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---__------Is Socialism Sound?

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Is Socialism Sound? Great Debate at Tony- pandy. Speaker Heckled. An interesting debate took place on 1'uesday evening last at the Hippodrome, Tonypandy, on the great question: "Is Socialism Sound r The speaker for the affirmative was Mr. J. P. Lloyd, S.D.F., anu for the negative Mr. JUL. Weston, JNi.U.C. A very large audience assemoied, consisting mostly of the male sex, to whom Socialism meant everything or nothing. in the absence of Mr. Tom Evans (Peny- graig), who was indisposed, Mr. Gwilym 40wiands (Penygraig) occupied the chair, supported by several influential ladies and gentlemen. Mi*. H. Weston, N.U.C., for the nega- tive, said if the Socialists wished to estab- lish Paradise, he was with them; if they desired to ameliorate the lot of the poor, it was a grand idea. Dealing with the employment of children, he said there Was no Act of Parliament to compel little children to work; there was no Act to enact that, but it was the father in his greed for gold. (Cries of No, no," and Jfoverty "). Continuing, the speaker said the State did not compel children to wor.iv, and the father was not fit to receive the benefits of Paradise. (Disturb- ance at the back of the hall). He asked them to turn this over in their minds when they transferred their collieries from the mine-owners to the State; were they going to alter these conditions of life in the coal-mines ? If their employer be State in place of, say, the Naval Colliery Company, would it lessen the amount of gas in the mines? (Cries of No "). There Would still be the danger of overwinding. Before Socialism can be called sound," said Mr. Weston, you have got to change the fathers of the children; you have to change the men who take matches into the mines and the men who smoke in the mines (laughter). Oh, yes," continued the speaker, there was only a case last week at Mardv." (Cries of No, no," and It was not proved "). Before their Paradise could come, they would have to change their men. ''What do I see in this country?" asked Mr. Weston. Protection of labouring men by his Labour members of Parliament? Do you find that? I say No! N! No! (Loud cries of "Yes," "Yes"). I never make an assertion that I am not prepared to prove," said the speaker. (Cries of Get on Socialism "). The speaker then dealt with John Jones," the grocer who compelled his tenants to trade at his shop. Because Socialism," he said, is the order of the day, are you going to alter the character of 'John Jones'? If you think so, Socialism is going to work a miracle; because John Jones is still going to seek his own advantage at the public good. If Socialism ever comes, it will not be by the agitation of the Socialist. It will be by evolution, and when the day comes, then Socialism will be; but it will not be until long after you and I have turned up our toes (applause). Mr. J. P. Lloyd, for the affirmative, responded. He said Socialism was the theory of evolution, and Socialist con- ditions were all around them. His oppo- nent had said Thou shalt not steal," and that was just what he was going to say to him. Socialism was the revolutionary angel that came into the capitalist camp and said, Thou shalt not steal." His opponent said, Would the danger in the mines be lessened? I say Yes,' said Mr. Lloyd, vehemently. There has not been a single accident yet in which the mine- ownera have not tried to throw the blame on the poor men they have killed (pro- longed cheers). In regard to matches and pipes, Mr. Lloyd said a pit would have to be a veritable inferno before a lighted pipe would cause an explosion. (A Voice: "We are not children, Mr. Lloyd "). "I didn't think you were, or I should not have been here to reply," returned the speaker. Two-thirds of the skilled labourers of this country were walking the streets. Whose fault was it then that the children were working? (Applause). Working men were not always good to themselves, but they were always very good to the other class. Bad labour habits were due to the bad economic conditions under which they worked. Why were women employed ? Because female labour was cheaper; and if there were no Socialism, they would have women work- mg at the pit bottom to-day (cheers). If they took the manufacture of commodities out of the hands of private individuals, they could stop this (applause). Mr. Weston again spoke. He told his hearers a story of a poor man he had befriended, and of how that man had i abused his friendship. "Will Socialism alter that man?" said Mr. Weston. (Shouts and general disturbance). Brains count above labour." (A Voice: Rot "). Without brains, you will find yourselves hopeless and incompetent to find your Way." Mr. Lloyd then spoke. He said it was the man with a large income who stole 9d. per ton royalty; and these men were in a large number in England (applause). Mr. Clifford (Gloucester) proposed a vote of thanks to the speakers, which was seconded by Mr. Chivers (Penygraig). The proceeds of the meeting were in aid of the Porth Cottage Hospital.

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