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,.r- I -i-i' 'JLLLLLI— — T. the EDITOR of The CAMBRIAN. SIR,-Lut week I addressed a letter to the Editor of the Carmarthen Journal, in reply to his remarks on my letter to the Times, lunching the conduct of the Dissenters here. The Editor of the Journal acknowledged the receipt of my letter, and added that it would probably be inserted in their next. As there is no certainty of its appearance in the Journal, I take the liberty of requesting the favour of yoor giving publicity to the letter in question, by allowing it to appear in the Cambrian. ( am, Sir, your very obedient servant. St. Clears, Sept. 4, 1843. J ROGERS. To the Editor of the Carmarthen Journal.' Sir.- I beg leave to make a few observations on the remarks contained in the Journal of the last week on my letter to the Time v. The charges brought forward by that paper against the Dis- senters of this neighbourhood are, first, that at the cominencement of the outrages, the fanners met the landlords to discuss the ques- tion at St. Clears-tbat a Dissenting Minister was the spokesman of the Rebeccailes, and that every man of the farmers refused to be sworn in a special contable until this Dissenting Minister, bsing pressed to it, came forward (to be sworn), when about fifty of his congregation followed his example immediately. Ily replv to the Times was—that no such meeting as the one above-named ever took place here, and that no Dissenting Minis. ter was the spokesman of the Rebeccaites—that the Rev, Joseph Williams (the Dissenting Minister referred to) was not sworn in a special constable that he did not go forward with fifty of his congiegation to be sworn. and that there was no refusal on the part of any one to be sworn. In vour defence of the Times report you solemnly declare that the main facts stated by the Times' correspondent are perfectly true, and that the contradiction made by me is totally at variance with the truth. One would think, after such declaration, that yoo were well prepared to substantiate some, if not all, of the charges. But how stands the fact ? Not a single charge has been proved. We shall now see. by your own defence, how the matter stands in the first place you state, that yon attended a meeting of Magistrates at St. Clears, in the month of February, for the purpose of swearing in Special Constables (this, by your own shewing, was not a meeting of landlords and farmers to discuss the question of outrages at the commencement of the disturbances, as stated by the Times) — that Mr Joseph Williams addressed this meeting as the organ of the farmers—(nothing is here said about a Rcbeccaite spokesman) that he made an overture to the Magis- trates to dismiss the military-that he went out to confer with the farmers, and returned communicating their consent to be sworn in, and upon doing so (this is not true) about fifty farmers came forward and were sworn in (there is nothing said here that HE was sworn in, or that fifty of his congregation followed his ex- ample)—that they (the farmers) demurred taking the oath nntil he bad extracted a promise (extracted, is this probable?) from the Magistrates that the military should be withdrawn, and that tbe Rev. Joseph Williams wall the mouthpiece of recusant farmeis.' This is your defence of the charges broaght bv the Times against the Dissenters, and I now ask yon seriously, Mr. Editor, is there anything in this defence that will bear yoa out in the solemn declaration vou have made, that the statement put forth by me is totally at variance with the truth, and that the main facta stated by the Times' reporter are true, I leave the public to jndge-and I think I may now turn round upon you, and say that your zeal has outstripped vour veracity, and your partizan zeal is greater than vnur discretion.' If you will take the trouble to refer to my letter to tbe Times, you will find that I admitted that a meeting was held on the 13th February, at St. Clears-llI..t the Rev. Joseph Williams took part in the proceedings at that meeting, and that about fifty or sixfy farmers were sworn in special con- stables. These admissions seem to be the sum and sabstance of voor defence of the Times' report, with this addition, that Mr. Will inms made himself busy in getting the farmers to be sworn in. and that he was the mouthpiece of the recusant farmers.' Mr. Williams, as I stated to the Times, attended this meeting at the request of two respectable Magistrates. He also attended from a sense of duty. He came forward to lend his assistance to restore, and also to promote peace and order-be spoke feelingly on the subject, and the Magistrates listened to him attentively, and concurred in the propriety of his remarks, inasmuch as at his suggestion the military were removed from St Clears and he also urged the farmers to come forward and assist in maintaining peace and order. We now come to the Carmarthen Journal report of this meet- ing. as given by yourself on the 17th of February. The public will naturally expect to find in this report a good deal said abcut this Dissenting Minister and Rebeccaile spokesman: figuring forth as the organ and mouthpiece of the recusant farmers, passing to and fro. while in and while out conferring with them as their leader and organ, &c. &c. Not one word of his name appears in the report. Mr. Lloyd Davies, on this occasion, is reported to have said. that he hoped that they (the farmers) would, for their own pockets' sake, come forward at once voluntarily to be sworn in as special constables, and by their exertions in that capacity he had no doubt that further riots would never again occur. He assured them, if they did so, he and his brother Magistrates would give orders to the military force to leave St. Clears that evening; and then followed your remarks, that about fifty respec- 1 able farmers CAME forward (not, were brought forward) and were sworn in, and that the Yeomanry left the same evening for head quarters—Pembroke. Vide Carmarthen Journal, 17th Feb., 1843 The Welshman, of the same date, also states that the Ma- gistrates called on all the respectable fitrmers present to enrol their names as special constables, which was immediately done. "Now I think I have pretty clearly shewn that there is no foundation for the slanderous report put forward by the Times. Yoo, as the Time. reporter's informant, appear to have got into a dilemma, from which, naturally enough, no doubt, you will try to extricate yourself. I have no pnrty purpose (as you seem to think) to serve at the expense of truth-my desire is to state tacts, and nothing more, and I desire the same in return. I feel obliged by yoor kindness in inserting my former letter in the Journal, and I now beg a similar favour for this. I remain, Mr. Editor, your very obedient servant, 8t. Clears, 29th August, 1843." "J ROGERS."

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