.rip I wen- with some police officers, and knocked at the door several times, but conJd not get iii. Mr. C'lemenlson and 1 remained near the botigo- all dav, and placed people to watch the avenues by vlsieh Sir Francis rnifjht pass. I should mvntion that on Sa'ttrday, from my having conceived dnnbtshow fir T might he justified in using force io 1 be exfeuti'in of the warrant, 1 sent it to his Majesty's Attorney Genera!, and upon his Qpinion J acted this morning. This morning, in consc- queuce oftlw directions which J had received, I vet with Ih-rty or forty police officers to Sir F. Furdett'g h-MisV. 1 had al<o an escort of cavalry to rj.ur h sn to the Tower. Thinkihsr myself I j .,C¡!;C" in using force, 1 went down with the ( Ticers into 'be area, and from that got in o the h i", whe'-e I let in the guard, and then won1 i-(i,,ni Sir I told 1'rJ that ¡,'w: ¡'xtf'eme!i painfnj to me to hI' obliged t<> arrest him in that way but that I hvl »neh a f.,ice wi'h me, as it would he useless J.» -1;tempt rcsis^n:. He desired to see my au- J 'old him I had already shewn him i)l* tiiiii to come 'v'ti 'iit ;.ci.'ae e. He wen* d the carriage, att. n lei bj ha i>roih«?r, Mr. ClciaeotsOD^ and a uicssea- ¡ ger. "I rode along -with the carriage, anil delivered him up to the Deputy-Lieutenant of the Tower. Sir John Newport wished to have the case ou which the Attorney-General'* opinion was given along with that opinion, laid upon the table. Mr. Whithread wished to put two or three ques- tions to the Serjeant. The Speaker thought that the questions might be better asked after the narrative should have been a secoud time read to the House. Mr. Whitbread 4lesired to know from the Ser- jeant at Arms, at what "hour on Friday he had told the Speaker he could not execute the war- rantt-'Betwecn;fiveand'six'o'clock.. Was the floiise.. sitting ?-It, was. Where did you see Mr. Ryder ?-In this House. Had you any commu- nication with Mr. Ryder, and of what nature was it ?-I do not recollect iiiinutely it was but a? few wordg; I think he said the business was mis- managed,—What was the-substance of ywur ap- plication ? I required a force to escort the pri- soner to the Tower; 1 particularly required a force of cavalry as the Police Officers would not have been able to keep cp with rhe- carnage. When the Speaker tfesired that, you should callatfhe Secretary of State's Office, had you tohthilll thar. you could not execute his warrant ? No-Do. you mean toot he directed you to use force before you told him that. force wast neces- sary.? Certaiuly not. L merely mentioned to him that-I was to wait oi Sir Fraucii, uoxt morning. The Speaker said a few wOTtls on wliat imme-, diatcly referred to himself. Mr, W hi tbread. prnceederl in his-examination ■of the Serjeant. At what time were you called oil to attend the Cabinet Council ? About nine. I %as i](rt at home when the sumnjoas was sent. What passed there? Mr. Perceval said, well 'Mr. CoTuian, have you executed your warrant?" I said I had attempted to serve it, )()t yet quite siltisfiee. ai to tile autho- rity which it give me to use-force. He asked if I had not any precedents in cases,ofthis sort. Did you, in consequence Mibmit a case to he Attorney General?—Yes. When lid yen. eceive the opiiMon of that learned Gentleman.- Last night.— Have you the case and opinion here' have. W ill, you jfrotkiee them to the House Yes. l i)w case and opinion were thenhan.ded to the Jerk, and a cry of lLad. readf from varion. arts of the House.) The Attorney General rose and said, that whei ihe case was first sent to him, they had msertec n it a copy of the warrant, which he folitiff was sot the warrant to take the body of Sir Franc" tJurdeit, but. that to the LieutenHnt 'Of the Towc- to receive the body rhrrt"; so that he wa ohligt" send it back, as he could give no opinion 0, such a warrant; the <x-se was ,,¡¡,fterward3 return 'he right, warrant, and he wrote the opinion of it. by >. r. Whitbread to the Attorney General.— was that the first time lOll were consulted as t -he iegality t)f the Speaker's warrant ?I haw no objection individually to answer any ques- tion; but I am not clear whether that questioi ought to be answered. Mr. Whitbread.—" That is for the House tn- determine, I think it is a very I)rol)erquesrioil." The Chancellor of the Exchequer said, that if his Hon. and LearrredFrirnd *as to be examined as a witness, the other caaminatton should first be closed. Mr. Whitbread acquiesced' in the observation, and desisted from questioning the Atttortie).Ge-, neral till the other was closed. The Speaker's warrant was then read by the clerk, and afterwards the opinion of the Attor- ney-General; the purport of which was, I That as there were no cases exactly tr. point, he must argue from such as were nearly ana la- goo's. He cited Tretnoine's case in 2 or 3 Coki?, ou's. He cited Tretnoine's rase in 2 or 3 Coki?, in which the law is stated at consider-ihie length I relative to the breaking npeti the door to come at a.defeticlaut, on the warrantor King,, and argued from them« that the Speaker's war- ran* being, in'his opinion, a instrument, the sariie means may be resorted to'.in order to en- force it-? but warning the Serjeant that it must be in the day-time, and that he must be certain that the person sought "for'is in the house at the time." Acting on this opinion, the Serjeant made ap- plication at the Secretary of States' office, for a military force, the number heTtquired was 300 infantry, and 500 cavalry.—Mr. Whithreadin the course of the debate, proposed as a question to the Attorney General, whe f her these had been a consultation at any time, between him and the rest of his Majesty's Government, previous to the answer he had giveu to the ease submitted for his opinion, OH the part of the Serjeant at arms, touching the Speaker's warrant to arrest Sir. F. Burden ?—■ The Attorney-Gcneral l'ad no objec- tion to answer the question if the House thought he ought to do Ko. He was sent for On Saturday to advise hie Majesty's Ministers, and that advice he gave to the best of his knowledge and abili- ties. After some conversation between the Chancellor of the Exchequer ami Mr, Whitbread, in which the former gentleman conceived it highly improper for the iiouse to request information of what, was going; on at the Council Board, the Speaker, thought it competent for any Hon. Geu- tluman, to put a question to any Member of the House; the Attorney General then said that 'being required to attend to give his opinion, whether the Speaker's warnwt woiild justify the using of force, in case of resistance, to break open the outer door of Sir F. Burdett's house, and the question being perfectly new to him, he cocld therefore, only reason wilhanalogy, to the cases which had been decided by law; the ten- dency of his opiuioa was, that the Speaker's warrant might be executed with safety to the person having it to execute and, in his opinion, the Serjeant at Arms, would be justified in break- ing the door; but, that it being a question which he had never decided, he consequently could not be positive upon it.—Mr. W hitbread moved the printing of the Serjeant's Report; which was objected to by Mr. Jacob, who thought it was net;esi>ary to examine other evidence before the papers be printed. He conceived the House was now upon an enquiry, an i that there were three parties, his Majesty's Ministers, the Serjfant at. Anns, and the prisoner (Sir F. Burdett). He wished that the evidence should not I)e'-ei i reel,, (I merely to crimínatin the Serjeant at Arms, but that the House should also enquire into the cul- pability of the other party (Sir F. Burdett). H he had beeii instigated to the course he had taken by secret advisers, who were Members of that House—(Loud cries of nmne name 1) in such case the enquiry should be more extensive—Crirs nf itante, net?ite !) He did not say that there were such secret advisers; but if (here were, the had as good a right, to violate the confidence re- posed in the/n by Sir F. Burdett, and examine fhem, as it had to examine (he Law Officers, on to them n confidence by Minis- ters. The House should kO'J\V who were their secret advisers. His information on this subject was only from newspapers. Mr. Whitbread said, the Hon. Oentleman had alluded In no very dark terms, and as he thought ii,, n,) very I bctal manner, to some Gentlemen who were members of that House. He took his authority, not from the newspapers, but from niis-quo'inga paragraph which appeared in theln. f'hyt paragraph mentioned, that Sir F. Burdett. had Lcea visited by several members but it did bot slate that they were his advisers. An honor- able and learaed friend of his (iir S. RomiUy) had denied that he visited the Hon. Baronet. He, for his part, was proud to say, that he did visit him once, but it was not for the purpose of givingany secret or bad advice. He-had been re- quested by other Members to call on Sir Francis Burdett, but not for the purpose of giving any badadvice. Fearing that some lives might be lost, he stated to Sir F. Burdett how he should act in his situation, even if he was determined to carry his ppicciipie to the utmost extent. The. Hon. Baronet received him with the utmost po- liteness, and listened to,flira with great attention, but did not act in the manner he had/ecommend- ed. If the Hon. Gentleman alluded to other Members, he ought to name them. Mr. Jacob said that the lion. Gentleman was not one of those he intended, nor did he state that Members of that House were his secret advisers Mr. Ponsonby said, that in that case the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Jacob) was equally unfortunate in his expressions and his deportment; for he was sure that there was not a single Member in the House who could say, upon his honour, that he did not understand him to allude to his Hon. Friend (Mr. Whitbread) and other Members of the flouee.-He thought it, therefore, his duty, to name the persons he so pointedly referred to. After a debate of some length, on the motion of Mr. Whitbread, the minutes of evidence taken If tfce bar,, wert ordered to be priuted.-Art. journeij. 7'uesday, April 10.—The debate on Sir Francis Uurdett's fetter to the Speaker being resumed, a gre, vtry interesting discussion ensued, andagreal number of Members delivered their sentiments. Vlr, Curwen spoke first, and wasfoUowed by Mr. I). Giddy, Mr. Adam, Sir J. Anstrufher, Mr. Perceval, Mr. Whitbread, Lord Temple, the Attorney-Genera!, Sir J. Sebright, Sir S. Romilly, Capf. Parker, Lord Porchestcr, Mr. Sfcphfen, Wr. C. Wynne, Mr. C J. tieresford, Lord Mil- um, Mr. Lyttleton, Mr. Hutchinson, Mr. Gooch, Lord Cochrane, Mr. Bathurst, Sir C. Burrell, Sir T. Ordc, Mr. Wilberforce, Mr. Boyic, Mr. Tierney, Mr. Owcn, Mr. Ponsonby, &c. &c. The House wav unanimous in its reprobation of the letter, and of the conduct of Sir Francis sub- sequent to the issuing of the Speaker's warrant, feeling that nothing could justify the conrse he pursued, which had unfortunately caused blood ■a be shed, when be could obtain redress at law. Mr. Lyttieton warmly censured the HOII. Bart, noticing his connection with floger O'Connor, hrorher tu an avowed traitor, and the forfeiture ofbis implied promise to the Serjeant, and de- clared he should for ever abjure him as a poIîtical and private friend. Mr. Ponsonby (during the exclusion of stran- gers) is said to have entirely concurred in the selitili(,iiti of Mr. Lyttiatou, and expressed an opinion, whicii other Gentlemen had previously given, that if the Hon. Baronet, were expelled the House, the Electors of Westminster, in con- sequence of his late conduct, would not re-elect him. In the course of (he debate, Ministers were, blamed for not preventing the exces-ics of the populace by an earlier employment of the military, but. ib if. charge was successfully repell- ed by their friends. At length, about one in the morning, the House-came to a resolution, (after disposing of various amendments) without a dis- senting'voice—M That the letter was a high and flagrant breach oftfie of that House, but a-s it appeared from the evitience of the Ser- jeant at Arms, that the warrant for committing Sir Frauds Burdett to the Tower had been ex- ecuted, the House did not think it necessary to proceed further in the business." J; was agrt-ed that neither the letter nor the arnet.tlmenf should apllf>"r (II! the Journals, t

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