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ABERGAVENNY BOARD OF k GUARDIANS. Remunerai'on Ct Religious Instructors. PROPOSITI ?J FOR INCREASE DEFEATED, The fonni.c'itlv meet in:- of the Abergavenny Board of was held on Fridav, Col. W. Williams i 'i'" There were a lso present 3VIr. H. J. (jwillim (vice-chairman,, Rev. H. iloriro T }ress^. J. PncV.rd. R. S. l. T,iw..ic, Alfred Howards, W. Ivlorris, Jos. j Howelis, Win. Jones, James Harrison, John Baynam, Robert Johnson, Joseph Griffiths, I Walter Jol:u->ii and Matthew J. Knight. J Master's Report. I The M. •• -'h t there -ore n tV j house 56 n lCl'7.On1e nand 13 children, a total of o'h 0 d■■ .r,'se cf one compared with the correspond!period of laSt year. There were 75 casuals relieved during the fortnight, com- pared with an increase of 2'. Faynunt cf Religious Irslncto.-s. .J ,I j .t'J\ -)-4J t. The II. Morice Jones, who had previously I given notice of a resolution to increase the re- munerati" of the religious instructors at the house to £ 2 5 per annum each, said that he should like to modify the resolution, as he was afraid that He w<'>id r.ot receive much sr.poort from his colleagues if he adhered to the original proposition embodying an increase of 100 per cent. He thought he might elicit the sympathy of some of them if lie moved that a bonus of 50 per cent, be given to the two religious instructors He had obtained, through the Clerk, a few statistics TS to the salaries paid to religious in- structors hi neighbourii-g unions. They were as follows — Newport Church of England, Nonconformist £ 70, Roman Catholic 50 Chepstow Church of England £30; Noncon- formist /15, Roman Catholic £ 5 Monmouth Church of England {20, Nonconformist L I Roman G-.tholic nil Hereford Church of England -50. Nonconformist and Roman Catho- lic no ix: .ev.ition Crickhowell Church, of Engand 10, Nonconformist CT5 Bedwellty services conducted by the different ministers gratuitc;- "y Pontypool: sen-ices conducted voluntarily. Mr. Morice Jones remarked that all the ortic rs had received war bonuses, and. it seemed hard that they should ignore the claims of the r-ligious instructors. It was true that they had re >t made any application, but they were too dignified, he took it. to make any application. The^C!i; irman Would you name the amount instead of giving the percentage, and then we can und-rstdiul it. The Rev. Morice Jones £ iS 15s. Mr. Workman seconded, and said that, know- ing the two religious instructors, he could testify to their kindness and willingness to do all they possibly could for the interests of the inmates. other days th?t ii They were frequently there 011 other days than Sundays, and if they were called in every day in the week, and the time was at their disposal, undoubtedly they would most willingly attend. Let the Board give them something reasonable and tangible to enable them to live in the manner in which ministerial instructors should live. The Chairman How often do they come ? The Rev. Morice Jones They come as often as they are required. Mr. Alfred Edwards said that their visits averaged a week. Outside Their Calling. Mr. Harrison said that there was one aspect of the question which he should like to put for- ward, a:: d that was that the religious instructors were not wholly maintained by what the Board paid them. It seemed to be inferred that that was all they were getting, and that without an increase they would not be able to wear respect- able clothes and get about among the public. He held that the churches to which they be- longed should pay them a living wage. This was what Lhey called in business a side line." It was a part of their income which was outside their real calling. Mr. Morris I hardly agree with you there. Mr. Harrison said that there were other ministers who would perhaps gladly fill the office if it were offered them. If they increased the two to /15 and paid the Roman Catholic £7 10s. a year for his visits to his people, he thought it would meet the case, and that would make it would meet the case, a- £ 37 ios. a year, exactly the same amount as the Rev. Morice Jones proposed to pay the two religious instructors. Mr. Alfred Edwards seconded the amendment. Mr. Joseph Howells supported the proposition and said he thought that Mr. Harrison was a little bit out of order, as the Roman Catholic priest was not in question. Mr. Baynam said that he was one of the largest ratepayers in the union, and it was very strange to him that they should offer money before it was asked for. He did not agree with it. It was time enough to give an increase when they were asked for more money, and he said so on behalf of the ratepayers. Mr. Thorne said that he was going to say the same thing. He did not know what thev were coming to. They were probably going to give money to someone who did not want it, and probably they could have done the same as other unions, and obtained the services free of charge. Had they tried it ? The Clerk Yes, and it was not a success, I understand. Big and Little Ratepayers. I Mr. Morris said that he believed that at one time the Local Government Board onlv recog- nised the Anglican Church in this matter, and some difficulty arose when the Church of England religious instructor died. It became a question as to whether the appointment should be given to the Church of England or to the Noncon- formists. The Clerk The i.30 was divided. Mr. Morris said that the position was that the cost of living had gone up to these gentlemen, and as far as the Abergavenny Union was con- cerned they were not going to have voluutarv service agnin. He said that the present system was the better one. With regard to Mr. Bav- nam s s atement that he was one of the biggest ratepayers, he only paid according to his wealth. If he (Mr. Morris) was only a little ratepayer he possibly bore a greater burden in proportion than a man who was paying more rates. Mr. Thorne I propose we don't consider this question here to-day. Mr. Howells We must, because there is a notice of motion. Mr. Thorne I move an amendment in opposition to it that we take nonaction in the matter. Mr. Robert Johnson seconded. Mr. II-rrison said that his amendment was that thev pay the two religious instructors £ 15 each and have the Roman Catholic out for the present. The Rev. Morice Jones said that he was quite willing t accept the 1 15. The Chairman You only appointed the Xon- conformist at the last meeting. Mr. Workman And you don't wish to give him a living wage. The Chairman I don't belong to Trinity, do you say ? (Loud laughter). Mr. Harrison It is not a living wage we are considtrit:g. It is a matter altogether outside a living wage. Mr. Howelis It is a question of paying people for services. The amendment that no action be taken was carried by eight votes to seven. Another Increase Wanted. I Mr. )hrvi: vaccr.ie.fi'>n othce? tor the in icn- avon district, having applied to be put on the same oasis as the vaccination officer for the Aberg: veirvv district, Mr. Howelis moved that he be paid the same amount. -< -V v. 1 s g o The Chairman read out some statistics, as popula- tion Blaejiavon, two parishes, popula- tion 12,173. There was no comparison between the two. Mr. Howelis p'?? co^Tuct you business wilut '):)' and raving —■(laughter)—-be- cause taat does not reflect any credit 011 the Board. If von object to it, object to it, and no more about it. I have done it with my eyes open, knowing that it is going to increase the < t rate, and I am not blind. I am one of those 1 people that pay a little rate—.according to my wealth, Mr. Baynam (langhter)ancll have the same right to speak as any big ratepayer, and I move the C'airuum will not do this raving that he is doing. (Laughter). Mr. Thorne I move that we take no action The Vice-Chairman (to the Chairman) Where tlo you get your 66*ooo population from ? havai'i: v- >u made a mistake ? tl,.) voit That 60tooo p.Dp iil?-,ti,)li ? T'lic Cl,riz.: '2?iit is t?ic acre--g.?. we should have these figures from the Clerk, and nut from the Chairmgm. f r o i n u C ?, r i i,, 4, gavenny, 26 parishes, Blaeuavon two Aberga- The Cleri?: (,av,? ",ic ii vennv 66,761 acre area, Blaenavon 6,560 ,a-;Cllny, 2f-) paris',les, Blaeii?-LN-oi 6,5")() cover; the ground in his capacity as a relieving officer. i Mr. Robert Johnson He has six parishes more. Mr. Morris He has very little more. The one vaccination ofhcer has as much work as the other. The Blaeuavon parishes are on the hill, but the vaccination officer on this side can ride round 011 a bike. Mr. Robert Johnson You haven't been round the rural district, I am afraid. Mr. Wm. J ones said that they must have regard to the fact that the Abergavenny district was a more scattered area, and he was therefore prepared to make some allowance for that fact, but they ought to increase the Blaenavon officer. It was the man who produced by hand or brain who was the real ratepayer, and not the man who handed it over, and they must not forget that important fact. Mr. Thorne I am not willing to give Mr. Morgan another id. He calls it a paltry amount, but I make bold to say that there are plenty of people who would be willing to do the job. Mr. Howelis I move that Mr. Morgan be paid (12. Mr. Thorne It is out of order. The amendment that no action be taken was carried. Tribunal on Profiteering. Mr. Thorne said that tribunals were being set up with regard to profiteering, and he thought they should look after the interests of the poor people by seeing that they were not charged too much for commodities. He gave notice of motion for the next meeting that they ask the Abergavenny Town Council and the Blaenavon Urban Council for direct representation on the local local tribunals.

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