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CHESHIRE CHAMBER OF AGRI- CULTURE. 1 THE MEAT CRISIS. INSURANCE DEVELOPMENT IN THE CREWE DISTRICT. WARRANTY DEMAND SHELVED. RAILWAY COMBINES—POTATO DISEASE. A general m oiing of members of the Cheshire Chamber of Agriculture was held on Monday at the Crcwo Arms Hotel, Crewe, at which several important matters weno considered, including the nw-ut w arrant v question. The cltair v.as occu- pied by Mr. G. B Bakor-Wilbrabam (president), and there were also present Mr. C. B. Davies (secretary), Mr. T. C. ToIer. W haley Bridge; Mr. W. McCrackcn, Crewe; Prof. H. S. Dai no, Mouldswoith, Chester; Mr. T. J. Young, Prin- cipal of the, Cheshire Agricultural College Mr. J. Byrd, Spurstow Mr. W. J. Dutton, Brind- ley Hall; Mr. J. Sadler, secretary of the Cheshire Milk Producers' Association Mr. Rowe Morris, Chester; Mr. J. Buckley, Mr. J. Proud- love and Mr. S Johnson, Sandbach; Mr. B. C. Bostock, Haslington; Mr. Milliagton, Noith- wich; Mr. G. W. Hill, Knutsford; Mr. J. Hewitt, Northwich; and others. SWINE FEVER REGULATIONS. The Secretary icport:d that in accordance with the resolution passed at the last moeting be had written to the Boaid of Agriculture pointing out that the stringent regulations re- lating to swine fever seriously hampered the breeding of pigs by small farmers, and urging that Cheshire should be allowed to revert to Warmer* lie-gulations. Beyond an acknowledg- ment the letter had not been answered. The Pr-jsidcwt: The Board of Agriculture have modified their position. The Secretary: Yes, but nevertheless this difficulty of breeding docs exist at the pi>?sont time DESTRUCTION OF DISEASED POTATOES. Mr. Millington asked if it were correct that tho authorirties had power to compel a farmer to destroy diseased potato crops, and. would there be no compensation. Mr. T. J. Young said the Board of Agricul- ture had issued an order, which was compulsory, but they not. pressing it, nor were they compelling anyone to destroy their potatoes. Thi y were recommending it. They did not intend to compel destruction until they knew more about the cause of disease and its preva- lence. Mr. Millington Do they expect a farmer to destroy his potatoes? Mr. Young No, they merely reconunend him to do so, if he likes. Mr. Millington: I should think he will not like. SPEED OF MOTOR-CARS. The Yorkshire. Union of Agricultural Clubs askfd the Cheshire Chamber to support tlx- fol- lowing resolution a.nd to bring pressure to bear upon the Government to "diminish the dangers and intolerable nuisances arising from mo.or- cars": having regard to the great num- ber of serious accidents directly attributable to the reck'e-is driving of motor-cais. there should be no relaxation of. tho spoed limit, and the p'-nal provisions of the A or should be- move rigidly enforced for the protection of the public at large." Mr. B. C. Bostock said he considered the speed limit of 20 miles excessive in many coun- try districts. Recently the Haslington Council passed a resolution asking the County Ccunc-il to male; the limit ten miles in that viiLage. Hc> thought it advisab'o that this limit should be adopted in ether parishes. The President said the position the Yorkshire Union took up was a reasonable one, and he thought they should suppoit it. On the motion of Mr. Tolcr, seconded by Mr. Bostock, it was agreed to support the Yoikshire Union. RAILWAY COMBINATIONS AND PUBLIC INTERESTS. A communication was reed from the National Fruit Growers' Association, asking support for the following resolution ''That in view of the numoious working agreements which aTe b?ing made between railway oompani-as who have pre- yioiisly competed for the custom of the public, it has become nc-oessary that power should be given to some authority to watch over the in- terests of traders and the public, and to see that some portion of the increased profits arising from tho monopoly which will in future h" in the hands of the combined railways should be slotted to the public in tho form of bettor ser- ,,d ,.i vices, increased facilities or redur«?d rates, and that such or other authority should be able to deal without appeal with all claims for compen- Bation for domago of not greater value than £ 20" The Prcsid?nt remarked that the only ques- tion to him was that the association might be a little premature in its conclusions. They were anticipating the time when the monopolies might raaso tho rates. Mr. Tolcr said it was a large question, and the English railways might, adopt the methods of the American trusts. The point was whether the Mansion House Committee ha.d th? power to p:*C'vent railway companies raising their rates. In his district the competition between the L. a.nd N.-W. and the Midland had bo?n of c-on- •iderable advantage, but now that they had combined them was a probability that rates Would go up again. MT. J. Sadler said it was not, meiely a ques- tion of rates, but of decreased services. There Woivi a number of ways in which railways could expedite t.raffio and improve the public oonveni- 1 10 ûü. He was of the opinion that the general public would be mad;, to suffer, because the ohoioo whioh competition gave would be taken away. The rules and regulations and the pen- alties which were imposed upon the public would ic be increased. Whether the proposal se-it out Was pronnaiuro or nor, he thought something should b- done. Tho Secretary i\ marked that some years ago the Chairman secured a reduction of one farth- ing a gallon in ihe milk rates, and it was then found that farmers wer:' still paying the legal rate. Railway companies, having combined, would demand the full legal rate, and that might be detrimental to the interests of traders. The Mansion House Committee kept a sharp look- out upon the rales, but he was not sure that they did so in regard to facilities. The President, said it would be their duty to keep a sharp look out for anything that might be prejudicial to fanners' intis-nesis. It was agreed to support the resolution of the Fruit Growers' Association with the exception of the last sentence rotating to compensation. MEAT WARRANTY. OPPOSITION TO BUTCHERS' DEMANDS. The question of the demand of the National Federation of Meat Traders for a warranty as to the soundness of cattle purchased from far- mers was discussed at some length. At the out- set tho Secretary read letters on the subject from members who were unab'e to be present. Mr. H J. Tollemuche, J.P., wrote the follow- ing: — Dorfold Hall, Nantwich, Oct. 24. 1908. Dear Mr. Davies,-T am afraid I shall not be able to attend the Chamber meeting, as there ie a Petty Sessional meeting at Nantwich that day. Personally, I think it would have been Wiser if fanners' associations, while strenuously resisting the demand for a warranty, had shewn a readiness to discuss the whole question with the butchers, but in this view I am I know in a minority, and apparently after the- decision of tihe Tuberculosis Committee, there is no possi- bility of any arrang-ement being come to. I can only hope that the result of the controversy 13-Y bo the withdrawal of a demand which ought never to have been made, and which no farmer ought to submit to.—Yours truly, HENRY TOLLEMACHE. Mr. C. E. Linaker, Frodsham, wrote: 'T am afraid I shall not be able to get to the meeting on Monday, as I have another meeting near Harrington. I e-a.nnor say that I quite agree with the attitude of the- farmer over this meat Warranty. I quite agree- that a warranty cannot be given by the farmer, but the door should bo opened, for negotiations on tho lines of mutual insurance, as I feel confident at the present there is no hope of getting the compensa- ~°n from the Governm-e-nt, and if the Butchers' Association persist in the course they have sug- gested, a deadlock is likely to occur which caii- nQIj; be in the interests of feeders." The Secretary next formally reported that a COnfereii- of members of the Cheshire Gham- bor of Agriculture and the Cheshire Miik Pro- I duoors' Association had decided that the request for a warranty could not be accepted,, and that the conference at Wellington had pledged far- mers to give no warranty. The- former confer- ence had suggested a joint meeting between far mors and butchers, with a view to promoting legislation by which compensation for diseased animals should bo provided out of Imperial funds. Mr. J. Sadler formally moved that these re- ports be received and approved. Mr. Rowe Morris (Chester) seconded. Mr. B. S. Bostock asked if any statistics wero in existence as to the number of animals de- stroyed in consrequence of tuberculosis and the losses entailed. Mr Sadler: I know of no such statistics. The President: Some people say tho percent- age will be found to be very small, but I do not think there are any exact facts. THE NEXT STEP. The President, opening the discussion on the subject, said he had felt from the beginning that the butchers could not fairly demand a warranty, and farmers w(': agreed upon that point- Both sides were agreed also that. they should press upon the Government the need for compeMsai ion in the ease of animals slaughtered on account of tuberculosis. But between tho present and the time- when they would get. com- pensation there would be a considerable inter- val, and the point was how the- matter was to ha dealt with during that interval. It had been advocated, and with some success, that the far- mer should give a formal challenge to the butcher, to refuse the warranty, and acting in unity with his follows, take his chan-ce of the butcher holding out. That was the present posi- tion, and it was too late in the day to alter it. Personally, he thought that earlier they might have tried negotiations with the butchers with a view to joint insurance, and it appeared to him that they had magnified the matter of insurance unnecessarily. If the insurance were limited to boasts afflicted with tuberculosis, and if it covered the widest po-eible- area, he fell con- vinced that the amount payable by the insurance fund would he a small one, and the burden would bo light. They would, too, retain their inde- pendence. It. seemed a fair tiling to ask for Government compensation, but that, mad.- them df.pendent, and more so ovary time they applied. If 3d. were contributed by both sides in a transaction, and the scheme applied over a wide area, he was convinced it would be successful They would be doing a very good thing by put- ting it on a workable basis, and he regretted negotiations were not attempted with the. Butc-heis' Federation Oil lines of that sort. WHOLE THING IMPRACTICABLE. Mr. Millington declared it was not a matter of meeting the butchers in a fair spirit, but the whole thing was impracticable. Take Crewe market. The cattle ,Old there were distributed all over the country, sometimes they changed hands several times before they left the market, and a farmer might receive a claim from the Potteries, from Birmingham, or even from London. How was he to know it. was his b-LaA, and had he to make the long journey to if it were, and whether it was tuberculosis? The President: I am entirely in agreement that farmers should not give a warranty. It was the question of insurance, he added, upon which he had spoken. Mr. Millington Even at Chester the insurance h broken down. The President: It is a very limited area. Mr. Millington The bigger the area the worse it will be. Farmers, he proceeded, suffered loefxw in milk on account of tuberculosis, and were in quite as bad a predicament ae the butchers. Why the latter should demand that the farmers should be responsible he could not understand. Although he could make no impu- tation against butchers as a class, there were a few that "were not quite equare"—(laughter)— and farmers would be at the mercy of these men if warranties were given. They should maintain a bold front. It wae said that the Government would be a long time before they gave com- pensation. They would if the fiat down quietly. Other industries demanded that their wrongs should be redressed, and he did not see why farmers should not. (Hear, hear.) The Government was exactly as they made it. and farmers were strong enough to carry out their wishes. PUBLIC BECOMING NERVOUS. Mr. T. C. Toler agreed that farmers should certainly stand with their back to the wall. The public were becoming nervous about their milk and meat, and he was afraid a good deal of tuberculous meat did find its way into the towns. That being so, farmers rihould take fhe lead, Complaint had been made that tuberculosis was induced by the way cattle were housed, and it wae the duty of the landowner to supply good buildings and the farmer to keep his stock in good order. Landowners ought to do more in regard to good buildings, and if they could not: afford, the Government should help them by short loans. He had t-xxni many buildings that j were not fit to put cattle in, and that was a question they would sooner or later have to tackle. Mr. W. McCracken suggested that in the event of an insurance scheme, committees of farmers and butchers should be appointed to prevent fraud. WHAT THE BUTCHERS HAVE DECIDED. WARRANTY WAIVED: INSURANCE INSISTED UPON. Mr. J. Bucldcv, Sandbach, who is a butcher j as well as a farmer, arcked farmers not to forget that the meat traders tried to get a Bill through Parliament providing for compensation, but j failed, being told that it was a trade incident, They contended it was not a trade incident, and farmers and butchers ought to work together. He would point out that the butchers approached the farmers on the matter, but the latter said "it had nothing to do with them." Last Spring the Crewe Butchers' Association asked the local farmers to discuss the matter with them, but the latter passed a resolution declining to do eo. Now, when the warranty was asked for, it was aa a red rag to a bull. (Hear, hear.) Well, the butchers were allowed a little latitude, and they had decided to change the word "warranty" into "insurance." Crewe and North Staffordshire butchers had a meeting last Thursday, at which several auctioneers were present, and the result was that next week the auctioneers would be prepared to accept from the farmers Is. for every maiden heifer or bullock, 2s. for every cow, and 3d. for every pig, these sums to form a fund from which insurance would be paid. In caee of any loss through a diseased beast, tho butchers would bear one-third, the remaining two-thirds to come out of the insurance fund. The mini- mum purchase price on which insurance would be paid would & £ 10 for a heifer or bullock, JB12 for a cow, and JE2 for a pig. If the farmers refused to pay these small sums, the members of the Crewe and North Stafford Butchers' Ao-o- ciation would not bid. I wish you to drop the word warranty," said Mr. Buckley. I know why Chester has failed." Mr Rowe Morris: Chester has rvsver failed. Mr. B. S. Boetock said the result of the scheme outlined by Mr. Buckley was that the butchers would run up the insured beasts to fancy prices, and would not bid for the others. Mr. Rowe Morris said he was given to under- stand that the Chester insurance scheme was to be eontiued until the end of the year. It was quite right, as Mr. Millington had suggested, thai, one of the funds was a little in debt, but if things went on as at present, it would soon have a surplus. The other fund had money in hand. At the end of the year balance sheets would be drawn up, and they would then decide whether the scheme should go further. In reply to questions, Mr. Buckley eaid the insurance scheme would apply r-olely to tubercu- losa, and the butchers paid nothing to the fund but. bore one-th'rd of any looses. This would be a safeguard against imposition. Ninety per cent of Crewe butchem were members of the a/rociation. WARRANTY "BROKEN DOWN." Mr. James Sadler said what he had anticipated had come to pass. The warranty had broken down, and if other local associations would fol- low the example of the Crewe Association they would prevent a great deal of d seomfort to i themselves. The motion to approve the reports nientioi-icd, was then adopted. The following i*solution, moved by Mr. B. S. Bostock and seconded by the Chairman, was then j submitted to the meeting:— That this Chamber approves as an exper ii-wnt the scheme of insurance laid before it by Mr. James. Buckley, with the exception of areas in which an insurance scheme is already in opera- tion. Schedule: 13. per bullock or heifer. 2s. per oow, 3d. per via. Value of pige over L2, value of bullocks and heifers over LIO, value of cows over B12. Mr. G. W. Hill (Knuteford) said it would be much simpler if the butcher and auctioneer arranged the scheme and left the farmer out altogether. IN A PANIC. Mr. J. Sadler hoped the resolution would be defeated, because to pass it would be doing two questionable things, first, it would be legislating in a panic, and second, it would be giving the butchers all they were asking for. The figures mentioned were their "asking price," and they would probably take a good deal leas. He did not blame the butchers for the action they had taken, but he would blame the farmers a good deal if they agreed to a matter like that, sprung upon them suddenly. It was not merely a ques- tion of insurance, but of farmers insuring the butchers' risks. There would be no harm in ap- pointing a deputation to meet the butchers. It had not yet been settled whether the disease was a trade risk or whether it was a matter for Government interference, and if it were a trade risk the butcher should bear it. He held the opinion that it was not a trade risk, but it was a matter the Government should take in hand in coneciion with some broad scheme of stamp- ing out or minimising tuberculosis. He wa.-< prepared to help the butchers to get from the Government what was their due, but it was quite a different matter to ask them to take the butchers' risk. Until it had been decided whether or not it was a trade risk they should move warily. The President remarked that if the resolution w-ere not carried the butchers would take their o .vn course and not bid. Mr. Rowe Morris: When next week comes it will right iteelf. Mr. Millington suggested that the butcher should pay half and the farmer half the insurance charge. Mr. Buckley said the butchers were not going to oontribute one halfpenny to any insurance scheme, because if they did their legal position would be altered. BETTER SCHEME WANTED. The Secretary said he was a great believer in an insurance scheme, but it would have to be such a scheme as was in operation at Chester or Warrington or other towns, where farmers and butchers paid a small sum per head to cover the risks. The Crewe butchers said they would not contribute, and if that were so he was afraid it put the farmers in a serious position. But he was convinced the farmers would be wise to enter- tain some such scheme as Chester or Warring- ton. The two should have funds, and they should have acted together long' ago. Mr. Sadler had warned them against acting in a panic, but they could not act in a panic eo absurd as did the conference at Wellington, which gave pledges it was impossible to carry oat. He was rather afraid that if the suggestion of Mr. Buckley were carried out a good many farmers would warrant their cittic, and after they had got £1 more per head others would fol- low suit. He could not agree that the farmers shoud pay all the shot. It should be equally divided. Joint insurance was the best thing to get over the difficulty pending the far-off time that they would get compensation from the Government. Mr. Buckley: Whatever the Chamber may or may not do, the scheme will be taken up by some of the auctioneers. As there was a good deal of opposition to the motion, it was withdrawn. Mr. Sadler remarked that they should allow the butchers' arrangements to have a trial, and see what support it got from the farmers. Mr. McCracken urged that the arrangement was an unfair one. Mr. Proudlove suggested that the farmers butchers and auctioneers shou]d each contribute one-third of the fund. CONFERENCE PROPOSED. After further conversation, the following motion was drawn up, submitted to the meeting. and carried That this Chamber expresses its willingness to meet the butchers in conference to en- deavour to arrange some joint echeme of insurance; delegates of the Cheshire Milk Producers' Association also to be invited to the conference.

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