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Carmarthenshire Education Committee. The monthly meeting of the Carmarthen- shire Education Committee was held at the Carmarthen Townhall, on Thursday, the 11th inst. Mr John Lloyd, J.P., Penybank, pre- sided. There were ailso present Mrs J. V\- Gwynne Hughes, Tregeyb; Mrs Lloyd, Llian- elly; Mr John Johns, Pareeithin Mr David Evans, Manordaf; Mr J. Lloyd Thomas, Tan- lan; Mr J. Llew. Thomas., Hendy; Mr J. R. James, Llandovery; Mr H. J. Thomas, Pen- rhos; Rev J. Towyn Jones, Cwmamman; Rev Professor D. E. Jones., Carmarthen; Mr D. Davies, Rhiblyd; Rev J. H. Ilees, Burry Port; Sir Lewis Morris, Penbryn; Mr Ben. Evans, Brithdix; together with the Clerk (Mr J. W. Nicholas); tht Educational Clerk (Mr T. Brown); the Financial Clerk (Mr Pearce); the Architect (Mr W. P. Jenkins); and the Chie. Attendance Offcer (Mr James Morgan). SECULAR EDUCATION DISCUSSED. Mr H. J. Thomas called attention to the resolution passed at the La&t meeting of the Committee in favour of secula.r education. He objected to that iasmuch as no notice 01 motion had been given and it did not appeal on the agenda. This was brought on without notice at the last meeting, after the majority of the members had left. He thought that a resolution of that sort ought to appear on the agenda. It was a serious matter and ought to be discussed thoroughly as it stood it com- mitted the Education Committee to secular education. He really thought that it was not right that they should allow this to pass; he, therefore, protested against it. Mr J. R. James said that he concurred with what Mr H. J. Thomas had said. Due notice ought to have been given of such a motion. He was personally in favour of secular education, but lie should be prepared to waive his own opinion in favour of that which seemed to Hold sway in the country generally. He did not tlimk that such a resolution ought to be carried without the whole of the other members knowing that it was to come on. The tactics were not what they ought to be. i Mrs Gwynne Hughes said that she quite endorsed what had been said. She did not think that the resollltiou was an expression of the feelings of the majority of the com- mittee neither did she think it was an ex- pression of the feelings of the parents of the children who attended the Council schools. Surely their feelings ought to be considered. It was only natural that the parents should wish some kind of religious instruction to be given to the children. They could not always depend on the instruction they got in the Sunday School and in the home. She bad Lately come across a girl 20 years of age, who did not know who Moses was she did not know whether he was a man or a horse. How could such people understand the meaning of a Church service. Mr J. Johns: Is this in order. The Chairman said that he thought they might allow Mrs Gwynne Hughes to proceed. Mrs Gwvnne Hughes said that she was going to propose that. they should appoint a committee to see whether they could not arrive at a scheme of simple unsectarian reli- gious instruction in the schools on the lines of Merionethshire. Rev Towyn Jones: I protest against the irregularitv. The Chairman If you say the minutes are a correct record-- Rev Towyn Jones: But I was not her, Mr J. Johns: Whose fault was that (laugh- ter). Mrs Gwvnne Hughes was going on to say that there were only five members present when the rsolution was passed, when The Rev Towvn Jones, speaking in Welsh at the same time, said that those who were left behind represented the whole Committee. Mr H. J. Thomas said that would have been the case if there had been a notice of motion.. Professor Jones rose to point out some- thing, and lie, Mrs Gwynne Hughes, the Rev Towyn Jones, and Mr H. J. Thomsa were on their feet at once. Rev Towyn Jones: I protest against this canvassing going on, and which brought Mrs Gwynne Hughes here. I stand for the Bible as much as .Gwvnne Hughes any day. Mrs Gwyne Hughes: There has been no canvassing.. Professor Jones: I rise to a point of order. I think the question—— # There wore crws of Ghswir, chair, and. it was impossible for anything to be understood for a time as there were five or &ix members speaking at the same time. Professor Jones: What is the question? The Chairman: The confirmation of the minutes of the last meeting-whether they are a correct record of what took place. After a little more disorder, the Chairman was able to put the q net si on to the meeting, and it was decided that the minutes be con- firmed. )1r. Gwynne Hughes: Can't I give notice to bring it en at the next meeting? I think I am in the right. Rev Towyn Jones: Can't I sav one word^ There were only five mem Iters left behind at the meeting, and they-- Mr J. Johns: -Were the only sensible It was understood that. Mrs Gwynne- Hughes's notice of motion be placed on the agenda fcr the next meeting. MORE EXEMPTIONS WANTED. The Clerk said that there were a Large number of applications from parents who wished their children to be exempted from attending school. Some of the applications were from the parents of children who had failed to pass the examinations for Labour certificates. Supfc. Morgan said that if they granted many applications of th:s sort, it would be impossible to enforce school attendan«e at all. If there were any case which deserved special notice lie would bring it before them. NO MIRACLES. Mr Killick. the headmaster of Gwemogle j School, said that he had had to withdraw from the appointment which he had received last month because he could not find a substi- tute to take his place. As he did not pretend to be a worker of miracles, he asked tnem to accept his three months' notice. Professor Jones: Ve accept it with regret that he cannot work miracles. DAIRY SCHOLARSHIPS. Some correspondence was read bearing on the case of a young lady from Llansawel. She had been granted a dairy scholarship at the meeting of the Committee, but had after- wards been passed over as it appeared that she had not fulfilled one of the conditions which was that she should have amended a course at the Iravetlimc, dairy school. It was pointed out on her behalf that it was very many years. since the travelling dairy school ( harl been to Llansawel. ) The Clerk s:aid that when it was found that this young lady was not qualified they had offered it to the next on the Ijst, She, too, wai found to be disqualified, and the scholar- ship had been offered to and accepted by a third. The Chairman said that the Professor had informed the committee that anybody going lip there without having gone through the elementary course would not be benefitted hy the instruction. Mr H. J. Thomas said that they allowed the boys to take agricultural scholarships without any previous preiparation. Mr J. Johns moved that they grant this young lady an extra scholarship, and granl one less next year.. Rev W. Davies, in seconding, said that it was a most deserving oasp. Professor Jones said that there were several other cases of the same kind. They might just as well grant five scholarships exti-A as one. The Chairman said that they passed over another as well as this young lady in this dis- trict. Wculd they grant scholarships to both.. Mr J. Johns said that the other young la<ry referred to had a sister who had had a &cholr- 61a i P. The Chairman said the matter could not be discussed without suspending the Stand- ing Order. Ten members voted for the suspension of the Standing Orders. The Clerk said that it required three- fourths of those present to suspend tue Standing Onkrs. Only ten out of the nine- teen had voted for the suspension. Rev Towyn Jones asked that the matter he put to the vote again. Many of them d,id net understand that a three-fourths majority was required. The ^nan-man: We have finished with it. LLANDOVERY BRITISH SCHOOL. A letter was received from the Board of Education stating that Llandovery British Selimil would not be recognised after the 31st March next, unless the DepaJrtment were satisfied that a permanent building was about Mr J. R. James moved, Mr David Bvans 1 seconded, and it was unanimously carried that an extension of time be -applied for. rohe erected. THE TUMBLE CASE. Evidence was read from the Tumble, which showed that the holder of ia P.T. Scholarship there had been unable to proceed with his course owing to ililness. It was, therefore, decided to waive the question of a return of the fees. THE LLANDDEUSANT SCHOOLS. The Clerk saad that the managers were willing to transfer this school, but the owner declined to consent. The Committee had made requisitions for repairs, and these had not been carried out. Mr D. Davies proposed that they allow this to stand over until the new Act came into force.—This was agreed to. INFORMATION FOR THE HOUSE OF LORDS. The Clerk said that he had received a request from the Board of Education to furnish information required by the House of Lords regarding the religious instruction given in the Council schools. H had sent the required inforanaition. Mm Gwynne Hughes: It is most unsatis- factory. TALLEY SCHOOL—A LOCAL PROTEST. The Rev Alban Davies, Vicar of Talley, headed a deputation of 23, which came to pro- test against the erection of a new school at Cwmdu. He regretted that Mr Davies, of Tynycwm, was not there to head the deputa- tion, as he had an important meeting to attend in connection with the Congrega- tionalists at Ffalldybrellin. Mr Mabon Davies: He is not a minister is he? The Vioar, continuing, said that the pairsihioners were willing to spend any money to put the present building in good repair. The population of the place was decreasing. They were told that the committee were going to build a. school for 60 children. The number on the books was 31, whilst the aver- age attendance was 26. There were four or five schools within three miles of Cwmdu school, and, therefore, the parishioners thought it hard upon them to have a, new school built. It would mean a rate of 3d in the £ in that parish. They believed in edu- cation, but not in paying more than was necessary. The building, he was informed, was estimated to cost J6900, and the cost was always more than the estimate. Widows were only allowed Is 6d a week to feed and clothe their children— £ 3 18s a year. But every chad in Cwmdu school cost £ 5 annually to educate. The population of tue parish was decreasing. Rev W. Davies: How many of you are from the neighbourhood of Cwmdu ? Only three members held up their hands. Mrs Gwynne Hughes said that the ven- tilation of the old school was defective, the roof was defective, and there was no head- room. If they read the report they would see that the schooil would have to be rebuilt. The position was. very low, and if the school was to be rebuilt they had better have a school in a new position. Rev WT. Davies: Who said the estimate was £900. Rev Alban Davies: I cannot, give my authority; but we have it on good authority. Rev W. Davies: Before you brought such a statement here, you must have had some authority to influence your minds.—The Rev W. Davies then appealed to the Architect to answer the question. The Architect said that they had built schools at tl2 per head; but he had give-i no person any authority to state that the school would cost any particular sum. Rev W. Davies: Do you consider the pre- sent building worthy of education. Rev Alban Davies I have no opinion cue way or the other. Rev W. Davies: I ask you as a gentleman in the neighbourhood who takes II; Jiderist in the progress of everything good, if you consider tha-t it is in any way wo"tij of a public school so far as the buildi ig and the site is concerned. Rev Alban Davies: That is the opinion of the parishoners and of the Government In- spector. Rev W. Davies: I understand you held one or two meetings. Rev Alban Davies: Three. Rev W. Davies: Did you hold any meet- ings in Cwmdu. Rev Alban Davies said that the parish meetings were aways held in Talley. Rev W. Davies: Answer my question. Rev Alban Davies: No. Rev W. Davies You held no public meet- ing in the very neighbourhood where the school is to be. Whrere did you hold the meetings. Rev Alban Davies: At Talley School. Rev W. Davies: How far is that from Cwmdu ? Rev Alban Davies: About a mile and a quarter. Rev W. Davies: I am told it is two miles. In the neighbourhood of one school you held a meeting to destroy ,another school two milea off ? What was the majority? Wasn't it only two votes Mr H. 0. Long Price (who was present, but not with the deputation): Three. Rev Alban Davies.: The minority did not trouble about it. They said We are going to have the school, and it does not matter." Professor Jones: They have plenty of faith. The Clerk went through the Ion,, list of repairs which H.M. Inspector reported as necessary, and the Vioar said that they would be willing to do them all. Mrs Gwynne Hughes said that they might expect an increase of population in the dis- trict as a railway was going to be made there. Mr J. Johns said that the fact that there were empty houses there was in favour of an increase of population. Rev Alban Davies then thanked the Com- mittee for hearing them, and hoped that the Committee would meet the wishes of the deputation. Mr W. Mabon Davies: Hear, hear. The deputation then withdrew. The Chairman said that if a new school were built the cost would fall mainly on the locality, whilst if the school were repaired the cost would come out of the county funds. Mr B. Evans said that they were always demanding popular control. It seemed to him that the locality had to pay, and had very little control. It would be only reasonable, therefore, that the Committee should at least hold an enquiry on their own account. He moved that they appoint a small committee to hold an enquiry with the Clerk and the Architect. Mr W. Maibon Davies seconded. Rev J. H. Rees said that some members of the deputation came from the neighbourhood of the school. Rev W. Davies said that it was only car- ried by three voftes at the other end of the parish. Mr J. R. James said that there were wheels within wheels in country districts, and it was no good going on face facts. Mr D. Davies asked if this was a Council school. The Clerk said it was. Mr D. Davies asked how the parish was going to spend money on it then. The Clerk: They mean they would not grumble. Mr J. Johns said that when an enquiry was held in a county district, labourers and small farmers were often afraid to come forward and to speak their minds. He moved that they proceed with the building. Mr J. LIew. Thomas seconded the amend- ment, which was carried by 9 votes against 6. Mr W. -Iali->oii Davies: You are very wrong. The Clerk said that. if the objectors had sent in their objections to the Board of Edu- eat ion in time, they could have a Govern- ment enquiry. THE TEACHING OF WELSH. Rev Towyn Jones had a motion on the agenda in of the inclusion of Welsh in the school curriculum. He asked if he could be allowed to take it now. If it came at the end of the agenda, it might be said that it was passed when the bulk of the members were absent. The Chairman said that he could move it then if he did not take too much time. The Rev Towyn Jones said that he moved the resolution. The Chairman Does anybody second it? Mr W. N. Jones: I do. Tip Chairman put the motion,which was carried unaniimouoy. Rev Towyn Jones said that this was a big

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