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MR. W. E. FORSTER, M.P., AT…

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MR. W. E. FORSTER, M.P., AT BRADFORD. tUght HOD. W. E. Forster, M»P., met his con- <*tu«nte in St. George's-hall, Bl-adford, on Friday evening. The large room was well filled, and the chair w»e occupied by Mr* Henry Brown, J.E\, who in in- budu the right hon. gentleman, congratulated him especially upon the passing of the Ballot BilL on t-isltig, was enthusiastically received, ^d "hat 14 a l°nS time since he had appeared before MS, ltIS,ttents' bnt the reason of this Was that he had been in ^ard worl £ Proceeding to refer to the work which devolved upon hirn In Parliament, he Baid a pood many ns had thought the Ballot was a foregoes conclusion, and »at it would be passed through Parliament very easily. In i «nokyeaL before last be was not sure that he had not some ch notion himself, otherwise he doubted whether he should aVe relieved the Some Secretary from the charge of it, Ilt U those their notions they were quickiy undeceived. Ik • 5 "efore ?a6t they ta^ seventy-three divisions upon •H>u 5 -oo!t twenty-aevtn days iu the House of Commons, hltfi '6ar flflj'-ei.sht divisions; there were seventeen hop- ^-»-aD<* t^ey wtre s'tti £ iE3 «>f eight, ten, and twelve 4- The Ballot was a very important change in one of •ne most, perhaj« the most, important matttrs that Parlia- ment could hate to have to do with—the constitution of the °f ComtnoDS, and the mode in which representatives werB-tO be chosen. There was every ground why there should be much discussion of every portion of the bill. The principle of secret voting was new to the House of Commons, the adoption of the jrlnniple required an alteration in tne mode of voting, &nd 111 the mode of recording the votes and ascertaining how they had been given, which involved innumerable questions of detail, Upon which it was quite legitimat-- that men should hold quite different opinions, measure also brought with it the consideration of other fliiestions, such 118 nominations ,and he did not think any- Jjooy regretted they had gone—fhear, hear)—the hours of Polling, the number of polling-places, &c. Therefore he did bot complain of the length of the discussion. Then, as to the how does the Ballot work ? He would say that, in ■P'te of what had happened at Preston, he was satisfied with w>a working of the bill. In the first place, he found that rdlere were comparatively few questions from returning officers as to the mode of working the bill With two im- portant exceptions, the bill was passed almost entirely as he Was empowered to bring it forward, and those two were im- portant exceptions, though they were not vital. He con- sidered that the business of a Minister entrusted with such f tn r wus'511 the flr*t P'ace, to master the provisions of the iii" 80 88 he able to make up bis own mind and advise his colleagues as to what were the vital parts and provisions Which could not be given up without making it useless. It was found necessary to concede some portions, and he was do so, because many of them were merely changes In form and expression. He was glad to make two con- cessions; first, the admission of a possible scrutiny, which Waa a part of the bill brought in two years before which had £ assented to by Mr. Bright, an old friend of the j»Uot. (Cheers.) The second was the proviilon for the 11- voter. What he had attempted to do was to retain ftnf con»idered to L e vital. There were three things in the which he did consider vital, and for these theyauccess- JUlrt.-conteBded. First, he insisted that the whole process of voting should be taken in the polling station. Second, that U should fce illegal for the voter to prove how he voted. To Pin this they resisted the proposal to allow the voter to use *ny but the official paper, guarding against the American Practice, which almost nullified the Ballot, of veting papers B*uig given by the candidate, and the French practice of allowing- him to get the official paper before going into the • They also successfully resisted the amendment which away the penalties against agents or other persons Present In the booth who should disclose how a man voted; and lastly, they successfully resisted the amendment which would have made it an optional Ballot. (Applause.) He beitmi that the provision made to guard this would Blake it almost an Impossibility for this danger to operate Against the principle of the bilL "The other concession yasone which he granted more reluctantly, and that waa the special provision for the illiterate voter. He believed the bill. as brought in, sufficiently provided for them. Many Members representing large constituences feared that public opinion would be that an attempt was being made to dis- franchise a portion of the working classes, and the Govern- ment was obliged to accept the provision. He was not uneasy about it, because, if it were found to operate against the principle of-the bill, the matter would be reconsidered, and they would be placed in the position which the first state o! the bill provided for. They also resisted that which would havfc made the Ballot useless—via, making it optional. He had been told that the Ballot would make fewer people vote. jjretton was quoted as a proof of this but it was no proof. The Standard, a Tory organ, attributed the fewness of the Voters to the Ballot; but the successful candidate, as re- portedly the same paper, attributed it to the fact that there Were fewer persons on the register. Many would not vote 11011' who voted before they voted formerly because others "feed them. They wtre then representing those persons' opinions, and not their own: and as such voting was not-wanted, the absence of their vote would be a benefit. Xh« agents at Preston had boasted that they had de- feated the principal objects of the bill—the preventing S* the progress of the poll being known, and the making it impossible to know how persons voted. He allowed a good gum had been made as to how the voting was going ?n! hut he hoped ho one would be led away by what had nappened at Preston, to demand from Parliament any enactmeut to prevent a man from showing how he voted. What must be demanded was, that there Should be no proof slowed of how a man voted. There was no attempt made tot Preston to get such a proof. He did not think such a good guess woald be made again. He believed the opinion of both parties in the conntry would be against such an active organisation to defeat the object of Parliament. Bath parties in the House, before the bill was pasbed. had declared that Jhey thought it would he a good thing that the progress of the poll should not be known, and he believed the Conserva- tives would in future discourage the obtaining of a know- ledge which the House of Commons so unanimously con- sidered it so undesirable to have. Passing on to consider the Treaty of Washington, he said hti had felt more interested in it than in any other political Question whatever. He welcomed the willingness of America to arbitrate upon all questions in dispute, and ellpe. CJally upon the Alabama Claims. Ho cluog to the ireaty in all its difficulties when it seemed almost hopeless to cling to it, and was determined to do so as long as there Was a plank left in the thip. He fejolced mere than he did •tany public measure at the completion of the Treaty, and J? he was to quit political life to-morrow he would feel lib not altogether worthless if he had been able to assist uis colleagues in the conduct of that negotiation, lie fe- Joiced so strongly because it was his desire there should be hut a cordial friendly feeling between Eng- anil America. He looked upon the possibility of a war the two countries as he would look upon the possi- bility of a civil war in England. It would be a civil war. He did not say there was any danger of immediate war, but there were difficult qusstions, such as the fisheries, which ™J8ht lead to a naval officer, as he thought, vindicating W of his country, plunging the two nations into if not 11140 actual war. lteferdng to the settle- to the e t *HM?T ,e government bad, he said, been found fault wmJ peopfo aad especially the taxpay ers, but what^ld they get fer their money ? First, got what SI* A. Cbckburn said they did m the conclttd- PWagrsph of his published objections—fraternity be- *j*een ttrtdral nations. Secondly, they got a far better code nteroatlonai Lsw between the two greatest maritime t tlatiØDI in the world. Many people thoUgiH they had no « *8™ to these rules. The tight hon. gentleman then ^plained what the three rules upon which the treaty was r 5* 6 were- There wa*. he contended, still a good deal Pjwlscoiscepttoii-about then. He trusted they would and more endeavour to prevent a man making money °f the quarrels between one nation and another war, heat,) Another reason why he should be glad those 5^™* w»re inserted in the treaty was that they werfe greatly interest if we were again driven to War. The rules were more to the interests of England than against them, and they would find shipowners generally of that opttdoa But not merely did he rfcjoice upon the completion oi thla treaty because he believed it brought in a code of law ™ore to the interest of Englat d, or because it gave a chance ]»§!?» between England and America, but because ST.* 'J Was good for the world, and upon the ground all our faults, we bad a great deal to do in the fnilljk. woild woul I suffer greatly if they Were not on "Jwljr terms to help one another In that Work. They knew was the energy and endurance of the Anglo-Saxon race "Ore or en the other side of the water. In introducing the labour question, Mr. Forster said that land had done more than any other nation to ameliorate, ■jot only the social* but at the same time the moral con- ~~on of the people. They had done more to conouet the SJ™1 elements of earth, fire, and water than ethsr people rjWishmen sympathized more, too, with those who wished 2? their condition! and When he thought of the wav ^J^ch reforms in thta country had been conducted—not u 5Tn A^eI?ca' Solutions, when she wished to *?otont the principal of slavery—he did not wonder that orsanen of ell clatses were everywhere agitating lor an in- ~J<»Me of wages and a decrease in the hours of work. These K'ysuons, were brought before us on a greater scale than Zl°re^ other nations, because we produced more than im_ MI formerly, ^and there Were more labourers, profits made, and he was convinced that there Mot jnpre bitterness between classes, t>ut less; ainiw^18 v hatred ft# formerly, but less and a better under- between master and man, more sympathy between oowSL8? *"?, employed. (Hear, hear.) There Was no In which profits had been so largo as in this for the aTtS "°.or three years. There were many labourers who wSlrS womd never get on lu Emgiand till we put our condition to get as high wages, compared bplil J hours of labour, as the French and German. But he eitw « that yages w^re higher in this country than in to the other*, compared with the hours the men had .wont and there was no country iu the world In which the •"WW of labour were so short. (Hew, hear) tlat bought him to another^uestion, closely allied to t,' 01 which he had just spoken—the Nine Hours Bill i an old ten hours man himself, it was the first ques- IryiS, took a Pnhlic part. There were two points chuT whieh'the measure might be regarded—first, as a politl- ana then as an employer of labour. In the latter be was in favour of a Nine Hours Bill. (Loud cheers.) *2»we employers of labour would agree to it, the labourers have to prove that it was a risk that the former could Vnpir 0 with safety, so that the difference between the in ten hours and tho work done in nine hours h^T\ SJJ* interfere with their legitimate profits. (Hear, £ £ £ •} hey had as good a man as they could have in Mr. eUa, but he thought that before they oould ask that hori^. "houid pais they would also have to show that ten jt fWM injurious to the health of the factory hands; and were done, and the hours in which men worked were wwiced to nine, it would he a difficult thing to get ihtir daughters to work longer. [(Hear, hear, and 1111 th0 "gricultural district, it mus to farmers were not in so good a position «tar5n^r eir iabo1irers an advance of wages as some otOtr ttuii 8.nd although wages were lower in the agricul- iistricta than in the manufacturing ones, a farmer had Ir'J^jraater losses to sustain than others. There was class, the landlords, connected with this matter, drpn«v!?[teducation and position, and generally being lu easy were able, and he trusted would, mediate be- diffniiJ?0 P"ties» and assist them in the settlement of their a w ^nces. Some of them were doing it at this moment in laSSLTu °? ?M8ht to excile the admiration < f all by recog- which the ownership of land pressed upon Ko.' He Uiought it would be cne of their first duties iu lan/»!S??? to take away the obstacles which prevented some £ ^Jorag doing their duty by amendment of the Land to the Education Bill, he said there was one part attend-W c&r rejoiced, the principle of compulsory -"wenaaBc*. Mr. Forster next referred in terms of pleasantry n»a»iner in which he had been found fault with by oi his friends, seme of whom thought that on the ques- 1ntni„i ectaoati°n there had been a tendency to favour the Buif. ot. Church, while others held a contrary opinion, to » Posing that Act, and in administering it, was secure for every child in the country the greatest amount ■•i "^ular education which he could obtain in the time i could be induced to send them to school, upen the On« IP °' Perfect impartiality, not merely as between Whr» denomination and another, but as between thofe Wished that religious education should be given to their anA the same time and place as secular education, it ?v6 wh° did not wish that they should administer it. fc their fate to be expected to do two things, which it tom? always easy to do at the same time. The first was W«f vVier? flrmly: the second to defer to public opinion. It -j^anis belief the first was absolutely necessary, aBd that a v5ent ceased to be worth anything when it was not Jth regard to public opinion, it was the duty of jwose m power to attempt to understand it, and to defer to "touch as they could In detail, but never to defer to It well they were convinced those principles ere right. dnt/161 .Eome remarks as to the onerous character of the folJi office, Forster said he had represented Brad- W,611 year*- and he had been a politician in the town ninTf i"- 8 years; therefore he believed the constituency ttitr. ow hlm> 1111(1 he 11180 thought he knew the con- E?AV A kind Conservative friend had said official do?*„ '^pged him (Mr. Forster), but it was one thing do»?L8 Sr and another asking that it should be looVV would ask that gentleman and all present to Wonu hls PUjHc expressions of opinion, and they ,*ee there had been no substantial difference be- v^een his sentimente at one time and another. As a fact, he Jot yet had to change bis opinion upon any political ^eetion 0f importance; and when he did feel it his duty to ^"Mge, he would inform his constituents before he told any • ,Mr- Forster conoluded his tpeeeh, which occupied j»onr and a half, by saying that so long as he had cm»«j ""J strength he would continue a politican, for he considered it one {of the noblest pursuit* oi thla cojwUtu- tional country; and It would be for them to consider whether he should continue to do so on their behalf and as their tnember. (Applause.) The hon. gentleman having resumed his seat, several ques- tions were put and answered, and a vote of thanks and con- ddente in him was unanimously passed.

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