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Standing Joint Com- mittee. The quarterly meeting of the Standing 5P*nt Committee was held at the Town 2raM> Lampeter, on Thursday. Mr. G. F. presided and there were also Present Major Price Lewes, Cilcennin; ■S^essrs. Daniel L. Jones, Blaenpennal; Joseph Parry, Troedrhiwlwba; C. M. Wil- Peter Jones, D. C. Roberts, Aber- ystwyth Evan Richards, Penuwchfawr; Vv M. Howell, Aberayron; W. J. Willis pU.nd, London- J. Francis, Wallog; ^riffith Evans, Lovesgrove; G. R. Pryse, W. Inglis Jones, Den y Ormond; • Griffiths, Llangranog; H. D. Evans, and F. R. Roberts, clerk. "he Finance Committee recommended ^■hat bills amounting to £ 54 19s. 3d. for northern division, and £ 21 12s. lid. r the southern division should be paid. A balance of JB29 4s. 9d. was required to Pay bills. A sum of £ 900 was required for Police expenses for the ensuing quarter, "Slid the Committee recommended that a J^quisition should be made on the J-ounty Council for that amount. -Toe plans of the Llanon Police Station \Vere considered by the Committee and sub- mitted to a sub -comm;'te^. The Sub- committee met at Aberayron on March "1st, but owing to the absence of the ourveyor, the Committee were unable to ™ anything. A letter was received from the Secretary of the Reading Room at Llanbadarn Fawr, which was used for holding petty sessions, asking the Stand- ing Joint Committee to contribute half the ost of fixing gas brackets in the room. As the total cost was only 17s., and as the Magistrates might require the use of the gag, the Committee recommended that the Si*? of 8s. 6d. should be contributed. The ^hief Constable submitted a list of Jlationery required by the constabulary !th a view of obtaining fresh tenders for Pitting. It was resolved that the Chief V°nstable should be authorised to obtain Anders and to submit them to the next Meeting of the Committee. The following Resolution of the County Council was sub- mitted and considered by the Committee: "That this Council invites the Standing Joint Committee and their Finance Com- mittee, in dealing with the application of "khe Clerk of the Peace for ai} advance in salary, to consider—(a) that the Clerk of ''be Peace succeeded, only two years ago, ^'ithout the vacancy being advertised, to the average salary paid to the old clerk of £ 450 who had held the office for eighteen years (b), that the accession of new work imposed by the Small Holdings Act and licences Act has only recently been under- taken by the Clerk of the Peace and may be of temporary duration; (c), that the County Education Committee, which fairly presents the whole county, recently fixed 'H8 salary of their clerk or director at :£250, rising every year by L10 to maximum salary of JB500. Ths office had last year to do with a turnover of C42,000 of public Money as compared with a turnover of ^SjOOO handled at the offices of the Clerk 5* the Peace; "(d), that the Clerk of the Peace, primarily in virtue of his office was J^cently appointed to be clerk of the ~ounty Pension Committee, which office rIngs in a satisfactory increment." The ÛOInmittee recommended that an increase £ 86 should be granted. The Chairman proposed that the recom- mendations of the Committee with regard **> the Clerk's salary should be adopted. The 'Rev. D. Gritffihs, Llangranog, seconded thep reposition. Mr. J. M. Howell proposed an amend- ment that the Clerk should be asked to ^thdraw his application for an increase salary until after one year's experience the Local Taxation Licences Act. The matter had been carefully considered by the Finance Committee and there they ,Were divided-five against four-as to the Reasonableness of the application. The Vjjfrk, he thought, based his application chiefly upon the extra work devolving upon ihim in the matter of the Local Taxation nces Act which had brought in a good deal of extra work. The Pension Act, );hich was brought in this year, the scale pay in regard to which was fixed by Act of Parliament, had brought the Clerk £ 259, although the Act had not been in Operation more than three months. There \Vould be about 1,000 people who would become seventy years of age in Cardiganshire. That was only problem- atical, but it was based upon a good estImate which could be proved from statistics. Therefore, that Act would jiiig iu a fair remuneration. The Clerk W the Peace was appointed clerk of the pension Committee chiefly in virtue of the act that he was clerk of the peace, and it Was an increment which it could be said J^as attached to the clerkship of the peace. he was not clerk of the peace, he would llt have been clerk of the Pension Com- mittee. It was true, as the Clerk said, *«at he paid £ 175 for a clerk, leaving his •J&lary at £ 275. As against that, his con- ration was that if the clerk devoted his .hole time to the work of the office he ?°uld do a great deal of the work which paid a clerk for now doing. In the appointment of Mr. Roberts- as clerk there not only a consideration for a sense of ytness, but there was also a regard for ereditary principle. His father had been for many years, and for personal vpounds he (Mr. Howell) would be glad to 1JPport the application, but as a repre- sentative of the ratepayers he could not Sring himself to the frame of mind to be- |Peve that it was reasonable to grant an K'°fease at that moment. He suggested J~at it would have been better to have Raited to see the result of the of the Local Licences Act Jj ,an to ask for an increase of ftn+ry before the Act was really brought ffpo operation. In the appointment of r* Roberts as clerk of the peace in 1907, Work of County Council was allocated — Evan Evans, and the business was Pportioned between the two. The new trf'u. which was devolving upon the Clerk the Peace in connection with the Acts ,w5>rk primarily connected with the nistrative work of the County •b aT1d not the work of the Committee •oiT^ therefore it would be well if they •t +i! ascei"tain from the County Cbuncil %■« end of twelve months what really jhe extra work devolving upon the ^ouIh °'erk- He thought the Committee •dv then be safe in proposing an ance of salary if such a recommendation came from the Finance Committee of the County Council. He thought that the reasons he had given would convince the Committee that at that moment his amendment was a reasonable one. Mr. D. L Jones seconded the amend- ment. Mr. C. M. Williams said he thought lr. Howell had moved his amendment in a temperate and reasonable speech. It would be an excellent thing if the Com- mittee accepted the amendment unani- mously. For a long period the Standing Joint Committee had got on re very pleasantly with their Clerk, and there had been no friction of any kind. The matter wa.s fully debated at the Finance Com- mittee, and expression was made that if at the end of twelve months it was shown that there was additional work, iid if a reasonable request was made, the Com- mittee would be unanimous in granting an increase. He felt strongly with Mr. Howell that no case as yet had been made out for an increase. Referring to the Small Holdings Act, Mr. Williams said that very little had yet been done with regard to the Act, and if they found that substantial work had to be done it was only reasonable that some acknowledg- ment should be made. A return was issued some time ago, and from that return he found that Montgomeryshire (where an increase of salary had been granted) had considerably more than double the number of applications than was shown in Cardi- ganshire. They had received a certain number of applications in Cardiganshire, but the work as yet was not very great. If the matter was allowed to remain for twelve months, and it was shown that substantial work had to be done; he would support any reasonable request for an in- crease of salary. In this matter, how- ever, he felt that no case had been made out. There was a strong feeling in the I county with reference to the matter, and perhaps other members had also received letters protesting against any increase being made at the present time. It was also stated that if the office was open on the morrow there would be plenty of applicants who would devote their whole time to the work for a much smaller salary. When the Clerk was appointed there was a strong feeling that £ 400 would be an adequate salary and an amendment was proposed to that effect, but ultimately 9450 was agreed to. It was also expressed strongly that the Committee should take into consideration the fact that the County Council paid £ 80 a year to a financial clerk It was also reasonable that the Committee should consider what increments fell to the Clerk in virtue of his office as clerk of the peace for the county. The County Council had already appointed Mr Evans to be returning officer for the County Council, and it was pointed out at the Finance Committee that this yielded at least L100 every third year. The Clerk of the Peace had also been appointed clerk of tht:1 Licensing Committee.. The work was not very heavy, but he was appointed at JE50. In virtue of his office he was also appointed clerk of the Old-Age Pensions Committee. For three months—with an attendance of something like twenty meet- ings, one-fourth of them at Aberystwyth itself—the Act had brought in a sum of nearly C260. If they took the amount paid to the Clerk for the past year they could safely say that a sum of something like £ 822 had been paid. Mr. Williams ^ben referred to the salaries paid in other counties and detailed the work of the Clerk. He heartily supported the amend- ment. Mr. Willis Bund pointed out that the sum which was proposed to be paid to the Clerk was money which would not come out of the rates in any shape or way. It was the sum which was paid over to the County Council out of the money which the Government had allotted to different councils for the purposes of the Act. Mr. D. C. Roberts supported the recom- mendation of the Committee. He agreed with what Mr. Willis Bund had said. The J, j386 was the sum which the Treasury had allotted for the purpose of carrying out the provisions of the Act, and it was that amount that would be handed over to the Clerk for doing work. It was not a ques- tion of a penny charge on the rates, and he was certain that no one could say that it was too much for the work which would have to be undertaken. Mr. Roberts also pointed out that Merionethshire appointed a clerk immediately after Mr Roberts was appointed for Cardiganshire. The salary paid in Merionethshire was £ 500— £ 475 and JE25 fees. The salary paid in Cardigan- shire was £ 450. Cardiganshire was a much larger county, and he took it that the work was rather more than the work of Merionethshire and yet the salary in Cardiganshire was less. Mr. C. M. Williams—The appointment in Merionethshire was made prior to ours. Mr. D. U. Roberts—If I have made a slight mistake, I do not think it affects the figures. Mr. Peter Jones said he agreed with Mr Willis Bund. The Committee were only a conduit to hand over the money to the Clerk. It was a misnomer to say that it would be an extra charge on the rate- payers. On being put to the vote, five voted for the amendment and twelve for the recom- mendation of the Committee which was declared carried. Mr. C. M. Williams asked if he would be in order in moving an amendment that half of the zC86 should be allocated to the police account on the ground that they were doing part of the work ? The Chairman stated that Mr. Williams would be quite in order, but Mr Williams stated that it was not his intention of moving the amendment. In his quarterly report, the Chief Con- stable stated that the present state of the force is as follows:—One chief constable, one deputy chief constable, one superin- tendent, one inspector, seven sergeants, and thirty constables. At 7-10 p.m Janu- ary 19th, 1909, P.C. (2) David Evans, Devil's Bridge, received information that a tramp had stolen wearing apparel to the value of Cl from a house at Llanfarian. From Inquiries he made he found that a man answering the description of the thief had passed through the Devil's Bridge earlier in the day. He mounted his bicycle and cycled after him all night and arrested him at Llandinam in Montgom- eryshire, at three a.m. on the following day with the property in his possession. He was afterwards sent to prison for two months. He recommended the Committee to grant the constable a reward of 5s. for his diligence in the case. On January 31st P.C. 31, Rees Da vies, was promoted from second class to first class. On March 28th, P.C. 27, Fred Selwood, and P.C. 21 Thomas Jones, were promoted from second class to first class, and the pay of P.C. 13, John Evans, was raised from 24s. 6d. to 25s. 8d. per week. He had visted all the stations in the county during the quarter and found them in good order. The report was adopted and, on the pro- position of Mr. Willis Bund, it was agreed to sanction the reward of 5s to P.C. David Evans. Devil's Bridge. In accordance with notice of motion, Mr Willis Bund drew attention to the pro- visions of the Children Act. Mr. Bund stated that in the Act the Police Authority were to provide places of detention for juvenile offenders. No person under six- teen would now be sent to prison unless they were so unruly that it would not be safe to keep them in places of detention. If it was necessary to provide places of detention in every petty sessional division, it would certainly involve very serious cost on the county. He pointed out that there was a large number of union workhouses in the county and there was no objection, as far as he could make out, for utilising the unions as places of deten- tion. He proposed that the Chief Con- stable should take the matter into con- sideration and report to the next meeting. Mr Peter Jones seconded the proposition which was agreed to. Mr Willis Bund also pointed out that the Act provided for separate courts for children. If the justices—in cases where children were brought up—would meet on another day; no other provision would be necessary. He did not think the cir- custances of the county would justify the expense of providine extra rooms, and he proposed that circulars should be sent to justices' clerks in the county asking that the justices should meet on another day. Mr. C. M. Williams seconded the pro- position which was agreed to.—Referring to section 3 and 40 of the Act relating to juvenile smoking, Mr Bund pointed out that it would be the duty of a constable and park keeper being in uniform to seize any cigarettes or cigarette papers in the possession of any person apparently under the age of sixteen. Direction should be given as to the disposal of cigarettes so seized, and he proposed that the matter should be left to the Chief Constable to use his discretion. Mr. J. M. Howell—Smoke them himself. Mr. Bund—No. He might injure his health. (Laughter.) Mr. J. M. Howell seconded the proposi- tion which was agreed to.

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