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INQUEST ON THE BODY OF THE MAN FOUND I ON CARNEDD LLEWELYN. On Saturday afternoon last an inquest was held at the Douglas Arms, Bethesda, before J. H. Roberts, Esq., deputy-coroner, and a respectable jury (of which Mr. John Hughes was foreman), touching the death of William Jones, of Bangor, who lost his life on the 9th of January last, whilst attempting to cross Carnedd Llewelyn mountain. The body, which was viewed by the jury, was appar- ently in a good state of preservation, notwithstanding the long exposure on a very bleak point of the moun- tain. The following is the evidence adduced on the occa- sion :— William Owen said—I live at Hirael, Bangor; and am by trade a millwright. I left Baugor on the 9th January with William Jones and another man. It was about ten o'clock in the morning when we left Bangor, and reached Bethesda about eleven o'clock. We stop- ped on the road at Half-way House, and afterwards came to auother house called the Ship," in Bethesda. Remained there about three quarters of an hour. De- ceased drank one glass of ale at the Half-way," and two or three glasses at the Ship. He purchased there before leaving 3s. worth of rum. I carried the bottle. He was a little worse for liquor before leaving the Ship. The other man drunk as much as deceased, but it did not seem to effect him in the least. I gave deceased a taste of the spirits on the road which he asked me to give him in the name of God, as he was nearly falling down. Before this we had called at another house at Pen Carncddi, and had a glass of ale each. Deceased had something to eat there also. When we left Bethes- da it began to rain very much. As we went along deceased turned to a house to light his pipe, Hand the other man waited for him outside. Seeing him there rather long, I went for him, when I found him sitting at the fireside, and chattering with the woman who oc- cupied the house. He came out, and we then went on together. Being afraid the spirits would have affected them, I went on in advance of them, carrying the bottle myself. I afterwards waited them, and they soon came up to me. I gave them a little rum the second time. I also took the bag from them, when Owen Jones then took the had. I was then walking with William Jones, and when on the side of the Arig a heavy squall came on, and threw us both down. Owen Jones was then in advance of us. We shortly afterwards overtook Owen Jones, whom we found resting on a stone. We then had some talk together about the road. It was raining very much at the time. Owen Jones thought we were not on the right path. When we came to a heap of stones, I called to Owen Jones that wo were right as to the way. Having passed the Llanbedr road, I took the lead, followed by Owen Jones, and then by William Jones. The wind at this time had risen very high—so much so that it actually pitched us some yards distance, when we had,to prevent us from being blown down the cliffs, to lie down fht on the ground. I got up, and went on as well as I could, thinking the others would do the same. We had even worse places to traverse after than that, which we had come through. l, however, succeeded in reaching Cwmeigiau sometime about five o'clock. When I came to the quarry, I told the people there where I had left the men, and we all concluded that they had turned back. Tuesday was a very rainy day, followed by a fine day on Wednesday. I thought, it being such a fine day, they would have arrived on that day. On Thursday I wrote home to enquire where they were; but that letter was missent, and I sent another letter on Saturday. It snowed on Satur- day very much, and the mountain is not yet clear of snow. Jane Parry, George Inn, Carneddi Road, said—I re- member the last witness and two other men calling at our house. They had a glass of ale each; but William Jones hardly tasted his. His glass was left almost full on the table. The others drank theirs. William Jones appeared a little affected by drink. He, however, walked steady enough, and I would not have known that he was under the influence of drink only that he talked rather glibly. Henry Parry, Llidiart-y-gwenyn, said-I went out to search for the bodies of the deceased men three times. Between one and two o'clock yesterday (Friday) I found the body of William Jones. It was on the Arrig-the further point of it. Ila laid on his b-tck, in a heap of stones, as if he was asleep. It was a little out of the path-higher up. There appealed to be no marks upon him, except a little on his hand, which appeared a little frostbitten. I took his watch out of his pocket, which was stopped at a little after five. There was a snow- drift near him. His head was fastened to the ground. He had evidently lost his way, as he was about 200 yards towards the Llanbedr road, in a contrary direction to where ho was going. Police-Constable John Davies, said—I was present when the body was searched last night, I found three shillings in silver, and fivepence-halfpeuny in copper upon him. Also a small square and a pocket- book. The clothes were frozen about him, and he was tied about the neck very tight. He had no hat on. There was a bruise at the back of the head, which would have been caused by his head being fast-froze to the gronnd. William Jones, Llanegryn, Towyn, Merioneth, said— I am father of the deceased, William Jones. I have seeii the corpse. It is that of my son. He was a smith by trade, and was 44 years of age. The CouoSKR briefly summed up, and the jury, with- out any hesitation, returned the following "erdict;- "We find that the deceased William Jones came by his death through exposure to cold, he having lost his way on the mountain." The body was conveyed in a hearse to Bangor on Monday morning last, and buried in the New Cemetery, in the presence of a large concourse of friends, including the Forresters, wearing their black scarfs.

BANGOR AND BEAUMARIS UNION. The fortnightly meeting of the Guardians of this Ullion was hlcl on Wednesday last. Prsent-Ir, Bicknell, Chairman Messrs. G. Simpson and W. T. Rogers, Vice-chairmen; W. Bulkeley Hughes, Esq., ex-oiffcio; Messrs. E. P.Evans, T. T. Parry, John Roberts, Rowland Parry, Richard Evans, Richard Jones, Hugh Roberts, John Morris, and Evan Roberts. The minutes of the last Board having been read. The Clerk was instructed to make a return of the number of men and women in the workhouse on the 1st of March, 1S85, who were not disqualified by any men. tal or physical infirmity from earning the fair average wages of able-bodied persons in the class to which they belong, as desired by the Poor Law Board. Union Vluirgeabtlity.—The Chairman read the follow- ing copy of a bill prepared and brought iu by Mr. Vil- liers and Sir George Grey, upon, the important subject of Union Chargeability "A Rill to provide for the Distribution of the Bilief of the Poor in Unions. Whereas it is expedient to make Provisions for the better Distribution of the Charge for Relief of the Poor in Unions than is by Law now established :—Be it there- fore enacted by the Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the Authority of the same, as follows "1. From iu(I after the Twenty-fifth Day of March, One thousand eight hundred and sixty-six, so much of the Twenty-sixth Section of the Fourth and Fifth Wil- liam the Fourth, Chapter Seventy-six, as requires that each of the Parishes in a Union formed under the Authority of that Act shall be separately chargeable with and liable to defray the Expense of its own Poor, whether relieved in or out of the Workhouse of such Union, shall be repealed, and all the Cost of the Relief to the Poor in such Union thenceforth incurred shall be charged upon the Common Fund thereof. 2. When any Pauper relieved in any such Union shall be settled in any Parish situated in another Union or subject to a Board of Guardians, and shall not be ex- empt from Removal by reason of any Provision of the Law, the Guardians of the Union to which such Pauper shall bo chargeable may obtain all Order of Removal to the Union or Parish as aforesaid in which such Pauper shall be settled, and the Guardians of such last-mention- ed Union or Parish shall receive such Pauper in like Manner and subject to the like Incidents and Conse- quences as in the Case of Orders of Removals heretofore obtained by Overseers, with-such Modifications as may be necessary to meet the Circumstances of the Charge- ability to the Union instead of the Parish. 3. The Guardians obtaining such Order may defend the same, and the Guardians upon whom it shall be made may appeal agaiust the same, ill like Manner and with the like Incidents and Consequences as in the Case of Orders obtained or appealed against by Over- seers. Provided that every Appeal now pending may be continued and 15 determined as though this Act had not been passed. 4. Where the Guardians of any Union or Parish shall be satisfied that any Pauper is settled within and removable to their Union or Parish, and shall consent under their Common Seal to receive snch Pauper with- out an Order of Removal, the Guardians seeking to re- move such Pauper may so without any such Order. "5. Any Pauper removed under an Order of Removal obtained by the Guardians of any such Union returning to and becoming chargeable to such last-mentioned Union again within the Period of Twelve Months from such Removal, without the Consent of the Guardians thereof, shall be deemed to be an idle and disorderly Person within the Meaning of the Statute Fifth George the Fourth, Chapter Eighty-three, and be liable to be convicted and punished as such. "6. The Costs and Expenses lawfully incurred in and about the Prosecution of any Person for which the Guardians of the Union may be liable, or which they undertake to pay, under the Fifty-ninth Section of the Seventh and Eighth Victoria, Chapter One hundred and one, shall in all Cases be charged to the Common Fund. 7. The Poor Law Board shall, as soon as convenient, make all such Orders as may be requisite to render the Provisions of this Act applicable to the Proceedings and Accounts of the Guardians of Unions and of Overseers of Parishes comprised therein. 8. The Guardians shall distribute the charges upon the Common Fund during and at the Close of every Half Year in the Proportions according to which the Orders for the Contributions were made upon the several Parishes comprised in such Unions at the Com- mencement of such Half Ycaty notwithstanding the Change which may be made in the Valuation List of any Parish during such Period. "9. Except as herein provided, no Alteration shall be made in respect of the Settlement of Poor Persons in Parishes. 1°, The Words herein used shall be interpreted in the Manner prescribed by the Statute of the Fourth and Fifth Years of William the Fourth, Chapter Seventy- six, and the subsequent Acts amending or explaining the same. Financial.-Outrelief for the past fortni#ght—x,*ll IGs. 6d.; irremovable poor, E213 4s. 4d.; nonsettled poor, £ 43 Z7s, Cd.; treasurer's balance, X1367 3s. 3d. Cheques well granted to the Relieving Officer as fol- lows—Mr. W. Griffith, £172; L. Edwards, j £ 134; D. Jones, £ 72; T. Hughes, £ 100. The vouchers for the bills paid for the last quarter were produced and examined.

RHYL. POLICE COURT, FRIDAY, Feb. 24,—Before R. Wynne, Esq. Prostitutioll,-Margaret Williams, who stated she came from Carnarvon, was committed to Flint gaol for seven days for prostitution. TUESDAY, Feb. 28,—Before T. G. Dixon, Esq., and John Churton, Esq. Licenses.—The license of Thompson, Vory(I Refresh- ment Rooms, was transferred to Mr. Henry iladcliffe. The license of the Windsor Vaults was transferred to one Mr. Kennedy, and that of the Britannia Inn to Mr. Thomas, the former occupier of the Windsor Vaults. Quarrelsome Neighbours,—Caroline Jones charged Maiy Jones with assaulting her on the 4th of February. Complainant's husband also charged defendant's hus- band with an assault. Both complainants and Mary Jones were present, but Mary Jones' husband had de- camped. The parties, it appeared, are neighbours re- siding in Rhyl, and unfortunately have never managed to live together on friendly terms. On the night of the above day the wives had a fierce battle, in which the husbands ultimately took a part. The fight became general, and serious results might have occuired were it not for the timely interference of other more peace- able neighbours. The Magistrates were satisfied, after hearing the evidence, that the onslaught was beguu by the de- fendants. Mary Jones was fined 2s. 6d. and 10s. costs, and her husband was sentenced to 14 days' imprisonment. Snowballing.—'Three young men named John Wil- liams Win, Vaughan, and Robert Bithell, were charged by Inspector Hughes with throwing snowballs at dif- ferent persons who were coming out of the Catholic Chapel, Rhyl, on Sunday morning, the 12th of February. After being seriously cautioned, the defendants were discharged. Dranketiness. -Francis Jones was fined 10s. and costs for being drunk and disorderly on the 15th ult. at Rhyl. Nonpayment of Poorrata.-H. D. Griffith, Esq., was summoned for refusing to pay the poor-rate due on a farm iu the parish of Llanasa. The case was dismissed, their worships being of opinion that the occupier of the farm was the proper person to be sued. A warrant of distress was ordered to be issued against S. Blake, Llanasa, for nonpayment of the poor-rate. Other parties were summoned for a liko offence, but they paid the money out of court. THE PROPOSED NEW WAfER WORKS. A PUBLIC MEETING. The Rev. Hugh Morgan, Chairman of the Commis- sioners, in compliance with a requisition numerously and respectably signed, called a public meeting of ratepayers and owners of property, at the Town Hall, on Friday evening, the 24th ult., for the purpose of taking into consideration the provisions of the Rhyl and District New Water Company's Bill, and to take such steps thereon as may be deemed expedient, especially with regard to the charges proposed." The chair was occupied precisely at 7 o'clock, when the Chairman read the requisition, and stated that he simply took the chair in his capacity as chairman of the Commissioners. Without making any further observa- tions, he said he should be glad to hear any of the requi- sitionists address the meeting. The meeting at this stage of the proceedings was very scantily attended, and Mr. Sheffer wished the chairman to delay the proceed- ings for a few minutes to await the arrival of Mr. Robt. Edward Williams and Mr. Ellis Eyton, solicitors. After a delay of about 15 minutes these gentlemen made their appearance, but a further delay was sought and obtained by Mr. Ellis Eyton to witness the promised presence of Mr. Churton, who is a director of the pro- posed Company. Thus the meeting, which was con- tinually increasing, was kept in an uneasy and rather impatient mood for fully 30 minutes. There were then present Messrs. J. Churton, R. J. Sisson, H. C. Beloe, of Liverpool, W. liell, Bodrhyddan Clarke, Kinmel; R. M. Preston (the Company's solicitor), M. Smith, V.C.R. P. E. Eyton; R. E. Williams; W. It. Williams; T. Winston; T. Sleight; .1. P. Williams; E. P. Jones; L. N. Dyson, Buhrer, Roose, Perks, sen., Perks, jun., Perkins John Williams, ironmonger, Wm. Hilditch, K. Vaughan, 0. Roberts, New Inn; Evans, Gas Works J. Jones, Dolawen Rev. A. Francis, &c. Mr. Eyton, as one of the requisitionists, was the first to address the meeting. He said—He wished to explain the views of the requisitionists generally on the Water Bill as it stood, and to point out what there, was in it, in their opinion, objectionable to the interest of the town A good many years ago, a gentleman (Ifr. Rich- ardson) started the existing Rhyl Water Company, and he had from that time until now supplied water for the neighbourhood of the town by sinking a well on the Rhuddlan road, and pumping it into a reservoir, from which it fell by its own gravitation. Mr. Richardson carried on the work without an Act of Parliament, and lie was restricted to no maximum rates in charging for the water consumed—he could go up to 20 per cent., or any amount he pleased, in order to repay himself for the expense incurred in constructing the works. But, whilst admitting that fact, it was important to recollect that Mr Richardson had no compulsory power to use the roads and streets for the laying of pipes to convey the water and in the absence of that power, the power to charge any sum he chose for the use of the water was a very poor power indeed, because he was left almost en- tirely in the hands of the authorities of the town—(hear, hear). A number of gentlemen, however, had found out 'through a very elaborate analysis which had been got up by Mr. Preston, that the Rhyl water was not good. They alleged that it was deficient in quantity and quality but whether that was so or not it was not the question to be discussed that evening. The gentle- men who had promoted the Bill under consideration proposed to supply the towns of Rhyl, Rhuddlan, St. Asaph, Abergele, and Pensarn with water and they also proposed to have powers to make the works accord- ing to the deposited plans—to use the streets, highways, turnpike-roads, and other places of resort, at their own will and pleasure, without paying a farthing of rent to anybody- in fact, they would be masters of the posi- tion Well, it behoved the people of Rhyl, in the first place to consider the nature of the powers these gentle- men proposed to take, and what was the manner in which they proposed to exercise the same. (Hear, hear.) One important thing was stated—they intended to bring good water into the town. He (Mr. Eyton) was not go- ing to denv the importance of good water, but if it was bought too dearly a great deal of the blessing of the wa- ter was taken away. (Cheers.) The Company proposed to charge for the supply of water for domestic purposes 71 per cent. on the actual rack rent of houses-or 6! per cent. on houses under f 10 rent, and 6 on houses above £ 10 and under f30 rent. A man paying jEl()O a year for his house was liable to pay 74 per cent. And when a man let a house for X 100 a year, it was to be re- membered that he did not put all that money in his pocket-he had to pay out of it for insurances, repairs, &Ci —and repairs were oftener required in an exposed town like Rhyl than in an inland town—so that in reality he did not put much more than B30 in his pocket,—but the 74 per cent, for water would be charged on the gross which was more than the nett rental received. (Hear, hear.) Again, he discovered that the 74 per cent, did not supply the house with water for all purposes. The Company proposed to make extra charges for water closets and baths. He certainly thought water closets and baths were of a domestic character. Mr. Churton—Is there not one water closet al- lowed Mr. Eyton—According to the Bill, not one. Mr. Preston—Would you have the goodness to recol- lect what has passed before the Commissioners that question was discussed, and it was stated that Lord Kedesdale has alterell the Bill to include one water closet, Mr. Eyton-I shall not be confined to what has taken place at the Commissioners' meeting. I am here to dis- cuss the whole question. (Cheers.) Not one water clo- set is allowed by the Bill, and this Company must not take the credit for what Lord Redesdale has done (cheers). So that if a gentleman wishes to have more than one water closet and only one bath in his house, he would have to pay something near 10 per cent. for the water. That is the charge, gentlemen, I object to this evening. (Applause.) This Bill was referred by the Commission- ers to a committee of competent gentlemen to judge of its merits and demerits. The report of the Committee appeared as follows in the Jihyl Jtecoid /— The clauses of the proposed Bill having been read, we recommend that the following amendments and alterations be made and added in and to the proposed Bill.. « Clause 2-Provided that it does not interfere with any of the powers of the Rhyl Improvement Act, or the Acts incorporated therewith. Clause 5- That the Chairman of the Commissioners for the time being be an ex-officio Director. Clause 20—That the meeting of the Directors be held within the limits of the proposed Act. Clause 23-That the period within which the water works be completed be three instead of five years. Clause 37—That the power to purchase the exist- ing water works be agreed to, so as not to interfere with the powers now vested in the Rhyl Improvement Commissioners. Clause 38—That the maximum rates at which water is to be supplied for domestic purposes be 5 per cent, on the rateable value as assessed to the poor. Clause 39—That the maximum rates for supplying water closets be Rs. per annum for the first closet, and 4s. for every closet beyond the first. Clause 40—That the rates for supplying the Commis- iioners do not exceed Is. per 1000 gallons. The most material part of the report, Mr. Eyton ob- served, was the amendment for clauses 38, 39, and 40. ( tlear, bear.) The report of the Committee, in the na- tural course of business, went before the Commissioners for their adoption or rejection. Mr. Preston and Mr. Churton offered certain explanations which induced the Commissioners to come to a certain resolution upon the Bill. He would take the liberty of looking into those explanations, which, in his opinion, did not appear very satisfactory. (Cheers.) Mr. Preston, in the first place, was reported to have told the Commissioners that the Bill was ifot a compulsory one—that no one would be obliged to take the water-therefore, no one ought to object to the maximum. So far he agreed to that prin- ciple but the Company proposed to purchase the exist- ing water works, which very much altered the case. (Hear, hear.) They had tried, it was said by Mr. Pres- ton, the water at Talargoch, the Elwy, &c., and at last they had gone to the only proper available source (at LlaneKtvd) for supplying the town with water—there- fore, it was perfect fallacy to say to people You need not take the water unless you like." There was no Act of Parliament to compel a person to eat, but if he did not eat he would die. (Laughter.) The new water scheme was unquestionably a monopoly—people would be bound by necessity to take the water the Company sought to take compulsory possession of the roads, and of the only available water source; consequently the Bill, it was clear to all, was in reality, although not in name, a compulsory measure. (Cheers.) Mr. Preston,. in the second place, had said it was not intended to chaige more than 6 per cent., but 7 £ was mentioned, to provide against cases of euiergeiicy-.the Conipanymight be called upon to pay large sums, and to secure their profit a high maximum was named. Now he (Mr. Eyton) strongly objected to 7A per cent., and because the Company said they were not likely to charge it, the meeting ought particularly to object to it. (Hear, hear.) In the proepecfctis, it was stated that R20,000 would co- ver the expenses of the scheme. Something had been said about guarding against such an accident as that which occurred at Holmeforth, but if such an event was anticipated, the Company ought to increase their capital and not tax the people with an unreasonable maximum charge of 74 per cent. on tbø ralck rent of houses. (Cheers.) Mr. Preston, in his fhird explanation, in- stanced Carnarvon, where a Witee fell was applied for Tflith a higher maximum rate, but he (Mir, Preston) for- got to tell the important fact that at Carnatfon the Bill was promoted by the Corporation-by the inhabitants themselves—and whatever profits would be made from the water would go for the benefit of the town. (Cheers.) There was as much difference between the two cases as between chalk and cheese. (Laughter and cheers.) The Bill under the consideration of that meeting would only benefit private individuals, so that the analogy in the case of Carnarvon entirely ceased. (Hear, hear.) On re- ference to the prospectus, it would be found that very few names representing Rhyl were amongst the Direc- tors—only Mr. Preston and Mr. Churton. In fact, large profits would be realised, and the Company would im- poverish the district from which they were taken (hear, hear). Those were the explanations offered by M r. Pres- ton, but perhaps he would bring forward further expla- nations that evening. It was likely he would instance other towns where higher maximum rates were laid down; but he (Mr. Eyton) thought every town should stand on its own merits. (Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Eyton) might bring examples to aliew that the maximum rates in several towns were much lower. At Liverpool, the rate was only 4jd. in the pound, and even in the out districts—at Walton, 7 miles from the town, it was only 7Jd. in the pound on the rateable value or gross esti- mated rental. But it might be urged that Liverpool was a very large place, and would not be a fair comparison to Rhyl. Well, he would mention Conway, where it was proposed to construct water works, and the maximum charge on the rateable value there would be 6 per cent. and at Llandudno the charge was five pence per centum per annum on houses of zClO rent and upwards, and fourpence on houses of X30 rent and upwards. Being so at Conway and Llandudno, had they not a right to go to the Rhyl and District Water Company to ask them to reduce their maximum rates. (Cheers.) The Company had stated the rateable value of property at Rhyl, Rhuddlan, St. Asaph, Abergele, and Pensarn. X15,000 was the sum mentioned for Rhyl, but it was in reality more than that. £ 18,000 was the estimated rental in the rate-book, but there were seventy new houses building in Rhyl, which, of course, had not been iucluded in the estimate. There- fore, instead of being X15,000, it would be something like £ 20,000. If they had made a similar mistake at the other places, the question would assume a still more different form. Supposing they had the power to charge 74 per cent, on property in Khyl—that would derive a profit of something like C2,000 yearly; in addition to that, there would be an estimated revenue from supply- ing the railway of £ 350. Certainly there would be some out-goings from that amount (altogether zC2,350 a-yeai,) but they would be iufinitesimally small compared the in-comings. The proposed capital, it would be remem- bered, was not for the supply of Rhyl alone, but also of Abergele, Pensarn, St. Asaph, and Rhuddlan. Supposing two-thirds was applied to Rhyl—or reduce it from £20,000 to £ 13,000,— £ 2,000 a year upon 913,000 would be a very large sum indeed. The Company said We only intend to charge 5 per cent. Then, if they only intended to charge 5 per cent., why should they apply for powers to charge 7 per ctnt. 1 (Cheers.) They were actually going for powers for 50 per cent, more on the capital than they required, and more than they intended to ask for. (Cheers.) There was one remark he (Mr. Eyton) should like to make upon the report of the Committee, which was discussed at the monthly meeting of the Commissioners. He believed there were 30 Commissioners acting under the Rhyl Improvement Act; but at that meeting only 11 were present, and two of theeleven were gentlemen interested ill the Water Bill, namely, Mr. Preston, the Company's solicitor, aud Air. Churton, a director, so that it prac- tically reduced the number of Commissioners to only nine. Mr. Churton—There were nearer 20 Commissioners present. Be correct in numbers, if you please. I appeal to the Chairman on this point. The Chairman—My impression is there were a great many more than eleven. Mr. gytùn-Will you undertake to say how many voted ? The Chairman-The resolution was unanimously passed. Confine yourself to the question upon its own merits. Mr. Eyton—When the vote was taken- The Chairman-I must call you. to order; there was no vote taken. Mr. Eyton-At all events, it was put to the meet- ing. A boisterous admirer of Mr. Eyton's arguments and rhetoric was at this stage of the meeting brought to task by the Chairman, who enquired—Are you a rate- payer ? A Voice—Not in Rhyl. The Chairman—Are you an owner of property A Voice—Yes but not in Rhyl. (Laughter.) The Chairman—Then, you must walk out of this room if you cannot behave yourself. (Hear, hear.) Gen- tlemen, let us not conduct the meeting in a discreditable spirit (cheers), and, Mr. Eyton, be good enough to avoid disagreeable questions. Mr. Eyton-I was not present at the Commissioners' meeting, but the statements I have made were given to me by a respectable person. A large number of the Commissioners, however, signed the requisition, and that is some evidence they do not agree as to the provisions of this Bill. (Hear, hear.) I hope that Mr. Churton does not think I have made a wilful mis- statement. Mr. Churton-Certainly not. Mr. Eytou-The rejection of the Committee's report at that meeting was not the general feeling of the Com- missioners. Who proposed the resolution that the re- port should be rejected ? You know it is not usual to reject a committee's report in the House of Commons- very rare, indeed. I have a right to ask who pro- posed the resolution. It is in public print. It was Mr. Churton himself. Mr. Churton—I do not deny it. Mr. Eyton—Therefore, I have a right to make a re- mark upon it. If he had not been there, do you think any other Commissioner would have rejected the re- port t Mr. Churton is a shareholder and a director, and therefore interested in the scheme. And, I am told, Mr. Preston would have seconded the resolution were it not for the interposition of the Clerk. The Chairman—Do not impute anything wrong to our Clerk. Mr. Hilditch—Mr. Eyton is quite right. The Clerk is here let him speak for himself. Mr. Eyton—What do you say, Mr. Williams Mr. Williainii-I prefer taking no part whatever in the discussion. Mr. Eyton-Am I doing you any injustice I Mr. Williams—Not at all. Mr. Eyton—The Clerk does not think I am doing In- justice to him. I will do him the justice of saying that he did interpose in this matter it is to the credit of the Clerk that he suggested to Mr. Preston that some other gentleman should second the resolution. (Cheers.) No doubt the resolution of the Commissioners does ex- press satisfaction with the Bill. (Loud hear, hear," by Mr. Churton.) But I ask you this evening not to be satisfied with it for the reasons I have already told you. (Cheers.) I shall, before sitting down, propose a resolu- tion, which I think you will carry—at all events, it is not my fault if you don't—I have done my duty. I do not think the Water Company ought to be angry with a discussion on their Bill; that scheme must be a very poor one which cannot test a public discussion. (Cheers.) If they are right in asking 71 per cent., the discussion will make them stronger than before, and we shall go away very much discomfitted. (Cheers.) The resolution I beg to propose is—" That this meeting entirely con- curs with the amendments to the new Rhyl Water Bill proposed by the Committee to whom it was referred, and is not sitisfied with the explanations offered on be- half of the Water Company; and, believing that the feeling of the Commissioners to be in favour of the amendments, respectfully requ.. ts that the Board should reconsider the question of adopting or rejecting the Committee's report, and to take such steps thereon as to them may seem expedient." (Mr. Eyton sat down amidst loud cheering.) Mr. Roose seconded the resolution. Mr. Preston, before the resolution was put to the meeting, wished to hear all the objections to the Bill, in order to enable him to reply to them all at once. The Chairman read the resolution, and then invited any gentleman to express his views. No response being made, Mr. Preston rose, and entered fully into the subject. He said—About two years ago he was appointed, with other Commissioners, to report upon the requirements of the town, and the best means of obtaining the fulfil- ment of those requirements. An elaborate report was prepared, at no inconsiderable time and trouble. Amongst other things, the question of Water Works was intro- duced. The report was presented to the Commissioners, and rejected. It then devolved upon him, having in a great measure suggested these requirements, to endea- vour, as far as he could, to fulfil them. In carrying out the water scheme, two things should be guarauteed- Firstly, a good supply; secondly, an adequate supply. (Hear, hear.) Whatever had been said of the Commis- sioners, he was sure there were no two feelings at the recent monthly meeting regarding the want of a good and an adequate supply of water in Rhyl. With refer- ence to the expenses, he felt assured that no one at that meeting would wish to see a Company of gentlemen embarking in a scheme without providing for a fair remu- neration for their outlay. (Hear, hear.) It had been said the promoters were desirous of making large profits at the expense of the town; but he would pardon those gentlemen who had thus spoken, as it was evident they had not made themselves acquainted with the true na- ture of the case. The Company waa bound to bind it- self under certain terms-a maximum rate-whether it was 50 or 60 per cent., it was imperative for the rate to be stated In the Bill. The promoters had framed the Bill by looking at what had been done in the immediate neighbourhood. It was nota fair comparison to instance Llandudno. It was necessary to look at the outlay be- fore concluding as to the standard by which they should act. Llandudno had a very small supply of water- quite inadequate: to the wants of the inhabitants, and the source Was cfoee to the town; but the Hhyl New Company sought to-give a very large supply of the beat water that could be fiapplied, from a distance of 8 miles. If that could be of no consideration, it was useless for him to talk. Having brought the Company together, it then became necessary to appoint directors. Six gentlemen were selected and in making the appoint- ment, they sought those men most acquainted with the subject to represent the Various towns to which it was intended to tike the ,,v;tter. One was Mr. Henry C. Be- loe, Chairman of the Water Works' Committee in Liver- pool, who would be able to assist the Company with his advice, having had such great experiene in the manage- ment of water works; then came Mr. Churton, a resi- dent of Rhyl, and late Chairman of the Commissioners -a gentleman who had given much anxious time for the benefit of the town (hear, hear) i fr. Clarke, agent for Mr. Hughes, of Kinmel, represented Abergele; Mr. Bell, agent for Mr. Shipley Covwy, represented Rhudd- lan and Mr. Sisson represented St. Asaph. Mr. Rich- ardson, proprietor of the present water works, was also included in the directorship it was deemed unfair to enter into competition with him, and when an offer was made to purchase the works, he at once accepted it. The Board of Directors was at first limited to nine, but when the Bill went before Lord Redesdale, nine was considered too many. It was thought of adding the Chairman of the Commissioners on the directory as ex- officio director-so that the accusation of the manage- ment of the works being in the hands of strangers was entirely false. Having resolved to buy existing supply, it was deemed desirable that the water should be care- fully analyzed, in order that it might be ascertained whether it should be amalgamated with the new supply. It was not until the 4th of February he received the analysis from an eminent chemist in London, and from that analysis they found that the water was of a very inferior quality. Therefore, it was determined not to amalgamate it with the proposed supply. He (Mr. Pres- ton) had no flaming report to make to the meeting—he merely wished to give a bare statement of facts, with a view of benefitting the town. (Hear, hear.) What were the disadvantages the town laboured under at present In the first place (and he was speaking now as an inha- bitant), there was no parliamentary power to compel any supply of water whatever; but the proposed Bill would oblige the proprietors of the works to supply water to all parties who required it, under a very heavy penalty. Mr. Eyton—Aye, at 71 per cent. Mr. Preston—The town had hitherto been subjected to an inefficient supply but that evil was provided against in the proposed Bill. The reservoir would con- tain 50,000,000 gallons of water, and arrangement could be made to increase that quantity, if necessary. That would be a sufficient supply, it was computed, for Rhyl and the neighbouring places for years to come. Then he particularly requested attention to the contrast be- tween the quality of the existing water supply and that of the proposed new supply. The present water was absolutely condemned, whilst the other was considered to be pure, soft water—in every respect adapted for domestic purposes. Much had been said about the prices and, as he stated before, he did not believe that anyone would desire to obtain the water for nothing, or at such-a cost as would make it unprofitable to the Com- pany. (Hear, hear.) The promoters ran the risk, and the townspeople had the option of taking or refusing the water. The profit was always, in every trade, calculated according to the risk involved. In the case of the pro- posed Company, directly the profits rose to 10 per cent., then the charges for consumption must be reduced— their profits could not exceed 10 per eent. on their capi- tal. Therefore, he considered the town was amply guarded. Should the people of Rhyl agree to take the water, the promoters would gladly reduce the maximum; but in the absence of any assurance to that effect, it was right for the Company to fix the maximum at 74 per cent., in order to secure the borrowing of the capital. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Eyton had pointed out that the rate should be made on the rateable value of the property. When the Bill was framed, the new Union valuation was not in existence; and the new assessments, he un- derstood, had been raised very nearly one-half above what they were before. They, consequently, had made their calculations upon a fallacious data, so far as the profits were concerned. The Company did not know yet what the amount of the poor-rate would be, there- fore it would be wrong in him to alter the maximum, or introduee what he considered a fallacious data. If the rate was a compulsory one, he should say at once bring it down to 5 per cent. but inasmuch as it was left open for persons to take or reject the water, he thought it right to fix it at 7& per cent. He knew of many instances in Rhyl where the present water was not taken but for certain purposes, and that being so, he was of opinion that it was unfair to state, as had been stated, that the rateable value of the town was to be the criterion of the profits to be received. (Hear, hear.) The extent of the capital ( £ 20,300) must be absolved before they could bring one drop of water into the town. A very large outlay was necessary to build a re- servoir to contain 50,000,000 gallons of water, and if Rhyl stood alone, the only difference would be the cost of laying the pipes from the Cross Foxes to Abergele. Before they could bring the water to Rhyl, nearly the whole of the capital must be expended. It had been stated that Liverpool paid 4.1(1. in the pound for water but was it fair to bring that town in contrast with Rhyl? Liverpool was a very large town —it was under a Corpo- ration, who supplied the money to carry on the water works-therefore they had no. risk. The Water Bill there was also a compulsory .measure, and every per- son was bound to pay for the- water, whether it was used or not. Mr. Eyton-I question-the truth of that assertion. Mr. Beloe remarked that an error had crept into the discussion. The water rate within the borough for do- mestic purposes was 4Jd. in the pound, and there was a rate of 6d. in the pound for general purposes. Mr. Eyton wished to know if a person at Liverpool did not wish to take the water for domestic purposes, was he obliged to pay for it ? Mr. Beloe replied in the negative. Mr. Preston said he stood corrected, but it was an un- fair criteriou to instancs Liverpool in contrast to Rhyl. He (Mr. Preston) then mentioned the Denbigh water works, constructed by a private Company, whose capital was X 6000, and their charges were on houses at X6 and under, 7s. per annum; £10 do, 12s. 6d. do.; £ 10to £ 20, Is. 6d. in the £ above £20, Is. 4d. ditto. Similar charges were likewise made at Newtown and Runcorn. When Mr. Eyton spoke of the Company requiring the use of the streets and roads, no doubt the impression left on the meeting was that no one else could use them; but that was untrue. The Commissioners had required the Company to free them from a clause by which they were bound to buy the existing water works before they could construct new water works. That had been conceded and the Commissioners would have the power of going for a Bill to erect water works of their own. That fact added to the Company's risk. The town, he had no doubt, would be willing to have the water, and there was a guarantee by the Act of Parliament that the Company's profits should never exceed 10 per cent on their outlay. He would appeal to the meeting, whether n per cent, was an unreasonable margin ? He would say it was people of Rhyl to not. The Company did not ask the people of Rhyl to subscribe one penny piece to the scheme, and they could refuse the water if they pleased. Supposing he offered to them good tea for 5s. a pound, would it be right for them to say-" No, you must sell it for 3s." The prin- ciple practised in every-day trade was the principle pro- posed to be adopted by the Company. Concluding his observations, Mr. Preston said—We bring the water into market, and you can take it or not. Therefore, do not seek to prohibit its sale. If you will give the guarantee that every house in Rhyl will take the water, I have no doubt the Company will consider 5 per cent. a. reason- able charge, but in the absence of such a guarantee 74 per cent. is not too much to ask and not too much for you to give under the circumstances. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Perks, sen., said that 74 per cent. would be just double what was paid at present for water. Mr. Sisson-What do you pay now ? Mr. Perks-Five and forty shillings a year, and un- der the new Company it would be ninety shillings. (Laughter.) Mr. Evans, manager of the Rhyl Water and Gas Works, wished to state that the proprietors of the water works were not satisfied with the analysis given of the present water supply, and it was unfair for the promoters of the new Company to endeavour to depreciate it to a greater extent than was really in accordance with truth. (Hear, hear.) A sample of it had been sent within the past few days to a competent analyst, and the ana- lysis was expected to arrive at Rhyl in a very short time. One thing he should much like to know—namely, when was the water analysed under the direction of the promoters of the new Company taken ? It was impor- tant to be informed on that point, as all waters varied in quality at certain seasons of the year. (Hear, hear.) The water at present, he could assure them, was good. Mr. Churton and Mr. Sisson-No, no. Mr. Evans-There are seven degrees of hardness, or sulphate of lime, in a gallon of the water, but if a quan- tity of it was kept in a cistern or pan (as recommended) for 12 hours before being used, and then boiled for the purpose of making tea, it would become as good as the water proposed to be brought here from Llanefydd. (Hear, hear.) I have had some experience in these mat- ters, and I am only sorry to hear the present water so unjustly depreciated. I may observe for the amuse- ment aad instruction of those who are ooucerned to know the exact quality of water—that it can be tested by being placed in a stoppered bottle, kept for seven days in a dark room, 70 degrees temperature. By adopting that simple process you will soon find whether it is fit or not for domestic use. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Sisson craved the attention of the meeting for a few minutes. He was not accustomed to public speak- ing, but he liked to do plain things. In reference to the present water supply, he could say that the town was very much indebted to Mr. Richardson for the public spirit he had displayed in constructing the water works. (Cheers.) However, when Rhyl was incorporated, the water was very carefully analysed by a gentleman of high reputation, and although pronounced to be pleasant in taste, he (the analyst) was of opinion that it was not such a water as Rhyl ought to have. Besides, he (Mr. Sisson) had heard it being depreciated from Mr. Richard. son's own lips, who said he viewed with considerable apprehension the supply of water in this town, and like, wise feared it would not be sufficient to satisfy the wants of the inhabitants. It could not be denied that the supply was inadequate. (Hear, hear.) He had all his life time taken great interest in Rhyl, and would al- ways continue to do so-whether his acts were appreciat- ed he cared not; lie never studied any man's popularity. He would give his reasons for joining the promoters of the water bill. In the first p ace, he had considerable property in Rhyl, and of course he looked to it with much interest. To enhance the value of that property, as well as to benefit the place, he was of opinion that a good and copious supply of water was needful. How was it to be obtained ? By means of a Company, and he was sure if every man in the town was canvassed, they should find themselves in a very miserable state. (Sensation.) He did not mean to say that they were not anxious to get good water, but they would not go into their pockets for to pay for it. Welshmen were prud- ent but they often stood in the way of doing themselves good. He enumerated the list of Directors of the pro- posed Company and appealed to the meeting if they were not men of honest and sincere principles—whether they would support a scheme which was not likely to benefit the town. If the proposed water works were not carried out, it would be one means of ruining Rhyl. Were we for a moment to think that 74d. per cent. was too large a maximum, he would be the very first to oppose it, be- cause he should be personally injured more than any other man in Rhyl. Was it fair they should ask people to subscribe to the scheme without giving substantial grounds for returning reasonable profits ? No and it was a shame to throw out any such suggestions. I give you one word of caution, continued -Mr. Sisson, as a le ivyer. If you petition against this Bill, mark,—you will have to pay the expenses Everyone who signs the petition will be obliged to share in the expenses. An (ironical laugh by Mr. Eyton.) I believe the Bill will benefit Rhyl, and I shall do all I can in its favour. A voice—At any cost! Mr. Sisson—Yes; I believe a £1,000 will be sufficient. Therefore, I hope you will take wholesome advice this evening-, you will be glad of it afte.-wards trust in the Directory, take shares, and never mind what Mr. Ellis Eyton says—he is only a new-comer. A voice—Ah, but we do mind what he says. (Laugh- ter and cheers.) Mr. John Williams rose to complain of the noisy con. duct of the person before referred to. Not being a rate- payer nor owner of property in Rhyl, he thought he was an intruder in the meeting. It was evident he was suffering under the influence of something besides the refreshing element spoken of that evening, and he should feel greatly relieved if he was ordered to pop out of the room. (Laughter and hear hear.) The Chairman having expostulated with this unhappy friend of Sir John Barley Corn, Mr. Eyton said—These gentlemen having taken ex. ception to what I have said, I have the right to reply. Mr. Sisson—I question Mr. Eyton's right to reply. Mr. Eytou-It cannot be questioned. I have often been in the House of Commons, and I know the rules of debate. Subject to your ruling, Mr. Chairman, I have a right to reply. (Cheers.) Mr. Churton rose to object to Mr. Eyton replying. Mr. Roose—Sit down!—sit down! Chair !-ciloirt Shameful! —shameful! (Laughter and confusion.) Mr. Francis said it appeared to be the wish of the meeting to know all that was to be known on the ques- tion. (Cheers.) Mr. Eyton said he could well understand there was a desire on the part of the promoters of the Bill to put a stop to the discussion, but if they were right why should they fear. (Cheers.) He attempted to dwell upon the analyses of the different waters, but he was so often in- terrupted by Mr. Preston, Mr. Sisson, and Mr. Chur- ton that he was prevailed upon, through the advice of the chairman, to abandon that point. He then proceed- ed to reply at length to the speeches of Mr. Preston and Mr. Sisson, and wondered why the latter should take up the mutter in an unfriendly spirit. Mr. Sisson denied thad he was possessed of the least unfriendly spirit. Mr. Eyton submitted that Mr. Preston and Mr. Sis- son had entirely failed to shew why the Company should fix the maximum at 74 per cent. If the scheme was confined to Rhyl, 120,000 would not be required to carry it out, therefore he considered it wrong in princi- ple to levy a rate on property at Rhyl that would aid in paying for expenses at Rhuddlan, St. Asaph, A bergele, and Pensaru. Five per cent on the rack rental would be a reasonable charge, and would return reasonable profits. (Cheers.) He also was a lawyer, and he would tell the meeting advisedly that there was no harm in Mr. Sisson's threat to those who supported the opposi- tion to the Bill. (Laughter and cheers.) The resolution proposed by Mr. Eyton and seconded by Mr. Roose was then put to the meeting. Thirty- nine hands were raised in its favour, and only three or four against it. Mr. H. E. Williams next addressed the meeting in opposition to the Bill. He also read a letter from Jaa. Taylor, Esq. (from Torquay), who denounced the Bill as being "arbitrary," "iniquitious," "grossly unjust," and "shamefully despotic" in its provisions. Mr. Williams proposed the following resolution If the promoters of the Bill do not consent to the material amendments proposed, that a petition be presented to the House of Commons against the preamble and provisions thereof, embodying the views of this meeting, and praying for leave to add other clauses." The resolution was seconded by Mr. Hilditch, and carried. Mr. Preston proposed, and Mr. Churton seconded, That the present supply of water to the town of Rhyl and surrounding district is inadequate for the wants of the inhabitants, and that it is expedient to improve such supply." Mr. Eyton objected to the resolution because it was proposed by a solicitor and seconded by a director of the Bill, the provisions of which had been condemned by the meeting The resolution, on being put to the meeting, was ne- gatived by a large majority. A vote of thanks was then passed to the chairman, and the meeting terminated.

RUTHIN. BOARD OF GUARDIANs.-The fortnightly meeting of this Board was held on Monday last. Present—James Maurice, Esq., chairman; Joseph Peers, Esq., vice- chairman; Thomas Hughes, Esq., Ystrad; R. F. Birch, Esq.; R. Wynne Price, Esq., Rev. J. C. Davies, Rev. J. E. Owen, Messrs. William Challoner, J. W. Lloyd, T. Jones, Evan Davies, and D. Owtn. The business trans- acted was entirely of a routine character. Out.retief expended during the past fortnight, R202 7s. Balance against the Treasurer, glOS6 19s. 6d. COUNTY PETTY SESSIONS, Monday, February 27th— Before James Maurice, G. Roberts, and R. F. Birch, Esqrs. Hiding without Reins.-AVilliam Edwards was fined Is. and 8s. costs for riding in his cart without reins, on the information of P.C. Doon. Drunkennest.—Jas. E. Edwards was fined 5s. and 9s. costs for being drunk and disorderly. Obstructing the Ilighway, -David Jones was charged with leaving a waggon all night on the high road, near Ruthin. Fined Is. and 8s. costs- David Hughes was also charged with a similar offence, and fiued 2s. 6d. and costs.

I TOWYN. AGRICULTURAL PRODUC.E,-On Mr. John Lloyd's farm, Bronprys, near this town, there were grown 57 tons of swedes on two acres of land. The principal was farm yard manure, and 4 cwt. of superphosphate of lime an acre. They were grown under the management of Mr. John Baines, who, it is but justice to add, kept them perfectly clean and in good order. ST. DAVID'S DAY.—On Wednesday, the members of the Towyn Benefit Society held their anniversary. They assembled together at 11 a.m., and marched through the principal streets of the town, headed by the drum and fife band, carrying staves, flags, banners, and streamers, some of the officers wearing sashes. They afterwards repaired to the parish church, where an appropriate dis- course was delivered by the Rev. D. Evans, of Corns, after which they again paraded the streets and marched to the Town Hall, where a good and substantial repast was provided by host and hostess Parry. Some excellent speeches were delivered, pointing out the benefits which accrue from such societies. The savings of the working man were laid up to meet sickness, and there was that consolation to the family, they were independent of the parish. Some remarks were very telling, and urged on all who have it in their power to support such laudable institutions. We are glad to state that the funds of the Society appear healthy, although a good amount has been paid out for sickness; there was a good balanoe on the year's accounts, independent of what is deposited at the Bauk.