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CARNARVONSHIRE POLICE COMMITTEE. SEARCH FOR THE MISSING CARNARVON MAN. OUTSIDE ASSISTANCE SUGGESTED. POLICING OF LLANFAIRFECHAN ANOTHER CONSTABLE SUGGESTED. (From Our Reporter.) The quarterly meeting of the Carnarvonshire Joint Police Committee was held to-day week at Carnarvon. Mr J. R. Hughes (the chairman) presided, and the other members present were Col. Lloyd Evans, Ca.pt. N P. Stewart, Dr. Datton, Dt. Jones Roberts, Dr. Robert Owen, Messrs, Eprir-aun Wood, D. P. Williams, R. Jones Roberts, J. Evan Roberts, J. Jones Morris, Jonathan Davies, W. II. Rhodes, R. E. Joiiei, Maurice Janes, W. J. Parry, with the Cierk (Mr A. Bcdvel Roberts) and the Chief Constable (Coi. Ruok). INVESTITURE HELMETS FOR THE POLICE. It was dccided to adopt a new form of head- gear for the constables and superintendents in ull-e county, Mr J. R. Pritchard remarking that ui view of the investiture next year it was well ihat the poieo 01 the county should look as nuait as possihle. He said the committee re- mm-ondc-cl the present helmets with a chain curb by way of ornamentation. The polioe only obtained new heimets every eight or ten years. THE CHAIRMAN: What aro the new hel- mets gomu; to cost? MR J. R. PRiTCHARD: Perhaps the firm will charge a little more for the curb which is to be uied instead of the strap. The present fcoimot looks a bit mournful. After seine discussion, in the. coursc of whicn IL member donrivi samples of the prory-edliet- inetfc in order that the rest of the committee might- study the effect, it was decided to pur- t.ia&c a helmet with a white- curb chain, it be- ing smaller than the one tlScd at present; and tor t'he superintendents and inspectors the pre- sent form of caps were decided upon with th-j addition of silver braiding- M: J. R. PRITCHARD mentioned thttiec-al fair-* were invited to tender, but none did so. REFORMATORY SCHOOL CHARGES. MF J. R. PRITCHARD intimated that the Boriiniuttees of two reformatory schools to whicli 34 Carnarvonshire children had been sent had decided to increase their charges by Is a week fo-. each boy, as the inspectors were urging the jchooLi to give better education and to better "o Jqtnp the schools. A small committee was appointed to oonsider the matter and the agreements made with the Xiiools as to the charges. THE TRAMP NUISANCE. JOINT ACTION RECOMMENDED. The report of a sub-committee appointed to cor.sider a resolution that representation be Glide to the Homo Olhoo that it is desirable that an effectual and comprehensive scheinj •boukl be formulated for de-aim# with vagiau &<! presented. Th-e report staged that Mr Greaves referred to the Report on Vagrancy of the Departmental Committee of 1906, which >oriained much valuable information and many (excellent) recommendations, but apparently the Government had taken no action on the re- tpmrnendatioiM. The Cterk also submitted a letter, from Mr YVa-ugh, flaywards Heath, ex- paining a system established in Sussex for the purpose of suppressing, as far as may be, the professional tr am p by making his travels as irksome as possible, whilst at the same time not tampering the bona fide working man in search of work. Having considered the said letter, and having also heard from the Chairman many of the statements and recommendations con- tained in the aforesaid Report on Vagrancy, it was resolved that it be recommended that the Government be asked forthwith to formuiate a icheino for dealing with vagrants on the ba:is of the rccomrnendation of the Departmental Committee on Vagrancy oil 1S06. It was also resolved that in the meantime su ps be taken by the Standing Joint Committee of this county in CO-op crac-On with the Boards of Guardians 01 tVdor.s in and adjoining the county for the Wishing of a system for dealing? with vagrants on the basis of that in vogue in Sussex, subject, bown-er, to any alterations that may appear desirable. It was further resolved that a copy of the Report be seat to ad too members of the sub-committee, and that the subject (A framing a scheme as rocom,mended in the last resolution be entrusted to the committee. COL. LLOYD EVANS said that Mr Waugh in his letter suggested that bre.a.d only should be given all professional tramps and bread ajwi cheese to the genuine working man in search of employment, but he (Col. Evans) called the attention of the sub-oommitteo to the faot that if only bread were given the professional tramp it would afford him an excuse for begging for son:cth; tig to eat with it. Mr J. EVAN ROBERTS remarked that a cotife-renoe of Boards oif Guardians had been ld in Baisgor to doal with the same. question. MR MAURICE JONES pointed out that the sceem-a in Wse-t Sus<sex might not bo applicable in Carnarvonshire. The North Wales counties shsuH co-operate to formulate a scheme. He tnoved, instead of the recommendation, oon- tained in the report, that the opinion of the »c joining counties should be sought, and this was agreed to. MR J. R. PRITCHARD said he noticed scores of children walking about the country with tramps. They attended no school and would natural!v-drift to the tramp oliuss. It was decided to refer the matter to a special Committee to formulate a scheme. LLYSFAEN MAGLSTERIAL PROCEEDINGS. At the last meeting of the Standing Joint Com- mittee. the question as to whether magisterial proceedings arising in Llysfaen parish be taken before Carnarvonshire or Denbighshire justie-en, (ft as submitted to a committee for consideration and report. The following recommendations were made by the committee :-Tha.t the constable in Llysfaen be directed to take all proceedings arising in the parish before Carnarvonshire justices; that a house be rented for the occupation of the police eonstable in the parish, in which was (or to which as attached) a room that could be utilised as H lock-up in case of need; that the Chief Con- stable be asked to ascertain whether or not there ,was a room in the parish that could be hirod for e purpose of holding petty sessions therein; and that the justices of the Conway division be iequested to occasionally hold petty sessions in fuch room when required, for the hearing of pases arising in the said parish. The report was adopted. PROPOSED POLICE STATION AT LLANDUDNO.. It was reported that a deputation of the com fciittee had waited upon the Llandudno Council, and urged that the Council should assist the committee in obtaining a site for new police pre- mises, and that it was very desirable in the in- terests both of the town of Llandudno and the county that the Council should offer (on rea- sonable terms) a portion of the Council yard for the purpose. The Council promised to consider Che matter. The CLERK stated he had sinoe received a letter from the Clerk to the Llandudno Council in which he stated that a plan had been pre- parc-d showing the land which could be placed at th 3 disposal of the Police Committee by a re- arrangement of the Market Hall and existing pro- perty. To cover the cost of re-arranging the premises the Council would require to be paid the sum of £900. The committee of the Council who had considered the matter had grave doubts however, whether the Council could part with any portion of the yard as their requirements for depot purposes were increasing year by year. They recommended that a site should be procured in Oxford-road. They had ascertained that a plot of land in Oxford-road had not yet been disposed of, and the agent of the Mostyn Estate ■^ated that Lord Mostyn was prepared to con- sider any new application by the Police Commit- tee for the purchase of that sill'. But in the event of the Police Committee failing to secure that site the Council would sub-demise a plot of land in the yard, the price being £900. At a meeting of the sub-committee that morn- ing it was decided to ask tho Surveyor to visit the proposed sites in company with tho sub- committees appointed to visit Conway Police Buildings re cells and Carnarvon Police Station re lavatories. TME MISSING CARNARVON MAN, SUGGESTED EXPERT ASSISTANCE. MR v. J. PARRY inquired what progress had Veil made in the search of William Dalies, the basing Carnarvon man-? The CHIEF CONSTABLE: The only thing I have to report is that in conformity with the re- solution of this committee a reward of E50 has been offered for information concerning him. So far the reward has not been claimed. The police have had the matter constantly in mind. having made every inquiry: 1 every possible search. The CHAIRMAN There is a feeling that it has b,n too much in mind, and that the matter has not got any further. CHIEF CONSTABLE: Inquiries and a search have been made. MR W. J. PARRY: And you have found no trace of him after the night he was missed in January or February? CHIEF CONSTABLE: A report was made to the police that he had been seen in South Wales, but whether thlit is true or not it is impossible to say with certainty. Inquiries were made of the South Wales police, and the statement was followed tip. Thc. CHAIRMAN You are satisfied that every- thing possible has been done? CHIEF CONSTABLE: Yes. MR JONES ROBERTS suggested that the Chief Constable should obtain the services of a London c vpert The CHAIRMAN: That is a matter entirely for Col. Ruck. MR YV J. PARRY remarksci that it was an important case and the committee should not lose sight of it. MR JONES ROBERTS: Wo will lose sight of it unless we take different steps. I propose we take into consideration the question of employing an expert if the expense will not be heavy. The police down here are not expected to be as clever as experts in matters of this kind. MR W J. PARRY seconded that the Chief Constable be asked to obtain assistanoe. The CHAIRMAN: The Chief Constable al- ready has that power. CHIEF CONSTABLE: I don't think so. I djn't think I have power to incur that expense. The CHAIRMAN: Col. Ruck can employ the whol^ kingdom if he likes. MR JONES ROBERTS: Col. Ruck did not know that or I. The CHAIRMAN: You ought to, as an old ni l gist rates' clerk. MR JONES ROBERTS Yes, but I have not been a Chief Constable (laughter). The CLERK ruled that the. Chief Constable would rot, with out the consent of the committee, be entitled to incur expenditure of an extraor- dinary character. If he did he would be person- ally liable. MR JONES MORRIS as lied whether the Chief Constable felt disposed; to employ outside assistance 'it he had the necessary authority? CHIEF CONSATBLE: I don't see myself that it. would be any good employing an expert from London or anywhere else. MR J. R. Pritchard said that certain state- ments concerning the man wero made and con- tradicted shortly afterwards. MR MAURICE JONES saw no objection to Colonel Ruck employing outside assistance. The CHAIRMAN thought that if Col. Ruck was of the opinion that the local force would be Msiste-d in carrying out the course of justice by employing outside assistance he, had the power to do so just the same as he had: the right to go outside the county for police. CHIEF CONSTABLE: I have- no authority to go outside the county for police. The CHAIRMAN Some time ago foreign police were brought here and- as a member of the Police Committee I knew nothing about it. CHIEF CONSTABLE: They have never been brought here without proper authority. MR JONES ROBERTS moved that if at any time the Chief Constable considers it desirable to engage a detective or any person from outside the county he shall be authorised to do so. This waa carried. MR JONES MORRIS: Is he to engage one in this case ? The CHAIRMAN: If he thinks proper. POLICING OF LLANFAIRFECHAN. The CHIEF CONSTABLE stated that a depu- tation from the Llanfairfechan District Council had waited upon him with the view of having an extra constable established in Llanfairfechan all tiie year round. At present an extra officer was stationed there during the summer months. The deputation which oonsisted of Dr. Arch- dall and Mr Timmins, pointed out the. increase in the population of Llanfairfedhan which with Aber stood at 3,169; the increase duties cast upon the local oflice through sheep dipping, the new works at the quarries and also the impor- tance of the junction between the main road and station road which required the constant super- vision of a constable. The increased rateable value of the placo was advanced as another rea- son. He told the deputation that he could not possibly do anything himself. There was no doubt that the place was under-policed as com- pared with the rest of the cOlwty-tho police- man for the population of 3,000 as compared with the policeman to every 1,400 or 1,500 persons, the average for the rest of the county. He also agreed with the deputation as to the increased duties oast upon the ofhoor, but as regarded the new works, a few ext.ra men were employed but they were all old residents of Llajifairfochan. There was something in the argument about the crossroad., and as to the higihl rateable value. The CHAIRMAN: Yes, but is that not owing to the fact that they have taken a good part of it from Penmaenmawr ? The CHIEF CONSTABLE said that on the other luind very little crime had been committed in Llanfairfechan. During the year ended August last there were only 20 non indictable cases in the place with four indictable offences including one from Aber. OOL. LLOYD EVANS: How does it compare with Pemnaeiimawr ? CHIEF CONSTABLE I have not got the figures for Penmaenmawr. MR J. R. PRITCHARD thought that a oon- stable from a portion of the county with a de- creasing population might ba sent to Llan- fairfechan. He proposed that a committee be appointed to consider the matter. 001,. LLOYD EVANS in seconding, said it would b interesting to obtain a, report as to the policing of the whole oounty in regard to the number of tho population. The motion wii carried. CHIEF CONSTABLE'S REPORT. In his report the CHIEF CONSTABLE stated that the Government! Inspector 'had pointed out trie iinsuitability of the present Police Station at Llandudno and also commented unfavourably upon the polioe cells at Conway, suggesting that tine ground now occupied by the old stable might be used for the provision of better oells. He also suggested i i n p ro ve merits at Carnarvon Polioe Station. Owing to failing sight P.S. Evan Roberts (2) was incapacitated from the proper performance of hi" duties. He had been in the force sinoe 1897 a.nd was 39 years, of age. The committee decidod to grant him a pension.
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NORTH WALES ADVERTIS- ING BOARD. CONFERENCE AT LLANDUDNO. PRESS EXCLUDED. The first conference of the secretaries of the different associations affiliated to the North Wales Advertising Board, and the Executive Wmmittee of the same was held to-day week M ^unodtCnamber, Town Hall, Llandudno. Mr Charles Jones, the chairman of the Board was unable to be present, and Mr Robert Ro- berts,C.C., as vice-president, was voted to the chair. Several apologies for absence were read. The agenda was a remarkably long one, but before the meeting commenced Mr Evan R. Davics, Pwllheli, secretary of the Carnarvonshire Education Committoe, proposed that the Press b. excluded from the meeting. This motion was seconded. Mr Owen Owens, Bangor, moved as an amendment that the Press be allowed to re-' main, but that they be appealed to by the Chair- man not to report anything which might be un- desirable in the interests of the Board. The amendment was also seconded, but on a division the motion of Mr Evan R. Davics was carried, and our representative was obliged to retire. Though we cannot report the business proceed- ing- we take the liberty of saying that members of the Conference lunched wisely and well at tho Grosvenor Restaurant after the meeting was over. If Mr E. R. Davies objects to this being men- tioned we are sorry.
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DOLWYDDELEN WATER SUPPLY. OPPOSITION TO THE SCHEME AT THE PUBLIC INQUIRY. DIWEINYDD LAKE SUGGESTED AS ANOTHER SOURCE. NO SMOKING ALLOWED BY THE INSPECTOR. (From Our Reporter.) Mr A. A. G. Malet, M. Inst., C.E., on behalf of tho Local Government Board, held a public inquiry to-day week at the Assembly Rooms, Dolwydidelen, relative to the application of the Geirionydd Rural District Council for sanction be borrow JE2600 for purposes of water supply for the parish of Dolwyddiekm. The inquiry was announced to commence at 10.30 a.m., but the Inspector decided upon an adjournment until 2 p.m., when the Assembly Room was almost full of interestsd ratepayers, who listened to the proceedings until the inquiry closed at 5.45 p.m. The following' attended in support of tho application:—Messrs D. G. Jones amd YV. Evans (representing the Geirionydid Rural District Council); Messrs O. E. Parry, W. P. Hughes, John Evans, E. J. Davies, Evan Jones, 0 McLill, aiid R. P. Hughes (Clerk), for the Par- ish Council; Messrs T. Hug;hes (Clerk to the Geirionydd Council), Dr. Travis (ivicdical Officer of Health), Mr T. Griffith (Engineer), Mr II. P. Evans (Surveyor), and Mr E. Evans (County Surveyor). Mr R. O. Davies appeared to oppose the ap- plication on b'<:half of the Prince Llewelyn Quarry Co., Messrs W. F. Ellis, H. H. BeU, J. S. Fester, O. E. Pa.rry, and M. Stobart. The Inspector having taken his seat, Mr T. Lloyd Jones, of Liverpool, got up in the body of the hall, and said:—"With regard to the adjournment of this inquiry from 10.30 a.m. to 2 p.m., I think it would bJ convenient for the ratepayers if it was further adjourned until 7.30 p.m., when the working men would be able to attend." The Inspector: I am afraid I cannot adjourn the inquiry again. I heard from Mr R. 0. Davies last night to the effect that he had a special case at the County Court, so I de- cided, after consulting the Clerk, to adjourn, tho inquiry for the few hours in order to enable 'him to attend. Mr Lloyd Jones: There were some ratepayers here this morning who are unable to attend this afternoon, but who would probably ba present at 7.30 p.m. If you consider t'he individual, surely you will oonsi-cbr the ratepayers at large. The Inspector: If they were desirous of at- tending this inquiry, I presume they would have made a special effort to atteintd. Mr R. 0. Davies had not that the adjourn- ment of the inquiry would inconvenience any- one. It is a special case and a special reason is palpable to jusitify my action. If the rate- payers were anxious to at-temd they would un- doubtedly leave tti-e 'r work to do so. Mr Lloyd. Jones: I would like to test the opin- t.1 of this meeting on the matter. The Inspector: No, I do not think I can ad- jouni the inquiry a- ain. We must proceed with the work. Mr R. O. Davies: I am sorry to think that the inquiry was adjourned for my convenience. You, sir, had the [cower to adjourn the inquiry in order to allow you an opportunity to inspect the site of the proposed1 works. It is no more con- venient for me to be here at 2 p.m. than at 10.30 a.m. STATISTICS. Mr T. llughes, Clerk to the Geirionydd Rural District Council, sa.id tho population of the par- ish was 1112; the area concerned 500; rateable value, £ 3522; assessable value, £ 2798. Under the Public Health Act the assessable value was 1;2440. T.ha present rates were: Poor rate, 58 8d; district rate, Is; water rate, 6d. The application wa.s for sanction to borrow JB2603 at 3j per cent, per annum for 30 years. There were no outstanding loans. The Inspector: Is there a special charge on the parish relative. to its water supply? The Clerk: Yes. Is the proposed work entirely in the diatr.ot ? —Yes. Mr T. Griffith said lie was Engineer to the Council, and had undertaken similar work in conjunction with the late Mr Melntyre. Mr K Evans, the County Surveyor, Carnarvonshire, was with him in tho present scheme, and as a matter of fact knew a little more* about it than he (Mr Griffith) did. Mr E. Evans, who was then called, said he had prepared plans and estimate of the scheme for the engineer. The gathering ground was high up on the slopes of Moel Siabod', at an altitudo ranging- from 1200 to 2600 foot above the sea level, and free from dwelling houses, culti- vated hind, and other sources oi pollution. The area of the gathering ground was 320 acres, the rainfall ho had put down at 00 inches a 3-loar, although lie had: no doubt 'it was much more. Mr Gethin Jonas had recorded over 100 inches at this altitude, and after allowing' for percola- tion and evaporation for a period of three con- secutive years, he was of opinion that the aver- age rainfall would be about 58 inches, which waa equal to 421,080.000 gallons a year in the water shed. It was intended to store a propor- tion of the rainfall in a storage reservoir with a capacity of 3,267,000 gallons. This was sum- cient to supply the population of Dolwyddelen for a period of 326 days from the reserve. It was intended to convey the water by means of three-inch east iron pipes to the main road about lialf-in-llo from the village where it would be connected to the existing four-in ah main. This pipe would! discharge 60 gallons per min- ute or 86,000 gallons per da.y, or about EIGHT TIMES THE QUANTITY REQUIRED. for a population of 500. Mr T. Griffith: Now, if you will allow me, I will deal with the land. The Inspector: It is very unusual to divide the evidence like this. t Mr R. O. Davies I really do not know where I am. Until the question of the land is settled it isn't worth going on with the scheme. Tho Inspector: Now, Mr Griffith, let me know your position relative to the land. Mr Griffith: Mr E. Noel Humphreys, agent of the estate, writing on February 19th, 1903, in answer to the Council, offered the facilities re- quired at an annual rental of £50. The Coun- cil esteemed the rent too high. In another let- ter da-ted Well April, 1909, Mr Humphreys offered a special reduction, to JE25 per annum in "0 consideration of the depression in the slate trade. The Council, however, still considered (Hie rent too high. Mr Humphreys, writing on 19th July, 1909, further reduced the rent to £ 20 per annum, stating that it was the last eon-cession that would be made. The Inspector on a lease for 99 years? Mr Griffith: Yes. The Inspector: Any arra,n-ge.ments under Sec- tion 325 of the Public Health Act? Mr Griffith: We have arranged! with those we consider will be affected. The Inspector: Who are the parties you have arranged1 with? Mr Griffith: WitJJ. Mr E. B. Lloyd, Gorddiman and the owner of Haiod Gweniiian Farm, who have consented. The Inspector: Without any restriclions ?-In the case of Hafod Gw-etnll Ian Farm any sub- stantial damage done, compensation shall be made to them by agreement or by arbitration. The Inspector: Any supply of water to be granted them ?—Only by the means of four-inch pipes to provide compensation water to the two tenants who will be affectod to which they have agreed, the Garnedd and1 Ffrith Farms, as far as they were concerned, wrote that they would procure horse power provided the Council granted each farm £10 towards the cost. Mr Roberts, Garnedd, subsequently wanted the amount raised to j312 in, order to form a small reservoir on the farm to rncSet its requirements. Then Mrs Davies, Ffrith, wrote that her hus- band should have oonsiderod the matter more minutely as £10 was not enough, and she could not do on less than £ 12. This would ensure them the water rights and easements from the intake to the main. The Inspector: What about the leet crossing the stream which. I have seon ? Have they the right to take water out of the same stream?— Mr Griffith: Tho quarry agent states that the only rights given in the quarry lease of the leet is to take a supply through the channel only, but they have no right; to take any water from the stream to effect the supply. The Inspector: You are to arrange with the quarry lessee for the st.ream to be kept in good order ?—Yes. The Inspector: No presumptive rights to tako water out of the stream to effect your supply?- No. Mr R. O. Davies: Mr E. Evans has submitted some figures. Was he appointed by the Council? Mr Griffith: No. It is a private matter between you and Mr Evans then ?—Yes. Who prepared fee specifications ?—I did. And you prepared the plans a!30!-Yes.. The oontraot-or tendered on thedo plans said specifications ?—Take it so. Is it so?—It is. Your terms are five-per oant. ?—Yes. And your Council are not liable to Mr Eyatte ? —W9. » Did a Mr Hughes assist you?—Yes, he is an Associate of the Institiu!) of Civil Engineers. Then there were different persona engaged at the work, and it was altered?—I made a survey three times. Why were they altered?—The authority oon- sid-ered; it advisable. Whoso scheme is tlis which is put forward to-day ?—Mr Evans' and mine combined. Are you going to carry if out?—Certainly. What part has Mr Evans in it ?-Ho is with me. Who is responsible?—I am. Then, I oug-ht to ask you the questions?—But he will be JOINTLY RESPONSIBLE. wit2* me Am I to understand that the peroontage you mentioned will be the only Temunoration both you and Mr Evans will receive?—Yes. Any extras of any kind?—No. Five per cent, on £ 2600 will over all your expenses and Mr Evans'?—Yes. The Inspector: Travelling expenses extra., I suppose ?—No. Mr Davies: Have you heard that the owners of Diweinydd Lake made an offer of the lake to the villages as a water supply some time ago,?- Not until to-day. Therof is ample supply of wator there for this and other parishes as well, is there not?—Yea. You have heard that the Parish Council was offered all the water) they required aa a. rent of jBS) per annum including ail loaaoments ?-Not until to-day whom the Clerk toLd me he bad been informed 50. Will you agroa with me if that offer was made it would be a very substantial one ?—Provided the Council had not to supply anyone else, it would be. The lake is within hall of the main?— A little more. You propose to expend £ 1200 on a. d;nl ?-Yes. It would be xiTinccossary at Diweinydd ?—Tho question has not been gone into. Thy 'are the same owners. Did you ask them to supply you with wat'-r from this lake?—No. Did it. ever ooour to you to secure it from this take?—The water was already granted to the slat.o quarry. Do you think that there is not enough water for both the village and the quarry ? No, there was an embankment. You said all the sources of supples were ex- amined ?—Yes. And you have got Bryntirion ?— It is 700 feet above the sea level. This source was not considered at a sufficient height then?—You will admit it would be much the 1':)¡3 expensive scheme?—Of course. Only about a 1000 yards of piping required? The cost would only bo about half ?—Yes, rough- ly- Mr R. O. Davies: My contention is that itisuffioient attention has been given to this mat- ter, and that there are other eohemes which would have done equally well at a much I cost- Is it not true that the reason you adopted this scheme was that, the water supply is not avail- able at. the '.highest points of the village? Could you. not now get sufficient height from Bryntir- ion ?—Not in my opinion. How high; is it ?—;700 feet. The higthest dwollitng -lio! £ ?>(> 1J1 the district is the Barracks which is 610 feet !1—Yes, now. No on, c would dream of building there again —I have had ain application. What became of it?—It was just mentioned to iiid. Having made all possible meiuiries, do you still say "this is the best you oa.n think of ?—Ex- eept that which you pub to me, Diweinydd. Then why did you not approach the owners relative to it. You have been dealing with them all along?—Mr Humphreys wrote to state that he could not again' entertain tae granting of a supply from Diweinydd in 190o. lou never approached him m regard to it v ourwlf ?—No. v You have had the water analysed?—Acs. Are you going to filter it?—Yes. Any screening chambers there?—There axe °The land by the proposed water supply is peatv soil?—Yes. All the surrounding" .area?—I could not say so. Is it your opinion that you must have this reservoir there —Is is my op'.nion. You know your authority had an UNFORTUNATE EXPERIENCE AT PEN- MACHNO? -1 was not in that scheme. You are not going to touch the existing mains .at all?—No. Are they 4in. pipes?—For a certain dis- tanoo, yes. They have been down for over 30 years? The medical officer of health in 1898 said they were much oorroi-ed?—May bo. You do not think of renewing the mains at once?—I am hopeful that the extra pressure will clean them. Really now, do you not think this extra pressure will finish them? If they have to be renewed, what would be the extra cost?—■ I have not gone linto the matter. About 5s a yard?—Yes. Tlftit would make about, X700. What is the length from the intake to the village where the 4in. pipes are?—A little over half 'a mile. If your hopes are not realised, and they will not stand the extra pressure it would mean a substantia] addition to the cost of the scheme?—The statement I would care to make is this, that the Rural District Council as well a.s the Parish Council have he-an engaged on this question for .a number of years, and at Last have arrived .at a solution. I may say that both bodies axe in favour of the scheme put forward, and in my opinion it is an admirable scheme for the locality. The source of supply is beyond the possibility of pollution. The land is only grazed by shoop, and J think the land of Bryntirion, -which will be included in the catchment area, is grazed by cattle as well. In the past the question of water supply was a hard problem. I think it is a rigM thing for this locality to secure a. permanent supply of water. The Inspector: The only point that strikes me is that the source of these lakes will be the best as they are natural lakes. Mr Griffith: I still contend (that it is an important matter for the water to bo beyond the possibility of contamination. The quality of the water ;is similar in both cases. The Inspector: You do not q uestion the fact that a supply from Diweinydd would be preferable?—I do not know. Being a .natural lake it would be preferable for that treason only. The Inspector Would it be more expensive? --I should say it would. The Inspector: Have you prepared a. com- parative statement tof the cost?—No. Tho Inspector On what points would it be more expensive?—The terms would be much in exceiss. The Inspector: Than what you are asked for in the source now under consideration?— Th-er-o Pvould be more riparian rights. Th-e Inspector In what way ?—Thene would be more riparian owners. These "lakes are considered very valuable. They are natural basins. Mr Lloyd Jones I thought Mr Griffith said it was not obtainable at any price? MT R. O. Davics That was in 1906. Mr E. Evans, examined by Mr R. O. Da- vies, said: "The soil is not mostly composed of peat, but only a thin layer on the surface. It io not ipeaty ground. MT Davies: Do you not think that in time organic growth will be there?-No, there is too much idisturhances at these latitudes. Is it not common on mountains, when the bottom is not concrete, to find such growths? —Only in stagnant (waters. Do the mains 'require renewing?—I do not k-n-ow without examining them. Some last 60 years. The whol-e cost would not be more than X-500. The question is the want of a supply and pure water. Have other sources been examined.?—I have seen Diweinydd Lake. It is possible the cost of securing a supply from it would be MORE THAN DOUBLE that of the scheme, as the embankment would have to be a very long one, and only !rock at the bottom. There would be more per- sons and riparian (owners to deal with. You bave heard there is an ample supply of waiter there?—By embanking. The Inspector They are (natural lakes ?—In three consecutive years of dry weather the supply would be practically nothing". Mr Davies: When were you there? In June, this year. You have seen Bryntirion?—No. When did you appear on the scene ?—About twelve months ago. Mir Lloyd Jones: Is thape a dam of any im- portanoo at Diweinydd?—No, you cannot call it a dam, only a few sods piled one IOn the other, and a few stones. I heard there was?—Only mounds. Mr R. O. Davies: It is an extraordinary thing that a mound would keep such a quantity of witrer in plaice. MT Lloyd Jones: If the existing one is for the quarry you would require a higher one for the patigh ?-Yes, if the-authority put an embankment up at all, they -would have to put 'up a proper one with adequate founda- tion. MT ffjloyd Jones: The existing main would have to foe done up in the usual course?—In. the course of time. Mr H. P. Evans, surveyor to the Geirion- ydd Council, put in a plan showing the ex rt- ing water supply atrra-ngements. Th.9 Inspector: Is fthere a GROWTH IN THE POPULATION anticipated ?—Not under the present condition of the slate trade. Any proposal to extend the scheme to other areas?—There is nothing before thie authorit ,r suggesting such a proposal. What consumption is required? Twenty gallons per head. What is the least storage you can do wi' h F Mr T. Griffith: 150 days. The Inspector: Why do you want to strre it for that period? Mr Griffith: The records do not extend so far back that we can say they are the n; mÎ- mum. j What will the reservoir cost?—, £ 1246 15s Have you taken out an estimate for a smaller service reservoir?—No. Do you not think it would not be better to postpone the reservoir, and provide a reservoir to start with?—I think I 'am right in advising the Council to go in for the larger scheme now. According to your gauge you havo enough for your daily consumption?—TiLe records d-o not go back fair enough to make fit a proper record. You have no data as to how much you will require?—About three million gallons. Why not one or two?—I think (having re- gard to the possibility of a. dry period accruing that it is certainly better fto provide ample storage, more than may be necessary at the present time. It will never be the wish of the authority to fall back on it ho present source of supply, having regard to the conditions existing. Mr H. P. Evans said the intake for the pre- sent supply was situated on the Ll-cdr River, a short distano9 below Roman Bridge. The' water Tan lib rough 4in. cast iron pipes from the intake along the river bank for 400 yards into the road nasr Pontycalp, and then on to the village. During the latter part of lune some inconvenience was caused because dicep were washed, the water being turned off for that purpose. What is the condition of the pipes?—More or leas corroded. How long ago were the pipes laid?—Thirty years. Mr Lloyd Jones: Is there a filter attached to fthe present supply?—No, it passes through perforated iron gratings. What is thra nearest sanitary convenience to the water source?—Four hundred yards. Was there a case of typhoid near the ir- take last year?—Yes. How far from it?—Four hundred yards. The Inspector: You have the same water population as before?—Yes. {SMOKING PROHIBITED. Mr Lloyd Jones (.addressing the Inspector): Do you object to smoking, it is very cold here. The Inspector I would like a smoke myself, but under the circumst-ance-s we must abstain from the,pleasure. Mr Lloyd Jones: Can't we adjourn for tev minutea for a smoke (laughter). Mr Richards (to the Inspector): I can sup- ply you with a cigarette, sir (laughter). Mir R. 0. Davies (to the clerk): Can you tell us fcho charge on the water works per annum?—It is on the balance sheet. Any deficit will be made up out of the general account?—Yes. t Mr R. O. Davies: I am not here to oppose a scheme for providing the parish with n better water supply if the water in the exist- ing supply is bad. Dr. Travis: The present supply is UNFIT FOR HUMANE CONSUMPTION. Mr R. O. Davies: No doubt. It is common ground that the existing supply is not what it should be, and all wish to have it improved, but the lo&al authority should exercise every possible care not to burdcill the parish too heavily. We have heard that the con- tractors have -ci=h to give ffond for £ 300. In my opinion this is not enough. One of the contractors is the village joiner end the other a hotel keeper. It is a matter for the Council to consider, of course, whether they have (selected the best men for such important work. If they fcdl tc, carry out the contract, the local authority would be placed in an awkward position. It is an extraordinary thing .that the mains have not been tested; if it is necessary to renew them it will rost an additional £700. That me.ans increasing the outlay to < £ 3300; £ 2600 .means an'addi- tional rate of Is I-,I-d in the X, and £;330 'amounts to Is 5d in the X. We have heard from the clerk that the rate is 7s 2d in the .P,. It is not for me to offer any comment, but I cannot help but regard it as a strange arrangement bet ween Mr Griffith and Mr jE. Evans. The authority is to be congratulated on having secured the services of Mir p. Evans on such favourable terms. The pro- posal to secure water from those two natural lakes has not been investigated by the engineer. He admitted it was the better supply, and I submit that it is the cheapest, and I further submit that if all the souroes were investigated this would have been the one ucoepted. Another point I wish to allude to is the storage reservoir. Is thia really necessary? There is provided in the scheme a storage for 300 days. This, I contend, is xnMiecessary. A smaller service reservoir would prove ample. The .authority should be asked to reconsider, not only this scheme, but also consider the advisability of securing another source of supply. Mr Foster, for the opposition, submitted, several schemes, which he contended would prove both better and cheaper. Dr. Fras&r, in reply to the Inspector, said he quite approved of the proposed scheme, and .also the reservoir. The sooner th, pre- sent supply was done away with the better. Mr Lloyd Jones; I unfortunately have to drink the water now supplied to the village, while only two of those opposing the scheme have to do so. The scheme is introduced by the Rural District Council and the Parish Council. Tho members of both these publif bodies are reliable men, and not likely to neglect their public duties, and have un- doubtedly etudi-cd every source before .adopt- ing the present scheme, and are not likely to bring before the Inspector a petti fogging one (he>ar, hear). This scheme is undoubted- ly an excellent one. You cannot possibly ly an excellent one. You cannot possibly expect ono for less than £ 2600. It is most important that we should have pure water and plenty of it, a light we can demand of the authority (applause). Every Tom, Dick and Harry, appear to be prepared :with his pet scheme to-day (loud applause). Why not pull together. He had spoken to scores of 'the inhabitants, and could assure the In- spector that they were ell in favour of this scheme, which could not be improved upon (cheers). On the motion of Mr Lloyd Jones, seconded by Mr R. O. Davies, a vote of thanks was accorded the Inspector for the careful manner ho had carried out his duties.
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