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SECONDARY EDUCATION IN WALES. R IMPORTANT CONFERENCE AT SHREWSBURY. A general conference of the joint education committees of Wales and Monmouthshire was j the Raven Hotel, Shrewsbury, on Friday, under the presidency of Mr H D Acland, Al P., (Carnarvonshire). THE LATE DUKE OF CLARENCE. eoTulolpn,!1*^1" v.D\ at 0llt8et. moved a vote of •fthe D^ofV 16 R°yaI,F;Atuilj upon the death in J- Clarence.— i'he Dean of St Asaph, J u.n ,n"> 8 U(^ that in no part of the Queen's IUIOEU was more general and genuine sympathy expressed than in Wales. J' THE DEPUTATION TO MR. GOSCHEN. The Chairman then gave his report of the visit of the deputation to the Chancellor of the J^cWor. He ^aid that the three main points which they desired to bring under notice were (1) Science and art grants, (2) inspection of chari- ties, and (3) the still more important ques- tion of the .Treasury grant. On the first question they had a fully satisfactory answer. No iZRBl7t ITS U-ndGr th6 lQtermediate Educa- tion Act would interfere with the additional X, "VW" to secondary scioo^s thev had fh ValeS" °Mhe other two points ™ /,ad reply in the correspondence which would be submitted to the conference that day. CONTINENTAL ADVICE. Principal Reiehel introduced a report, previously « for"JuIate? bJ the manual instruction committee, and read an interesting letter from Herr S ilomon, the head of the great Slojd, in Sweden, giving information as to the mode of teaching adopted on the Continent, and laying stress upon the advisability of having only small classes, twenty pupils being, in his opinion, as many as could be effieiently taught at one time, and sixteen being a high average for some teachers. The secretaries were asked to forward to Herr Salomon a letter of thanks for his instructive letter, the contents of which will be published by the conference in due course. FEMALE TEACHERS. Mr A C Humphreys-Owen presented the re- port of the committee on teaching by women, in which a store of information bad been put together, gathered from leading educationists in Scotland and America. It wae stated that in America, for instance, 65 per cent of tho teachers were women, and that, except occupying the post of principal in institutions where half the students were men, the writer knew of no position which a woman could not occupy without surprise or remark. It was pointed out in some of the com- munications that, whereas in the teaching of the youngest students women were more successful than men, they did not hold their own as teachers of the more advanced classes. It was decided to print the report, and, on the motion of Dean Owen, seconded by Mr E Grove, a vote of thanks was accorded Mr Humphreys- Owen for the trouble be had taken in the matter LETTERS OF APOLOGY. The Secretary (Mr R A Jones) said that he had received letters of apology for absence from Mr BosanqHet, Mr Gwilym Evans (Llanelly), Mr E P Jones, the Rev W Thomas, the Rev Daniel Rowlands and others. PENSIONS FOR TEACHERS. The Chairman, in introducing the report of the select committee on the registration of teachers, •aid that at the initiation of the movement it behoved them to see that they were not placed in the difficulty in which most nchool boards and managers of voluntary schools found them- selves when their teachers were getting old, and no provision was made for their old age. Although some of the teachers were becoming incompetent for work those who had the management of the schools did not like to dismiss them, because they knew of the want of provision for old age. If the Government had been wise twenty years ago when the first Act for extending elementary edu- cation was passed, some provision might have been made by which teachers, when past work should be provided for. But Governments were' largely influenced by the Treasury, which was apt to look askance at measures involving expendi- ture, and at this late hour elementary teachers were approaching Parliament and asking what could be done? The question was a most difficult one from the elementary point of view, because it would be difficult to distinguish those who should benefit now. The matter had been before a Select Committee of the House of Com- mons, and they had bad much valuable actuarial information. What was to be done with the existing aged teachers was a most difficult point, but the actuarial information obtained would be trustworthy, and he hoped the central board, when formed, would do all they could to assist every county and local governing body to bring those teachers, as soon as appointed, into a general pension scheme, so that every bead and assistant teacher should be a member of the pension scheme,with a provision for the withdrawal of their membership and contributions on accepting employment outside Wales. The committee had only got halfway through its w-rk. It would probably be re-appointed next sesion, and finish its work about June. Thp report doS to the registration of teachers bad already b^Q circulated. There was a general consensu of opinion that there ought to be some scheme for the registration and for the certifying o-' secondary teachers, so as to give them a siml-'ar position to that already occupied by el-dentary teachers. He was glad to say that te had succeeded in carrying in com- mittee a rcoposal to have only one registration scheme, covering elementary and secondary tea.cb"'s, so as to have no class distinctions (hear hep-J* In reply to Dean Owen, the Chairman said that they might appropriately pass a resolution urging the Government to bring in a Bill on the lines of this report. Replying to Mr T Jones (Newport), the Chairman said that the scheme of pensions was for Wales only, inasmuch as there was no organised system of secondary education in England. ORGANISING SECRETARIES. The Chairman pointed out the necessity for appointing organising secretaries in connection with the secondary education system, and re- marked that, with all due reepect, it was necessary to adhere to the old traditions as to appointing only legal gentlemen. There was a greater need for the appointment of enthusiastic educa- tionalists. Mr T. E. Ellis, M.P., remarked that, up to the present, they in Wales had tried to organise schools for the larger towns in each county. That, he thought, was the best work that could be done in Wales now. In England, however, they had not only tried that, but also to bring technical and evening classes to the villages, with admirable results. As soon as the arrangements for estab- lishing schools in the larger towns in Wales was completed, he thought that they would also settle down to the work of establishing technical and evening classes in their villages (hear, hear.) In order to do Ithat effectually it was of paramount importance that they should have enthusiastic educationa.ists as organising secretaries. Mr J. R. Jacob (Newport) said that in Mon- mouthshire they had already appointed two organising secretaries—one for the agricultural and the other for what was more purely technical teaching. The matter ultimately dropped. THE CENTRAL EDUCATION BOARD. Next came the consideration of the report of the Central Education Board Committee, which had been printed and circulated. The Chairman stated that resolutions of approval of the proposals contained in the report bad been passed by the county councils of Carnar- von, Denbigh, Monmouth, Flint, Montgomery, Radnor, Merioneth, and Pembrokeshire. Gla- morganshire and Cardiff had sent in certain con- Bh0ninfuWilh their approval :—(1) That the offices ""ou"l be in C-rdiff- (laughter) (2) that the pro- to the wo k flr cont.r'kutions should be equivalent their behalf fuiDati?n and insPectiou do,ne hp iu nrntin'i- at their representation should and thit several *cl C°atribfon8 or population expenditure shouli relatlDg lo details of exception of tho om^' With the should, he thought?^Uft\0 tu° £ he offices,* hich formed, the difference be?l ?? "self when those condition* was small.11 the report and The committee was suhae u empowered to confer with Cardiff and Glan!?r-a "h;^powe"d to matters. gansblre upon these The Chairman thou read tho following le*tr-i- which, with the accompanying r^vWd drnfthwi been received from the Chancellor of the Exchequer --1\ .) -4. ¡ .J\' i'" Treasury Chambers, Whitehall, S.W., Jan.13,1892. Dear Mr Acland,—I enclose three copies of the diviffc regulations which we propose to make under the Welsh Intermediate Education Act, in order that you may cinsider them at, your meeting on the 22nd, You will see that we are prepared to entrust the examitiaJion and inspection of schools under the Act to a Welsh Educational Board, subject to review by the department which has the necessnry knowledge find experience; but that the constitution proposed for that body is different from that suggested in the report of the committee of your conference. The views of the conference with regard to the constitution of the proposed body will, of course, receive careful con- sideration. As it appears doubtful whether the county councils have power to contribute to the expenses of an enquiry into parochial charities, we shall be prepared to bring in a Bill or clause for the purpose of giving them such power.—Believe me, yours very truly, GEORGE J. GOSCHEN. REVISED DRAFT. Regulations made by the Lords Commissioners of her Majesty's Treasury under Section 9 of "The Welsh Intermediate Education Act, 1889." 1. The Treasury will pay, subject to the condi- tions hereinafter stated, in aid of each school aided by a county or counties, and subject to a scheme made under the Act, an annual grant equal in amount to the annual contribution in aid of such school payable out of the county rate. The grant for each school shall fall dueon such day as may be from time to time appointed by the Treasury. Note -In cases where a change is made in the date at which the grant falls due, or where there is other sufficient reason, the grant may be made for a period greater or less than a year; and in that case it shall be equal to the contribution payable out of the county rate for such period. 2. The grant will be paid to the persons to whom the County Council contribution is directed by scheme to be paid in pursuance of section 7, sub- section 2 of the Act. 3. The conditions required to be fulfilled by a school in order to obtain an annual grant under the Act are as follows (a) The school must be efficient as regards instruction. (b) The school premises must be healthy, and suitable for the purposes of an intermediate school. (c) The school premises must provide sufficient accommodation for the scholars attending the school. (d) The school must be supplied with suitable furniture and apparatus. (e) The school must be conducted in accordance with the scheme under which it is established. (f) The school must be open at all reasonable times to officers authorised by the Education Department, and any returns or information called for by that Department must be duly furnishe 4. The annual examination and inspection of the school will be conducted bv a Central Educational Board for Wales, constituted by agreement between the Treasury and the Joint Education Committees of Wales and Monmouthshire in the manner here- inafter stated. The results of such examination and inspection will bo reported to the Education Department, and the Education Department, after auch inspection or inquiry as they may think necessary, will report to the Treasury whether the above conditions are satisfied. 5. If the Education Department report to the Treasury that any of these conditions are not satisfied, the grant may be refused or, if the cir- cumstances are not such as to call for the whole grant, it may be reduced. 6. The Central Educational Board for Wales shall be constituted as follows 1 Member appointed by the County Councils of North Wales 1 1 Member appointed by the County Governing Bodies of North Wales 1 2 Members appointed by the County Councils of South Wales and Monmouthshire 2 2 Members appointed by the County Governing Bodies of South Wales and Monmouthshire 2 1 Member appointed by the Council of each University College in Wales 3 1 Member appointed by the Council of Jesus College, Oxford 1 1 Member appointed by the Head-masters and Head-inistresses of schools established by schemes under this Act 1 rm • 11 Itie appointment of these members shall be made in such manner as may be directed by the Charity Commissioners. 7. Any officer authorised in that behalf by the Education Department shall beat liberty to attend any meeting of the Central Education Board, and to take part in the proceedings, but shall not have a right to vote. Certain minor alterations having been made in the committee's recommendations, The Chairman said-It seems to me that the first resolution ought to b3 to express gratification at the willingness of the Treasury to act in harmony with the Central Education Board, with- out going into detail as to how it is to be con- stituted. This he accordingly moved. Mr Humphreys Owen seconded, and it was carried nem. con. INSPECTION BY THE CHARITY COMMISSIONERS. Mr Jacob (Newport) drew attention to the sug- gestion of the Treasury that the inspection of the secondary schools .should be conducted by the Education Department. He thought that the Charity Commissioners would be the best body to undertake the inspection. The Chairman agreed, inasmuch as the Educa- tion Department had not had any experience of the inspection of -secondary schools in England, whereas the Charity Commissioners had, and knew the difficulties of secondary education in Wales. He moved that a resolution, respectfully suggest- ing a modification of the proposal with regard to inspection, so as to substitute the Charity Com- missioners for the Education Department, should be passed. Mr J. R. Jacob, Newport, seconded. The Hon. W. Napier Bruce explained the posi- tion of the Charity Commissioners with referenca to the movement, and, after some remarks in sup- port of the resolution by Mr Humphreys-Owen, Mr J. Herbert Lewis, Mr Ivor James, Mr T. E. Ellis, M.P., and Dean Owen, the resolution was cairied with unanimity. THE QUESTION OF COST. Mr J. Herbert Lewis moved a resolution to the effect that, having regard to the assistance which the Central Educational Board would render to the Treasury in the matter of inspection, the con- ference should respectfully urge the Treasury to bear a portion of the cost. The Chairman suggested that the Treasury should bo asked to make a reasonable contribution towards the expenses. This was agreed to. CONSTITUTION OF THE BOARD. It having been pointed out in the course of dis- cussion that the Treasury proposals provided for a board of eleven members, as against the 69 recom- mended by the committee, Mr J. Herbert Lewis moved that they should adhere to their original proposal. Dean Owen seconded, and remarked that if the eleven wisest men in Wales were selected, the body would still lack the proper character to retain popular confidence. The resolution was carried nem. dis. Mr H. De Winton next moved that the executive committee consist of fifteen members, five to form a quorum. This was seconded by Mr Grove and agreed to. The Chairman proposed that the conference should instruct the committee to draw up draft proposals for a scheme to embody the proposals contained in the report and the resolutions arrived at. On the motion of Dean Owen, it was decided that the committee be empowered to confer with the county committees of Glamorgan and Cardiff with reference to the conditions imposed by them and also with other bodies who might offer objec- tion, if there were any from any other quarter THE WELSH UNIVERSITY. I The Chairman reported that at a meeting held on Thurnday evening of the Central Educational Board and the Welsh University Committee, it was decitied to recommend the election of the four fol- lowing gentlemen to represent the conference on the sub-committee of the Welsh University con- ference:—Mr T. E. Ellis, M. P., Mr J. E. Powell, Mr Ivor James, and Mr Doyle. The recommendation was adopted. RELIGIOUS INSTRUCTION IN BOARDING-HOUSES. Mr R. A. Jones next called attention to the resolutions passed by the General Assembly of vVelsh C^vinistic Methodists and Congregationa- listp" Union and North Wales Wesleyan District Meeting, urging the conference to provide in their schemes that perfect religious equality shall be secured, not only in all intermediate schools, hut in all boarding-houses kept by the masters of the schools or supported out of public funds He moved TI)at this conference is of opinion! bat it is necessary to insert in the schemes under the Welsh Intermediate Education Act clauses to secure at least that no formularies or catechisms i distinctive of any religious denjmination shall be used, or tenets distinctive of any religious denomination taught in the family worship held, or during the general religious teaching (if any) given to children in boarding-houses or hostels which derive assistance from public property or public funds, or which are managed, wholly or in part, by paid school officials." Mr rd. Edwards (Cardiganshire) seconded. Principal Reichel moved the addition of the words-Of Provided that such foi-iii iila- or catechisms may be taught to pupils whose parents express in writing their desire for such instruction." Mr Ll. Edwards remarked that it might lead to Church parents demanding that Church instruc- tion should be given to Church children by Non- conformist masters. Principal Reichel said it was not compulsory- he meant may," not "shall." Mr De Winton moved the "previous question," remarking that there might be separate hostels for the various denominations. Dean Owen seconded the Of previous question," and wished Mr Jones had supported the principle of undenominationalism with a slightly more unde- nominational spirit. Mr T. Gee (Denbigh) moved that the word "general" (before" religious teaching") should be omitted. He said that the schemes of Mr De Winton and Principal Reichel were impracticable. Supposing a Roman Catholic entered a school, would they be prepared to give Roman Catholic instruction if the parent demanded it ? They would want an Independent, a Baptist, a Roman Catholic, a High Churchman, and he did not know what else, to do that. If they went in for that system of hostels they would forfeit the goodwill of the Principality. They were deter- mined, as a nation, to have perfect religious equality and undenominational teaching in the schools. Col. Walwyn was in favour of Bible reading only and moral instruction. ° Five voted for the previous question," which was declared lost. The Chairman was about to put the other amend- ments to the meeting, when Dean Owen protested against closing an impor- tant debate like that when so many were absent. The Chairman replied that there was no closure applied. He had put it to the Dean that he should not speak a second time on the same question, as some members of the conference bad to leave by train, but if the very rev. gentleman wished to spe ik again he could do so. Dean Owen, therefore, went on reply amid cries of Vote." A vote was then taken, when eight voted for Principal Reichel's rider and six for Mr Gee's amendment to omit the word "general." For the original motion there were eighteen, and against it three. The motion was, therefore, declared carried. ASHFORD SCHOOL. On the motion of Mr Humphreys Owen, seconded by Mr T. E. E'lis. M.P., it was resolved :—" To call attention to the evidene given before, snd the examinations made by the departmental com- mittee on the subject of the Ashford School, and to move that the Charity Commissioners be requested to inquire into the present condition and prospects of the charity, with a view to ascertain whether any alteration is desirable in its administration and application, and especially the transfer of the school itself to some site in the Principality. The proceedings then terminated.

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