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CENSURE? i——• ——— CARDIFF HEALTH OFFICIALS i Lively Discussion MOTION TO SUSPEND WITHDRAWN "It is our motion to finish the inquiry -de.y," was the announcement of Dr. Smith taPon taking the ohair at the adjourned meet- hi. of the Cardiff Health Committee on Mon- 'day. The committee sat for over two fcoure, and after fully discussing their report Df the inquiry into the conduct of seamen 9 foo&rding-houses, so far as it had gone, they decided to recommend the city council to fcensure the medical officer of health (Dr. I Walford) and Chief-inspector Warren for 'their indifferent administration of the bye- laws, and to reduce the inspector of lodging- donees (Inspector Holden) to the position of nuisance inspector. There was a full attend- ance of members and Head-constable -^icKenzie was present. jtfr. Chappell said that neither Dr. Wal- ^>r"d. Inspector Warren, nor Inspector Holden *'?d eatisned the committee. Language could not be found too strong to define the irregularities carried on in a most disgrace- ful way, a.nd the neglect in acquainting the committee of these irregularities. They Committee of these irregularities. They could mot do other—he could not-thi.-n vote for resolution of condemnation of the officials connected with it frwm the top to the bot- ?m. He did not know that they should &?ow Holden to hold the position of inspector ? lodging-hou?ee. At this sta? the Chairman announced ? ?? ???- 'lohm Thomas and the Rev. t m 6rtius Phillips (of the CitiMns' Ul1l:m) vere outside, and were desirous of being  The committee Mt that it W'Od 4W+ ? pro?r to allow thM, in ?iew of? fa,ct  no I.. wa.s allowed t?? .£ent th eo IOltor wa.s a ow d:d ?t those <?n?m<.d, and the committee di -lot dc??ire to ? prejudiced one way or ?'motth her by outside expre?ions of ,pinlon. J a°ting clerk (Mr. Corni?) having gone  of the e?ommittee.r?om to inform the rreev v. ?tl?en of this dèdsion, he returned to state that they ??. demred to be allowed to SIt and listen to the discussion. JTt ?ae u?ntmouely decided nm to grat .?is ermission, it being thought tha^ ?uld be a dM?roUs precent tc??? ?Public to aMend comm1Hee ^eetinge. ?b?y c?td. it wa? pointed out, atteindMie ?uncii m?tin? a?d be he&rd afterwards if the committM'a report on the ?m?atter f?wa? fiot satisfactory to them- Contin'uin.g his speech, Mr. Chappell said he trould not like anybody to be allowed to oome between them and their employes. The whole town was looking down upon them, and they had to deal with the matter as they found it. He moved:- That this committee regret to find, after making diligent inquiries, that the lodging- house bye-laws have not been administered properly, and, therefore, that we hold the officials of this department to blame; and farther, that Inspector Holden cease to hold the position of lodging-house inspector forthwith. Mr. W. Jenkins seconded, remarking that It was patent as moonshine that there had been some dreadful miscarriage of administration. Mr. Nicholl: I will go a good deal further and be more drastic than that if nobody elee does shortly. I will move the suspension of Dr Walford and all the assistants. Mr. Stanfield: I might second that, if you like, after they are heard in their own flsfence. But they should be heard first. ? INSPECTORS DEFENCE. c- inspector cowen was tnen canea Ini ana apok-è at lemgtR in reference to the charges made against him. He eadd he had been inspector for sixteen years, and had 157 licensed houses to look after. He had been doing two men's work. He had not touched strong drink for a year. The licences included those of 31 Common lodging-houses, and he had to attend at the office to get papers ready for the medical officer. He had the Passenger book to look after. He had been out three or four nights a week, and had 'been at it Sunday morning and Sunday night ln ordet to get his work done. He had no time off. He had to be on the Moors, in Gmngetown, the Docks, and Canton, and he tad been ttp, all night working until two o lk, and then had to be at the office by Iline in the momihg. The houses !Were scattered, and he had to work early and I&te. He had had to attend to sickiess In the lodging-houses and get &%sea removed to the workhouse infirmary. Periodically he was eQgra-ged in night inspection, visiting twenty to twenty-four houwe a night. He had served 195 notices, and saw that 184 bad been complied with. He had been out with Mr. G. R. Sims (who conducted a series of Investigations into lodging-house life for the "Western Mail") several days and nighte, and he had gone round with Mr. Montagu Fraser, of the Standard." The laitter had complimented him on the state of the houses, which, he said, were a treat to see. He had k> dea.l with people of all nationalities, and iiad to put up with special trouble from the Chinese They told hiih he waited to keep them off the books, and instead of keeping boarding-housee they (the Chinese; were now keeping laundfies in diffetent parts of tbe city. There were over twenty of them to his knowledge. With regaj-d to the thirty-three houses -which had been mentioned, he bad accounted for each and every one to the medical officer. With regafd to the immo- rality prevalent in these houses, his late i cbief-inspector knew about them. He had complained to him, and he (the late chief- inspector) said it was a niattorifor the police.; fnd nothing to do with him (Holden).. Alderman-Oarey, referring to the late Chief- 'nepeetor Vaughan: We do not want to hear Anything about a dead man.' I BE A MAN." „ I  'I Mr. Chappell: Be a man, Holden. Detena Yourself like a man. and say what you want say. "I m?y teH you hont1y." Mcl?Æe? a?den. with much emotion. that I don't ?k;Ih?e not neglected my work through ?Qk; I have a terrible lot of ctenca,?l work. ? ? ha,fe tided ?0 educate. ? Chinese, who ?e given me a lot of trouble; ?I ?h?e every "??naJity under my care." Pr'ed by Atd?rm? O?y as to Wha,,t liio flice wotk averaged, Holden ?id an hour ?ay v .-01"- Walford: He ha? a clerk to do t?? .tor "m no?. Lat I e y. LatelY Alderman Carey: There you are! Mr. Cha-ppell: What does the clerk iu th Dffioe do for you? Holden: He' does nothing for me Mr. Stanfield: Why don't you say .so, then.. 1 are on your trial. You don't speak out for yourself. How can you expect other people to r-peak for vou if you do not speak for yourself? Dom thf man put on to assist you help you? Holden: He has done, about twice. Mr. Stan field: Is it possible to do your work properly in the hours that a man 18 ordinarily expected to work? Holden: No. If I have twenty prosec'UMQotlS i 2at means twenty of my working days cut out. Mr. Chappell: t do not want to upset yon tn your statement, but floe3 ahyont> assist fon in your lodging-house inspection? Holden: No. I have done the whole of it glys-elf. C-ofvtHitting, Holden eaid he could honcgtly 'ay that often he did not know where to go !irt, he had so many complaints of stifckiiefes. "here was hardly a day he had not reported j a ease of sickness to the medical officer. 'b At thifc stage Holden nearly broke down. spoke somewhat huskily. Alderma,ii Ken wick: His defence is that he af; done the work of two men, and has been Qrtiablc to carry Out hit duties. Holden said the medical officer knew Oil the 1\'ark he had done. lqr. Stanfield: And of the work yoru have done ? Holdeh: No. I was not cognisant of it my- lelf. I OR. WALFORD CATECHISED. Sir William Crosemah: That brings yrni hto the matter, Dr. Wajford, as to whether Vt* should not have known something from You D. .c. PotDts? %• Walford: Well what are these points? Wm. CroeMnan: pomts? Do?'t you hil1k there are any j>oints? Dr. Walford: I should like to know them Mie by one. Mr. Ohapp-ell: If the doctor wants a little cat-pchism, I will ask hint why Bye-law II. .011.<; not been put into operation. Dr. WaJford: There are c-aees where lodg- 5n?-houpes have not been carried on in a. proper way. The Chinese houses have not carried out the bye-laws oOmpJetedy. These have been pointed out to the committee, •"olden pointed them out. MT. Mor £ an Thomas: How is it that Coun- i cillor Nicholl brings out these irregularities and not yon "self ? 1)r. Waltord: Myself? My duty is confined I() e advice as to the bye-laws, and it is e duty of the inspector to report irregulari- dlm to me. I have found out irregularities ,,1. Uir>s and eeen them put rig-ht. It is quite 1 poæible that there a?e some housm which I } have never visited. I NOT VISITED FOR FOURTEEN YE AILS." I Mr. Chappell: Are there not some nouses which have not been visited in fourteen years. Dr. Walford: That is quite possible. Sir W. Grossman: The Ma,ria-street house was unlicensed for five years, and yet was oarried on as though licensed. Do you say you never went there? Dr. Walford: No; only within the last fort- night. I never knew it was not an un- licensed boarding-houee. The inspector never reported it to me. Sir William Crossman The inspector knew it while you did not know. Councillor Stanfield said at the last meeting Dr. Walford admitted Holden had reported to him that there were a number of houses talking in lodgers without being licensed. If that were so, how oould Holden be bla.med for any irregularity in that respect. Why did Dr. Walford sit t-hero and allow the inspector to be blamed? Let him ta.ke tha-t portion of the charges off the inspector's back. Dr. Wa.lford: I have told you Holden is not in the least to be blamed for these 45 houses being unlicensed. Mr. Stanfield: That is manly of you, doctor. You are the responsible party, and if Chief-inspector Warren reported these things to you you ^are the only one to give authority for prooeedings to be taken. If the bye-laws had been carried out, would all this have taken plece? "Alderman Renwick. That's the point- Dr. Walford: No, it would not. If the bye- laws were carried out, some of these condi- tions would not have obtained. The chief- inspector is re.spon:sible for the carrying out of this. Mr. StanneIA: You are talking about a dead man. ) Dr. Walford: Wa.rren is chief inspect.or. Mr. Stanfield: This has been going on for I years. Who is the chief officer? I Dr. Walford: Warren, so far as the bye- laws are concerned. I "YOU ARE THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY." Mr. Chappell: It is no good going off like that. Do you receive reports from _y?our inspectors? Dr Walford- No. 5r Xanfilld: ? have said Warren c<mM not take proceeding without your authority. What on earth have you hl?med Warren to?? You are the re?pc?ib? party. You I are the only one, to act. Dr Walford: I have no authority to pro- teed. I Mr. stanfield asked if he understood this -answer correctly. Dr. Walford: I have nothing to do with the police-court proceedings. I Mr. Sta.nfield: You have nothi,ng to do I with anything. Warren said in your presence that he had no authority V> summon any- one without your instructions. I Mr. Chappell: As head of the depart- i ment, we hold you responsible for the administration of all things. We have advanced your salary time after time in view of extra work a.nd responsibilities, and here we now find that there are certain things you know nothing at all about. Are the inspectors Mr. Morgan Thomas. Are the ifnapectOTS under you? Dr. Walford. Not under me. The chief- inspector reports to me. Dr. Robinson (who relieved Dr, Smith in the chair at this stage) said Warren had told them that he only went down when Holden asked him. I ENTER CHIEF INSPECTOR. Chief-inspector Warren was then called into the room. The Ghairma.n: Have you anything you would like to say why the bye-laws have not been rigidly enforced? Warren: I have not received any instruc- tions to see that they are enforced, to start with. Alderman Carey: What are your duties, W a r ren ? W&rren: To look a.fter the men and the district.. I have six district inspectors to look after, and, with the Food and Drugs Act, nine men altogether. Mr. Stanfield; In a certain case where you served notice on somebody, did you report that ? Wa.rren: No, I did not. Replying to Alderman Carey, Warren said he was previously an assistant inspector He had never been called upon to examine the lodging-house-S. Mr. Ohapipell asked Dr. WaJford if he ever gave instructions to Warren to receive report.s from the inspectors. Dr. Wfelford: Of course. Mr. Chappell: Has he had instructions? Dr. Walford •. Yes, to receive reports from the inspectors and"t-o check their work minutely. Mr. Ohappell: Do you feel satisfied, now that he says he has received no reports, th7at the bye-laws have been enforced? Dr. Walford: He hoe received many reports. Warren: Yes, as to overcrowding. Mr. Nicholl: Have you instructed yitrar subordinates to initial registers? Wa.rren: No. Mr. Nicholl: You don't know that Holden only initialled a register three times in twelve months? Warren: No. Mr. Nicholl t You gave us the impression last time that you went dow'n once a fort- night? Warren I think you will And on reterenee to the evidence I said I did not go. The Chairman: You went round wliem Holden asked you to go ? Warren: Yee. Mr. Stanfield: It was your place to assist Holden ? W wrrOD Yec, wheal required, Mr. Stta-nfield: Has be required it? Warren: Yes. NO INSTRUCTIONS." I Mr. Stanfield: You never had instructions from the doctor as to your dtftdes in refer- ence to the bye-lawe? Warren No. Mr. Stanfield: I ask Dr. Watford if he saw Warren's and Holden's reporte, and if he could have seen tbenn if he wanted to? Dr. Walford: I have seen them from time to time. Mr. Nicholl asked the doctor aa to the fresh registers which had been supplied to the board in g-housee. Dr. Wail ford: On going tthrough several of tbem I found it difficult to make out some of t.he namee amd dates. Mr. Nicholl said the register he referred to was most iaxtelligeaitly kept. Why did they write it up agajn right to 1905? THE UNLICENSED HOUSES. I 'Dr. Walford: I did not know that was done. Dr. Walford further stated that the 33 houses the police reported as unlicensed were obtained from a list supplied by the health department to the police. The practice was when an application was received to send the name of the applicant to the police for them to repott. If satisfactory the licence was granted. Often delay was caitfed, how- ever, by sanitary and structural alterations having to be carried out. In the meantime people had been allowed to take in lodgere. The magistrates would not convict for an infringement unless people had been warned b/ the department that they must apply for it licence before taking.in boarders. During the year seventeen Convictions had been obtained agaihst people who had not taken out licences after being warned. The late chief inspector had charge of this work, and that was the method he had always adopted. Mr. Morgan Thomas asked Dr. Walford why it was he had not given instructions to Warren regarding lodging-houses at the time of his promotion to the chief inspectorship. « NOT GOING TO BE BLAJFFED." I Dr. Walford shook his bead and smiled át Mr. Thomas. MT. Thomas (heatedly): I object to the aneefina attitude of t doctor. I am not o-oirig to be bluffed by Dr. Walford or any- Knd V €?e I am not going to stand his rg I a? Warren what were his inskruo ?'"? by Dr. Walford upon his appointment? ?rren He a?d me to look Aft?r the staff and carry out everything as it should be done. fr. Thoma.s: Including the bye-laws? Warren: 1 expect so. < Alderman EenWiCk: Did you ever study the bye-laws? Did you know they were in existence? Warrm: Yes. Mfar ?oma?:' D?d YOU report t?t to Dr. Walford? ?a?en. No; I did not know that they were not being carried out. ?. ?hom?= Did Holden .eport any i nf ri ngemeats ? Warren: No. I [ SUSPENSION MOVED. I Dr. Walford and the inspectors were then I asked to retire, and Mr. Chappell said he bad been inflaenced by the discrassxon and the additional eviidence hesrd to somewhat I alter his mind. He, therefore, framed his motion to read: Dr. Walford and Inspectors Warren and Holden are alone to blame, and Are advise the suspension of all the said officials until I the next meeting of the council. Mr. W..Tenkins concurred with the alteration and seconded the amended motion. Dr. Smith: What will happen to the depart- ment if the two chief officials are suspended ? Mr. Chappell: Oall another special meeting at the earliest possible moment. Mr. Nicholl: Transfer it to the police pro tfctn- They will very soon placer it in order. Alderman Carey: Dr. Walford is not oar servant alone. The Government Board will have something to say about it. The Chairman: There would be an inquiry by the Local Government Board. ) I -TOO DRASTIC." I Aia?HM'n Oa.rey said he would not move I a,n??B<Lm?t, but t?y oould v? for or arSgainst the potion. He agreed with Mr. I r??T.t?l's Arsf motion, but the an w.intd '4r ?S dra?. M Dr. W?ford r?d the roughly upon hift subordinates, as everyone else relied upon those under therm. He did not want to make scapegoats of Warren and Holden to shield Dr. Walford, but the motion was altogether too draatic. Mr. Chappell: We shall have a Board of Trade inquiry. Sir William Croesma-n said he could not' but support the motion. He felt more strongly after that day's meeting than before that Dr. Walford should be seriously bla-med and censured. The Chairman: But the motion does mom than censure him. It suspends him. Mr. Nicholl: Suspension does not mean dismissal Alderman Oarey: But you are branding a professional man. The stigma will go out if they are suspended. In the spirit of charity, he is a professional man. At the strong- request of Alderman Carey and Mr. Stanfield, Mr, Ohappell agadn amended his motion, so as to read:- That this committee, having made dili- gent inquiries, regret to find that the boa.rd- iuig-houee bye-laws have not been adminis- tered as they should be, a.nd that we recommend the council to censure the medi. oal officer of health and the chief-inspector for the indifferent admin-istration of the bye-laws; and that Inspector Holden be transferred to one of the district, inspecor- ships forthwith. This motion was seconded by Alderman Renwiok, and ( Alderman Carey said anyone could suggest suspension in council Mr. Davis: I do not see why we should saddle all the blame on Holden. The Chairman interrupted Mr. Davie as he was proceeding, saying he was out ot order. Mr. Davis (indignantly): Why do you not allow me to Bpeak? It is twelve months before I can get any information here. The Chairman: What you were about to refer to has nothing to do with this. Mr. Davis: Why blame one man? Dr. Smith: It is not fair to say that all the blame reets on one man. It rests equally on all three. Mr. Nioholl: Holden is treated remarkably well. The motion was carried unanimously, and on the proposition of Mr. St.anfield it was reeolved that Inspector Evans should be appointed to Holden's position. The Head-constable interposed to say that he would always be ready to place thesa.me information before that committee that he did before the watoh committee. ( Hear, hear.) + Dr. WaJford and the two inspectors were called in and informed of the terms of the resolution adopted. A special meeting of the committee will be held shortly to re-organise the whole system of lodging-house inspection.

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