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r TH-E WAGES QUESTION. I BONUS Of EMPLOYEES CREASED TO St PER WEEK- f4Ö I £ tl l' A special meeting of the Ab iC^avenuv own Council was held on Monday evening, for the purpose of considering the wages question with regard to the Corporation c-ainioyees. A letter had been received from CAr R, Llewellyn, secretary of the South Wa«. • branch of the secretary of the South V. r.<.e. branch of the Municipal Employees' Association, of whicn the Corporation emjjloyees are meabers, asking the • C-nmcil to refer the matter to arbitration before the Committee on Prodtict, The Mayor (Aid. Z. Wlieatiey) presided, a "It here were also present Councillors J. R. B'-Ciwitn. (Deputy Mayor), I'. Telford, G. R, F, J. Mans- field, Alfred Graham, W. j, F. Sadler, W. í Meale and R. Iball. Councillor Grahgm, according to notice, moved that the minutes of the. 28th June relating trt the workmen's wages be raided, and that the whole question of wager. be reconsidered. Councillor Telford seconded. In reply to questions, the Town Clerk said » that the resolution of June -;3th, propbsed by Councillor Graham and seconded by Councillor Sadler. was that the 121: per cent. be adued to the wages of the gas worker. and that the bonus stand, but that this was not to apply to James, the fitter, and the clerk. Ic ,h also resolved that no i,,i regard to the tli,it no faaher b,?,? highways men. Councillor Telford asked s?hc:aer tne 12 per cent, applied to the yard labourers The Mayor said it applied to all the luen at the Gas Works, except the litte- i una the clerk. Councillor Telford I don't Know, because the ? tooting as the yard labourers are oil the i-ootiiig as the labourer:, on the streets. Councillor Graham, said he did not think it applied to labourers who wet.»- act employed in the production of gas. and not strictly gas workers. Sir. Kyle (gas manager.) sa.ti, iiiat the award of the Committee on^Product'-Oii only applied to those works represented by the National Gas Council and a few other works. The South Wales works were 110* represented at all at the conference, and the award we. not binding on them. The question had been, raised whether all workers were entitled to U: T.21 per cent, and it was generally understood that all workers at gas works were entitled to it Councillor Tong said he Stt'u!d like to ask Councillor Graham what he had in his mind that lie sought to undo what they had done. He (Councillor Tong) looked on Cai'.ticillor Granam and Councillor Horsington as two practical men, and he would be honest in saying that they biassed his vote at the special meeting. He should like to know what opinions they held which had caused them to upset the situation. He wanted to know something about it, because he was in the dark They done away with what he should think wasa happy settlement Councillor Meale It is not a happy, settle, mnt, because the workers have not accepted it Where The Mistake Was Made. j Councillor Graham said they would remember that Councillor Delafield and himself attended a wages conference at Cardiff tor the "purpose of setting up a Conciliation Board or a Wages Board for South Wales and Monmouthshire to- deal with the question of increased wages or bonus. In a conversation directly afterwards with his colleague he suggested that the right thing to do was to go home and recommend the Council to give an increase of 5s. war bonus, so that they would be able to go t' the men and say e-cat they were prepared to make them a con- cession if they were prepared to give a stated time during which it should operate, say 12 months. His colleague did not agree, but he (Councillor Graham) brougnc the suggestion before the Council and asked them to concede the 55. He found that there was a demand for increased wages from the highways- men, and he thought it his duty to ask them. what, it was they were/asking for. He was informed that they were asking for 5s. 6d., and he asked fJlem whether, if that was granted, clfy would be prepared to state a time that they would accept it for, at any rate to the j L't of March next. Thev replied that if the 55. C-d. was granted they would be prepared to do that. He advocated that line of action, but it was passed over. The feeling of-the Council was th -t they would not go further than 33. Ultimately he put forward a resolution that they give 3s.* 6d., seeing that he could not carrv the 5s. That was carried, a-id the Gas Works men and the Highways men were treated, alike. He thought it would have been wise to have accepted the settlement he put before them when he came back from Cardiff, and if that course had been adopted they would have been saved a_gre.t deal of trouble. It Jwas evident that tfiey were up against 'a serious industrial crisis unless they were pre- pared to tal,d action. It was not done, and that was wifere they made the mistake. *If they timid see their way clear to do it now, eVea tl-iougli it was late in the day, lie believed that they would be in a much better position in deal- ing with their employees than if they allowed them to go to arbitration. He did not want arbitration. Councillor PloWnian said they had had a long oration from Councillor Graham, but what happened on June 38th caused them to vote as thev did. ( Councillor Graham I distinctly stated* that I proposed the 5s., but we could not carry it, and the consequence was that had to accept a lesser amount.. The Mayor I don't think: that is what happened on the 28th of June. '¥/e settled that at a previous meeting. What ,ve settled on the 2 3th of June was to grant the Gas Works men the 12' per cent. increase and to let the others remain as they Wde.' Councillor Tong safa that what led him to vote for it was that he was anxious that the men who could earn the money should have the money, no matter what the amount was If a man was worth the money he should have it, and if he i e it, and lf lae (Councillor Tong) remembered right, he put the question to the Surveyor in that way. There was a statement made by Councillor Graham tnd Councillor Horshigton which shook that out oi him, and he looked at the- as a compromise, and voted for it. Councillor* Meale said tL? at the only com- piomis? was that it was' h £ t?,>en 2S. 6d. and ?3. 6d. He moved 5" and* tailed to find a kconde" If they had giv<4R the ?s. they would not have had this bother now.' He proposed that the matter .be" ref eared'to Arbitration. I A.Raie of id. in the S. I Councillor Iball said it was very knotty and I difficult question, and proceeded to give a number of statistics as to the wages paid to the employees at the Gas Works ?nd in the Highways: Department and the average increases on pre- war rates, and said that if th< increase suggested was ?iven it would mean altogether a rate of 5a. 1:1 the Councillor.Telford said he did not think they were doing justice to their men. Could they live Oil the wages they were paying them ? He was quite certain that the agitatiou was the result of 1 trying to keep these men down. They had been'! uuable to et sufficient increase without joining 1 together to try to get a little ihore. If they'took the price of any' article to-day they would find ?hat i? had g?? up in comparison with pre-war time from 5° per cent, to 100 per cent, and more. Ke had no wish to. go to arbitration and put the responsibility On someone e lse.- He thought thjev to face it themselves. There was a great deal of disparity in the wages paid, and he should- like to see them put on the; same basis. If there was any. overtime it should not be: given to one, but should go rom:d. He nYeti that in view of all the circumstances, tne great in- crease ui. the cost of living and the increase in wages granted generally, that they give their workmen ^including the gas workers, £ 1 per week on pre-war rates, .but tlrat th(--y. do not,-grant the 12 V per'cent, to gas workers. Councillor Beckwith asked what this would be erlra, The Surveyor said his workmen were receiving 15s. bonus, and the Gas Manager said that some of the employees at the Gas Works were receiving ,),s. 6d. dhd others i IS. txi. Councillor Plowman And how much per annum would it mean ? The Gas Manager Ex>uglily about (Ioo 1,(-e year. • Councillor Meale said he did not think that they slxVmld include overtfme in the calculations as to what the men earned. They might refuse to work overtime. The Gas Manager sairi that i* drawing up the list for his department he thought it was only right, that he should give the full particulars, for the information "of th4g Council. Councillor Tone asked it the increase suggested was irrespective of age or competency. The Question of Overtime. Councillor Meale asked whether men who worked overtime would be paid on the increased rate. Councillor Iball 'said h? would second Coun- cillor iel rki?.s proposition on?he understanding thalli a man worked a day overtime lie was paid 3: 40.- extra to The pre-war rate. Councillor Telford said that overtime was left out of account<in his proposition. Councillor Tong said that he could not vote for it because they had soijje men who were not worth the money. They had been told so by two members of the Council. Councillor Mgale said that as there did not seem any possibility of the Council agreeing he would move that the whole case go to arbitration.- Councillor Graham hoped that they would agree to a reasonable increase. With regard to overtime, it should be paid on trades union methods, that was time and a quarter on the wage rate. If they were going to quibble about pre-war rates and other matters they were not going'to solve the question. They should avoid overtime if it could be'avoided. They should give the officials and ihen to understand that as far as possible overtime was not to be worked. Councillor Mansfield said he thought that they should review the question of overtime. They had allowed men to work overtime when. it could. be avoided. He thought they ought to itop the making of overtii-ue. Councillor Plowman I cannot understand- the change of front. On the 28th of June we were unanimous that no increase be granted. Councillor Telford We were not unanimous. I did not? vote for it. ^Councillor Plowman You said nothing against iL c ■ > Councillor Grihatn I strongly advocated. 5s. advance, j Councillor Plowman That was on the 16th of May. I am talking about the 28th June, Nc word was said 011 the 28th of June about tile 5s. per week. The Mayor You are both right. "On the 28th of June it was only the 12-i per cent. which was decided. r In repfy to a question, the -Mayor- said that it naturally followed that overtime would be paid for qt the full ra|,e. Councillor Graham asked if it would not be as welt to abolish privilege. In no class of business that he knew which was conducted on business lines were there privileges. There were certain classes of men in the streets department. Some got half a day. On the other hand there were tradesmen who got a day- and a half and were paid for it. Let them take away privileges. They did not want to .stop men working, but to abc^fish privileges, and ther- could be no question of inequality. • Councillor Iball It would, be taking all the sweetness away. It is like giving with one hand and taking away with tfte other. If men have privileges let them still c(Vtinue. It is hard for working men to sustain Itlieriseh-es. Nearly everything has gone up treble. I think the men are entitled to the mfireaseg wage. On the resolution being put, six voted for and none agaitfst, and it was therefore 'declared carried. Coitnciiior Mansheld said he quite agreed with what Councillor Graham said. but instead of calling thein privileges they should <jfdl them anomalies. There were certain anomalies and now was the time to. review them. Councillor Sadler said that every workman should be paid by the hour and not paid when they did not work The 4th Anniversary of the War. A letter was read from the lora Mayor of London-suggesting that the 4th of August, the fourth anni versary of Britain's entry into the war, should be celebrated as Remembrance. Bay, and tlyat the following resolution should be passed That the citizens of Abergavenny here assembled tvli Remembrance --Day, August 4th, 1918, siler.tty pay tribute to the Empire's sons who have fallen in the fight fclr.freedoiuoil the scattered battlefields of the world war, whether dn sea or shore, andijiindful also of the' loyalty and courage our sailors and soldiers every day and everywhere, unanimously tesolve to do all that in their power lies to achieve the ideals on behalf of which so great sacrifice has already been made." The Mayor suggested that divine service should be attended in the morning and that in the afternq^n an open-air meeting, should be held in Bailey Park. or. if wet, in the Town Hall. The arrangements left in. the hands of the Mayor.
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PEEPS INTO THE- PAST. I
PEEPS INTO THE- PAST. I LOCAL RECORDS OF OVEtl 50 YEARS AGO. I ARTICLE LVI. J On the 14th November, 1867, Mr. Jas. Martin,- grocer, applied for leave to kill a heifer on the premises known as the Crown Inn, Cross-street. After some discussion it was resolved to grant the application, the circumstances being excep- tional, upon the understanding that no future application of this nature would be entertained. Commissioners Retain Tiw Tolls. I At this meeting Mr. John Michael, auctioneer, offered the lease of the general market at public auction, and Mr. James Portnell, the lessee, bid £ ■585, but the Board were of opinion that they could not accept less than £ 595, and they there- fore did not accept Mr. Portnell's offr. It was resolved that the lease should be left open to private -offers, and Mr. Philip Morgan and Mr. Meredith were appointed to act on behalf of the Board to enter into an agreement with any responsible, persons who would offer not less than i'595. The reserve price of /16 for the street sweepings was not offered, and this was also left to the two gentlemen mentioned. No offer was subsequently received for the street sweepings, and it was decided to retain them and mis them with the sewage from the works. No other offer was received for the market tolls, and Mr. Portnell retracted his offer. The General Com- mittee decided that Mr. Cotterell should super- intend the collection of tolls in the General and Cattle Markets and employ any necessary assistance. The Streets Committee decided to rent for £Z5 per annum'the field attached to the Priory for the use of the horses. -The Penvpouud railway bridge seems to have been constructed about this time, for complaints' were made of the damage to the road from the Penvpound toll gate to Tudor-street by the hauling of heavy material for the bridge. Complaint was also made of the nuisance and obstruction caused by persons selling herrings in front of the Market-place on market days, though it is not stated whether the persons or the smell was the obstruction. Supt. Freeman undertook to remove the obstruction. It appears that the water supply was still none too good. Mr. Richard Gabb and Capt, Ainiel having complained to the clerk of the deficiency of water to their houses, it appeared that such deficiency .arose from the inadequacy of the present water supply to meet the requirements of the town and the district through which the mains passed from IJwyndu downwards. The quantity of water required for the closets and flushing wells connected with the sewerage works was the cause of the deficiency. I ? The Rops Walk. I Here is an interesting reference to the rope walk, but not the place now known by that name. On the 5th December, 1867, Messrs. Poole Bros., of Worcester, applied to rent the Rope-Walk in the Cattle Market sibed -and wanted permision, to make a longer rope occasionally, at con- venient times, than the rope walk would allow, by walking downwards towards Lion-street. After some consideration it was resolved to-offer Messrs. Poole the Rope-walk for one year at the rent of .?io, patable quarterly, with permission as requested to make a longer rope occasionally. On the 2nd of January, 1866, the Clerk stated that he had received a circulaf from Messrs. Crsfwshay Bailey & Co. informing him that they had transferred their banking account to the National Provincial Bank of England. It was therefore necessary to appoint a new treasurer. It was decided that Mr. Manley Ashwin, as manager of the High-street branch of the National Provincial Bank of England, be ap- pointed as treasurer. On the 6th Fehmafy Mr. Isaacs brought for- ward a motion as to the proposed remodelling of the General Market. He urged that the time had now arrived when some steps should be taken to provide '^better accommodation .than the present market afforded for persons fre- quenting the Market-place. Mr.. Isaacs stated his views at great length, and entered into full particulars of the revenues 'derived from the various undertakings promoted by the Com- missioners, and expressed .his conviction that the Increased revenue wlliclhwould be derived from the rents of the proposed hew shops would be sufficient, or nearly so, to pay the interest and annual instalments of the outlay, supposing such outlay not to jexceed £ 5,000. He moved that a committee be appointed to investigate and- report on* the subject of remodelling the General Market. The resolution was seconded by Mr. Conwav and carried unanimously, and it was agreed" tILat the whole Board should be the committee. There appears to have been industrial trouble j on the hills at this time' On the 5th March, 1868, the Street and Water Committee recom- mended the Board to take some notice, of the fact that on two recent occasions the police constables had been taken from the town to protect the neighbouring collieries, leaving the town inadequately protected. The Troublesome Butcher Boys. The butcher boys were,, trou-blesorie and mischievous. *A co'mplaint was made of a servant boy of Mr. Hy. Jones, butcher, Merthyr- road, stealing water. Complaints were also made that the boys employed by the butchers selling meat in the Market on Saturday evenings were in the habit of rioting and damaging the stalls. Hy. Taylor was.requested to endeavour to detect the off^pders. and was offered a reward of 5s. for each conviction. On the Igth March, 1868, the General Com-j ruit tee, considered the proposed alterations in the; Marl cet-fjlace and agreed to employ a surveyor to prepare a block. plan of the Market House property, with levels of streets and surrounding ground, and after the requirements were ascer- tained, that architects be invited to send in of plans and specifications, -the best plan to be awarded £ 40 (afterwards altered to £ 50, to in- clude plans for slaughter-houses), the second to be awarded ?20, the third ?10, the premium to 1 be included in the payment of the usual per- centage for the superintendence of the work in the case of the successful architect. On the 2nd of April the committee discussed the requirements of the proposed alterations, I and settled the sllle as regards the basement as follows :-Two modern shops, with a room at the back of each two rooms which may be used either as shops or offices a room suitable for a corn exchange, with from' 20 to 25 stalls a butter, poultry and cheese market of approved construction, the whole market,- where not covered with buildings, to be covered with a roof of light ironwork, and glass the floors of the stalls in the butter, poultry and, cheese market to be boarded and Uie gangways flagged; and in the butchers' mmket with shambles, blocks, etc. a row of well-arranged lock-up stalls in which earthenware merchants or 'other weekly tenants might akeep their goods a large and I well-arraaged vegetable market with a good ançl convenient platform for loading and unloading to widen the Market-lane by six inches from the corner of the Town Hall abutting on Cross-street for a sufficient distance down the lane. Mr. Isaacs and Mr. Tucker undertook to see Mr. Howard attfl inquire on what terms he would depose of a portion of a cottage at thenorth- east corner of the market and a portion of the smith's shop in Market-lane, with the object of. making an entrance for carts, etc., into the proposed vegetable market.
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Abergavenny Board of Guardians.…
Abergavenny Board of Guardians. — QUESTION OF ASSISTANT MASTER AGAIN. I The fortnightly meeting of the Abergavenny Board of Guardians was held on Friday, Col. W. Williams presiding. There were also present Mr. H. J. Gwillim (vice-chairman), Mrs. Hiiey, Rev. Father -Wray, .Messrs. Robert Johnson, Charles Thomas, Robert Workman, William Haines, Wm. Biggs, loliii Jenkins, Jos. How-ells aud Thos. Thomas. Assistant Master or Porter? I There were three applications for the position of assistant master at the Workhouse during the absence of the Master on service. The applicants were from Suttoo Coldfield, Garstang (Lanes.) and Long Ashtcoi. Two of them are married and one single, and two-of "them are discharged soldiers. The Chairman said that they ifcd an interest- ing discussion at the House Committee the previous day, and he asked Mr. Baynam or Mr. Howells to give the views of the committee. Air, Howells said he did not agree with the views of the Chairman, and it was better for the Chairman to giare his own versi oil. I The Chairman said that the matron was present, and knowing the valuable services she was rendering they entered fully into the matter, and after a long discussion Mr. Baynam made the excellent suggestion that they should employ a porter. The matron stated that. there was a man in the house who coutd act as porter, if he was passed .by ,the doctor. As the matron said, if they engaged an assistant master he must have his own apartments. Had they the apartments to spare for the purpose? Mr. Baynam was strongly in favour of having a porter, and he (the Chairman) supported him. Mrs. Williams stated that she knew of a party who could do the books, if he was paid for it. The Clerk said that they had a resolution on the books to appoint an assistant master, Mr. Howells said that he could not follow the Chairman. He knew what they had done at the last Board and the Board previous, and the Lbcal Goverhment Board sanctioned what they asked for. In the face of that he could not join with the Chairman in undoing what they had already done. Father Wray At any rate, before we act upon it that resolution would. have to be re- scinded. The Matron said that what she told the House, Committee was that -failing to get an assistant master she would do her best with a good' parter. A man in the shelter had asked for the position of porter, and she promised- to mention the matter to the Guardians, but. she had not asked for this man to be appointed. The Vice-Chairman said that personally he thought it was bettero appoint a qualified man who was capable of performing all the duties, and not simply those of porter. The amount they would save by the appointment of a porter only'was very small and it was not worth while getting an inefficient man. Howells I • wSnt to do everything to assist the matron as far as possible. Mr. Baynam said he was not present at the last meeting of the Guardians, but 'he saw the report in the Chronicle." It seems that, then- decided to advertise for an assistant master. Well, the matron was doing the master's work. about "the porter's work? It was with regard to the porter's work that the difficulty arose. The matron was doing, her work very well, but she must have a pdrter to take things in and out and see to the vagrants. They had had a i)c;rt,- and labour master in the past, but the master had done those two jobs. They could not go on without a- porter. Mr. Howflls The position was that- we ad- vertised for a porter and failed to get an applica- tion. The master said he would try to manage with an inmate, and we have got on very well. ■ Mr. WQrkiiian Are we forgetting Mr. SbJd- heffeme ? Father Wray Kû, I- Mr. Studholmers Position. Y I Mr. Workman said that Mr.' Studholme had I served them well ever since lie had been with them. He took the office, of relieving officer during the war, 'and he filled a gap to help the master when John O'Neal went away. He thought he should be given the first opportunity of doing the books, which the Chairman • had suggested should be given to another. person. They had three applicants for ,the post, and two of them were married men, and naturally Mr. Studholme would robably feel it if they gave the post to one of fhem and left him out. They had in Mr. Studholme a capable, man who could do the books efficiently and keep them up to date. He had great pleasure in proposing that the Local, I Gowrmnent Board be asked to sanction Mr. Studholme being assistant master of the in- stitution -during Mr. Williams's absence. He did not think it. was right that they should ask anyone else, when Mr. Studholme gave up a re- munerative appointment at Hereford for their sakes. It was their bounden duty to help a man who had helped them. Father Wray It is only fair to say that Studholihe said himself that he could not do the books. That is the only reason you 'have had these applications. Mr. Studholme The most important part of the discussion was that' the assistant master must be resident at the house. 1 The Vice-Chairman When we decided to I adyertise for an assistant master, I certainly f understood that Mr. Studholme was not in a position to undertake these duties. Mr.' Studholme That was so, because there was no clerical assistance, but the position has changed since,John O'Neal has returned. The Vice-Chairman You distinctly gave the Board to understand that you could not under- take the duties permanently. Mr. Studholme Yes.. Father Wray That is tne reason the adver- tisements were inserted. Mr. Studholme That was only one reason. The Vice-Chairman If you had said you were prepared to do the work the BoardOv7ould have appointed you. Mr. Workman Mr: Studholme is quite right in saying that with the.help of a clerk end porter -he•would be able to fill the office of assistant master. The Vice-Chairman What help has the matron at the house 2 We must have a resident master. If we appoint Mr. Studholme will he reside at the house ? Mr. Studholme No, certainly not. The Chairman: -The point, is that we have not got the accommodation for a resident master. All the matron asks for is a portet. Mr. Howells You are conftising matters. The Matron What I said was that if you failed to get an assistant master I would do what I could with the books, if the Guardians would allow me a u-iair to come in and help, but I must havo^a porter who would see to the tramps, the wood cutting and the garden. i c not failed .to The VicerChairman We have not failed to get an assistant master. We have three appli- cations.. « The Chairman Where are you going to put liim V A Laughing Stock." The Chairman said he. would give notice -to rescind the resolution to appoint an assistant master « The Vice-Chairman said he did not see why one man should stop the discussion in this way. ,Could he get up and say he gave notice* to move the rescinding of a resolution and so stop the whole of the business ? < The Chairman Yes. Mr. Howells And if your resolution is carried I shall give notice to niove that it be rescinded. The Chairman I should not Be surprised if you did. (Laughter). I The Matron said that she had no help at the house from about 5 o'clock in the evening till about 10 o'clock next morning. What was she going to do between those hours if there were awkward inmatas to deal with ? Father Wray We can't help that. The Chairman said they had been told there was no accommodation. The Matron We will have to make room. Mr. Howells There is no doubt room can be l made.. II • Mr. Johnson It appears not, Mr. Howells I say yes." The Chairman And I say no. The Vice-Chairnian said that the Guardhus I, would again be a laughing stock Nvheil thi-, dis- I cussion appeared. The Chairman said he was used to that and could stand it. » In consequence of the Chairman's notice "the ¡' matter was deferred. A letter was read from Mr. William*, who is now engaged in she audit department of the j Central I'ay Office at Woking, stating that he was wishful to complete the accounts for the I past quarter before the meeting of the Finance Committee. The Cierl; was instructed to apply to the commanding oiffcer for leave of absence for the purpose. ♦——
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Usk Board of Conservators.I
Usk Board of Conservators. I Netting of the River. I I PROPOSALS TO ASSIST THE FOOD SUPPLY. An extraordinary- meeting of the Csk Board j of Conservators was- held at the Town Hall, •Abergavenny,- on Friday, to consider a report of the Executive Committee, who had been asked to deal with the questions as to whether it is possible to assist the food supply from the existing stock of salmon or trout in the river, and, if so, by what means this result could best be attained. Sir. Reg. Herbert of Clytha presided, and there Were also present Colonel Sandemau, Capt. J. D.J). Evans, Mr. H. E. Grey, < i Mr. Ant horn.' H. Miers, Mr. J. 0. Marsh, Mr. Iltyd Gardner, Mr. E. C. Maurice, Mr. Gower I Andrews, Rey. D. Sannders, Jones and Mr. L Pvm. Committee's Recommendations. I Shtortlv ,the recommendations of the com- mittee were as follows :—As regards trout (i) the netting of the river generally isviiot advisable, but that in special cases the committee be em- powered to authorise netting by fishery owners' (who are occupiers) or lessees (2) that fishery owners and lessees be -asked to encourage rod and line: .fishing (3) that-the--fishing season should be extended to October and, and (4) that the time of f-sh-in, should be extended by one Lour.' -As regards salmon, that netting should be permitted in the month of September, if the time of sale be extended to that month. As regards salmon, trout and coarse fish, that where the fish are taken for the purpose of assisting the food supply no net licence duty be charged.. .'1 he Cnalrman said the principal thing they had to decide was the question of nfetting, for trout- This was the cause of the trouble which arose at Brecon, where people wanted to net trout, as they considered the river was swarming with fish. Did they think the proposals of the Executive Committee would meet the case ? He did not know whether, there was any single propriAcr who would apply for permission to net tile Col. Sandeman There lray he some, and if so, well and good. If they''have an abundance of trout it will be a good'thing to take some cut. Capt. Evans says he has too many. Capt. Evans said that. he had modified his vi(*s;s on account of the considerable increase of poaching. poacL, Iltyd Gardner That is due to the feeling- of the public with regard to the food supply. I am sure the ptiblic4are against us. Capt. Evans I don't think so. In the Brecon district the poaching which is being done is done entirely by the old hands. There ?s no poaching done bv people who have' a bad feeling against the Board. Mr. GardnerWhat.I mean is that people who see the poaching do not give us all the help they could. Capt. Evans; They never did in our district.. Mr. Grey said that the cause of the increased poaching was that there was a great shortage of water bailiffs, and these who had been put on were not as good as those who had been taken oft, and these chaps took advantage of it. I No Fish On Sale But For Poaching. I Mr Marsh said that they hafi. not considered the question from the point of view of the supply I of food to the community. Would there be any I fish in the market at all if there was no poaching ? I If you do nothing to help it is'a question whether you won't have more poaching and have the sympathy of the public against you" he added. I The Chairman You don't mean, seriously, to sav that the netting of trout in the Usk will make the slightest difference to the food supply. ¡ Mr. Marsh If there was no poaching we should not have any. trout at all. I The Chairman said that Mr. Lundv's netting for dace in the river only resulted* in Isofo; being caught in two days. The first day o,,Ilv i two fish were caught. j I Mr. Marsh The question is whether the food sapply can be helped at all. It is helped now by j poaching. The Chairman To what extent ? 3 Mr. Marsh I am told that the trout we see on the slabs at Cardiff are all poached. The' Chairman You advocate ftetting to prevent poaching ? I Á Mr. Marsh I don't advocate that particu- j larly, but I think we ought to do anything we can to bring food into the market. j The Chairman 'How on earth are you to say j how many trout will remain in the river when J vou are hettiii- ?. ? Mr. Marsh That is a matter for experts. It has been said that netting might be carried out with good results. I am not in favour of denuding the river of fish. We are called here | to deal with a certain position, and we are not f meeting it in this way at all. I Mr. Grey The committee propose to meet the, difficulty. as far as regards the food supph; without doing, damage to the river. They suggest that fishery owners should- be asked to encourage rod and line fi?hing. I ap g1Vlngfar 'modays on. my water'this year, and I suppose others are doing the same. The result is that the fish which are caught by these rods do help the food supply in a legitimate .way and in a way which will not damage the river. I am per- fectly certain that twice as many fish are caught by other persons on my, water thamin other years. Mr. Marsh I am glad to hear that, but I have not seen much of it in my own neighbourhood. Water Not Adequately Fished. Capt. Evans said that what really stirred him up to bring this matter forward—what "-stuck in his gizzard" -was that there were people who were not fishing tilth water attything like they ought to do. He was against netting, if it could be avoided, but he suggested it for that reason. He, considered then, and he considered still, that there was. a lot of water in the river which was not adequately fished at all. He suggested that they should ask for a return from owners as to the amount of fish caught in their waters f6 date, O to what was anticipated to be caught by the end of the season, and how many rods and how many days' fishing were allowed. Then they would see whether the water was properly fished or not. Mr. Miers You can ask for it, but it is obligatory Ca?t. Evans You can make it compulsory. Farmers have to make a return of everything nowadays. Mr. Iltyd Gardner said that there were bodies with more power than they had', and if they met them fairly they would be all right, but it they did not they. would be all wrong. He approved of the recommendations as a whole, but there was a blot on them, and that was that they did not seem inclined to take any action against such people as tliose mentioned by Capt. Evans. When'they had a man who kept the water to himself and did not fish it, something more drastic than this resolution was necessary. He was sure there were patches of water which were not fairly and reasonably fished, and they should do something to get these brought on a level with the others. H they left things as they were at present it meant that the decent man would suffer for the- bad man. Mr. I'ym said he -would like to hear of any I'Yttt ,?ti ?l,,2 would like ?lt-? lic ,ir of any Capt. Evans said that the'mere fact of calling .for a return would have a beneficial effect.' The Chairman: Would you expect the poachers to-mafe a return of what they caught ? Mr. Gardner :L would be very useful to u? if they would to be att The4Chairman said there seemed to be an extraordinary idea that there w.as an-?normous ainoirnt of in the river. He would like to know what results they were likely to get from netting arid how often they proposed to net. Capt. Evans We don't want to 'net at all That is what we want to avoid. Waiting Not Worth While. Mr. E. C. Maurice said lie gathered that, Capt. Evans's intention was to add to the food supply. :(11 the first prace;- .he did not think anybody 'could say there was a serious shortage of food-at the present time. In, the second place he h e secon d place he would like to ask what they were -going to get ? Supposing they netted1"^ miles of the river, and took. out, as Capif Evans proposed, 5cwt. to gross weight of fish, of which nearly half would be offal. They would not have more thjiu.371 cwt. of actual food, and -that of a most perishable nature. He did not know what it would xost to get it. bid vieen they had got ft he-did notaaelieve it \Y,H,h save a single pound of'-meat, but it would simply be eaten in addition to the present. menu. On the other hand they would take out 16,000 or 17,000 more fish from the river and would very seriously damage the fishing. Capt. Evans said that the IJsk. was oue of the most prolific* rivers in the United Kingdom, and he gave as one reason the enormous quantity of food which Was available for the fish.' He went on to say that if til these fish v-ete taken out it would be a great advantage to the river, as it would" allow the food to increase. That seemed to him to be senseless He did not think that the Usk was a particularly prolific river. People with whom he had talked on the matterdid not seem <:& think that the river was overstocked. Capt. Evans seemed to make a dead set'at the Buckland water, for what reason lie did not kno w.' He did not know that he had any recent • acquaintance with that water. There were not nearly so many fish there as there used to be. The chief point was that when they had carried out the scheme they would have nothing to show for it. The Chairman said that fishing used to be looked upon more as an amusement than as a means of supplying food, and. he thought that at the present time-men might do much better work for their country than spend their time netting the river. f" A Warning to Fishery. Owners. Mr. iltyd Gardner moved as an-.addition to clause 2 "That all ocoupiers of Mhing be warned that unless this matter be reasonably d?alt with by them more drastic action may httve to be taken by the Conservators. I Mr. f 0. M?.rsh seconded i and remarked that f it had been advocated at the Mofimoutlrshire County Council that the public should be allowed to go and fish, on the river .without any sort of leai-e, and this v/as opposed by Mr. Gardner* hiiriself and others. They wanted to meet this- matter in a reasonable "way and to allay any public feeliilg there might be. He went 25 far as Capt. Evatft, that the occupiers should, be asked to give a return of the facilities allowed and the amount of fish caught. Capt. Evans said he w:as net" down" on the Buckland water, but he quoted it because he had the exact figure (one rod to half a mile). The Buckland water was much superior to his—the assessment alone showed it-v-but on his waler he had considerably over one rod to every half-mile, and he could go out and catch a good basket. He considered that the Buckland water was in- adequately fished for such water in these times. Mr. Marsh If other fishery owners would take a leaf out of Capt. Ealls's book there would not be any trouble I Capt. Evans My fishing is not a penny the worse, and it would not do any harm to some other fishery owners to know that. Mr. Iltyd Gardner's resolution was carried and added.to clause 2, bivd the recommenda- tions were adopted. Capt. Evans proposed that a voluntary return such as he had suggested should be asked for from occupiers of fisheries. The Rev. D. Saunders Tones seconded, and it was carried. The Clerk said that the sanction of the Board of Agriculture would have to be obtained to these proposals, and when that was obtained,he ►would send out a circular letter. 41—
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