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BALA. BALA EISTEDDFOD.—We are glad to learn that the financial result of the recent Eisteddfod was a surplus of about 30 guineas over and above the expenditure. This sum will no doubt form a substantial nucleus for next year. LLANFOR SCHOOL BOARD.-At a meeting of the Board, held on Saturday last, Mr. W. 1. Rowlands presiding, the vacant post of Assistant Mistress at C w mtirmynach School was filled by the appointment of Miss Maud Owen, Cwmtirmynach School House. Monthly reports from two of the schools were read, viz., from Cwmtirmyriach and Rhosygwaliau. The attendance was not very satisfactory, and was attri- buted chiefly to illness. The weather during the month was also the cause of the absence of several children from long distances. PETTY SESSIONS.—On Saturday last, before Col. Evans-Lloyd and John Parry, Esq., the adjourned case of the Bala Guardians against G. Hughes was heard. The .original hearing was on the 19th April last, when defendant was charged with neglecting his wife and children, The case was adjourned to this day to receive the Relieving Officer's Report on his behaviour since that hearing. Mr. Edward Jones, the Relieving Officer, reported that there was a de- cided improvement in the condition of affairs. He was now maintaining his family and the children were attending school. After receiving the satis- factory report, the Justices further adjourned the case sine die. APPOINTMENT.—Inspector Morgan was appointed Inspector under the Explosives Act, to succeed In- spector Roberts. PUBLIC CEMETERY. A PLEBISCITE CALLED FOR. A Public Meeting was held at the County Hall on Friday last to consider the question of establishing a Public Undenominational Cemetery for the town of Bala. The room was well filled, the assemblage representing all the religious denominations in town,-the Established Church as well as Noncon- formists. Mr. R. W. Roberts, J.P., Chairman of the Urban District Council, presided, and in the course of his opening remarks said the matter of a Public Undenominational Cemetery was introduced about a year ago by Mr. Rees, who may be said to be its pioneer. The motion proposed by him on the 4th February, 1898, was to the following effect, That the Council proceed to provide a public unfle- nominational cemetery to be under the control of the Urban Council." An amendment was proposed and seconded that the matter be deferred to the next meeting of the Council. The amendment lost, and another amend- ment moved to appoint a Committee to consider the matter and submit a report, was passed. On the 11th February, the Committee met to prepare a report, and the following resolutions were passed:- (1) That the Committee recommends that it would be desirable for the Council to proceed to provide a public undenominational burial place in accord- ance with the powers vested in them by the Public Health Interments Act, 1879. (2) That the Com- mittee recommends that it would be desirable for the Council to ascertain the views of the several Parish Councils in the Union on the matter. The report with the recommendations of the Com- mittee were formally adopted at a meeting of the Council held the same evening. The matter stood thus for a year. The Councillors' tenure of office soon came to a close, and the new Council came into existence. The pioneer of the matter withdrew and did not seek re-election. He had however obtained the promise of some of the Councillors to bring the matter forward as soon as possible as they knew the financial position of the Counctl was a year ago at a low ebb, and would not permii them to go to much expense, and there was no one then plucky enough to move on with the question. Circumstances had, however, changed, and the Council were now floating again. As soon as the late chairman had vacated the office, which he had so worthily filled, the first thing he took hold of was the matter of a public cemetery. The sections into which Mr. Jones had sub-divided his motion were almost all passed, The meeting was convened that evening to approve or disapprove of what they had done. It was very probable various opinions would be expressed that evening indeed. he courted discussion on both sides. The Clerk then read the resolutions passed at the meetings of the Council. (These have already appeared in our columns.) Col. Evans Lloyd: I should like to know what the cemetery would cost, the amount a ld. rate would produce, the number of ratepayers in the district, and the number here to-night. The Chairman replied that they could not say what the cost of the cemetery would be. It depended to a great extent how much land was required. No one knew better than Col. Evans Lloyd the cost per acre. A Id. rate would produce about £20. Mr. Thomas Evans: Col. Evans Lloyd could answer the question about the land by stating how much per acre he wouid be willing to sell land. Col. Evans Lloyd: I cannot sell any land at all. Mr. R. Ll. Jones The section relating to the probable expense was the only one not passed by the Council. It that had been passed the Com- mittee would have gone into details. At the same time he did not think that essential at the present moment. It was the principle of the thing that concerned that meeting, They would have after- wards to "-o into the ways and means. Ihe Council solicited the opinion of the ratepayers whether it was desirable from a financial point of view. Col. Evans Lloyd: It is principle to get a hat to cover the head, but before buying I must know what it will cost (laughter). I want to know the approximate cost of the cemetery. Mr. R. Ll. Jones: No suggestion has been made as to where the land is to be had, nor what extent is required. The rate will not be much, because the cost will be spread over a number of years. We are providing mostly for future generations, and they will have to pay for it. Mr. D. Jones (Birmingham House) said the reason he proposed the amendment to Mr. R. Ll. Jones' motion at the meeting of the council was because he believed that they should not incur any great expense without first consulting the rate- payers. This was done on principle. It was not compulsory to provide a cciuetery. but there were rates that it was incumbent on them to levy, and upon these they did not consult the ratepayers. He considered a rate like a cemetery rate was similar to a library rate. If the council had agreed to Mr. Jones' motion they would have been in a position to reply to Col. Evans-Lloyd's query. He questioned what committee would care to go into details, in the absence of definite information, of asking whether the ratepayers approved of the cemetery first. To his mind everything turned on what was done at the meeting that night. He believed in following the dictates of the rate- payers, and questions of the nature indicated could not be answered until they had gone into the principle of the question. Col. Evans-Lloyd observed that two acres of land would, he thought, cost from Z500 to £600. Mr. Wm. Owen (Lion Hotel) said he felt very much in this matter, because as a ratepayer, he should have probably the largest proportion to pay towards this proposed cemetery, and he questioned whether it was necessary, under the present cir- cumstances, to provide a public cemetery. The Chairman: That is a question to which we want an answer from the ratepayers generally. I do not think you can expect the council to answer Mr. Owen: The council must have made up their minds to provide a cemetery. If so, 1 should like to know upon what grounds: There must be some grounds for assuming that a cemetery was needed at all. Mr. Evan Jones said that he dissociated himself from several of his friends in this matter. Ques- tion had been asked as to the necessity for a Public Undenominational Cemetery in Bala. He strongly felt that there was great need of one. He knew the:e was a burial ground at Llanycil, but it was not in sympathy with his convictions. He felt that the proposed cemetery was necessary, because there were so many Nonconformists living in Bala. Even if he were the only one the same need would exist, but it would be more difficult to attain his object. They (the council) came there that night not because it was compulsory on them to come (for it was not so), but because they con- sidered it good policy. He was sanguine that the cemetery would be a great advantage to them (Nonconformists). He then proposed that they proceed to provide a Public Undenominational Cemetery for the town of Bala. Mr. James Jones, in seconding said he endorsed Mr. Evan Jones' remarks. Every one likes to be buried in the place most agreable to them. He should like to know who consecrated the land in the time of Abraham. Mr. William Owen: I have taken the trouble to get one or two small details with regard to the number of burials since the passing of the Burial Act, 1880. There have been 590 burials in the Parish Church of Llanycil, and Christ Churchyard, Bala, out of which only 44 have taken advantage of the new Burials Act. This averages about two persons per year. Supposing that we spend as ratepayers a sum of 500 upon a new Burial Ground, we will find in the next 20 years the average number of people who would take advan- tage of this burial ground would be perhaps 2 per annum. We all know this is a matter affecting Church and Dissenters. The Dissenters wish to get a separate unconsecrated ground apart from the consecrated ground of the Church. As to consecration, I do not lay much stress upon it. However, I can hardly see that it is necessary for us as ratepayers to go and spend this large sum of money when only an average of 2 per year take advantage of the new Act. We all know that in Wales particularly there is always _good_ feeling about burials. People like to be buried with their ancestors. We have cases in the last week or so where prominent Nonconformists having burial ground of their own, have preferred to be buried with their ancestors. I think this will be the case in future, too. Nonconformists will still make use of the Parish Church. I propose an amendment, that under the circumstances it is quite unneces- sary to have a burial ground. Mr. H. Evans, Printer, proposed a motion which was tantamount to Mr. Owen's, his motion being to the effect that it would be unjust for any public body to provide a burial ground, unless it was proved that the present burial places were full or unsatisfactory. Mr. Evans then seconded Mr. Owen's amendment. The Rev. L. D. Jenkins, Rector: Is it possible to have a public cemetery without proving that there is need of it. Would not the Local Govern- ment Board wish to be satisfied on that point ? The Chairman submitted the Council had the power to provide a public cemetery. Mr. R. LI. Jones then read the sections of the Public Health Interments Act affecting that point. The Rector: What induced Parliament to pass that Act ? Mr. R. Ll. Jones: One reason: To extend certain provisions of the P.H.A., provisions with regard to mortuaries and cemeteries. Continuing, Mr. Jones quoted the following words:—" Circumstances may exist where, in deference to the wishes of the in- habitants, it may be expedient to provide in accordance with the policy of ,he Burial Acts, a cemetery in which persons of different creeds may be buried with their own religious rites. Colonel Evans-Lloyd observed that he had no objection to a cemetery as a ceraetery. It was all right from a sanitary point of view, but it must be proved that it was necessary. They had now about half an acre given to the parish (a voice: Over an acre). It was sufficient for three generations. He thought it was a slap in the face" to the lady who gave it. It was throwing cold vater on a generous gift and a generous donor. Tie three points of his sermon were :—(1) That the, were very unkind to Mrs. Burton. (2) It tamperel with tender feel- ing it was more sentiment ttan anything else. (3) The cost. Mr. R. Ll. Jones was very cautious in not disclosing the cost, became he knew it would cost from E500 to E603. A jenny rate only pro- duced £20, so that this would ;ost about 2/5 in the pound. They should not go on with the matter without ascertaining the voiccof the ratepayers by a poll. He had asked at the Eisteddfod on Mon- day, A oes heddweh ? I was war now, but peace reigned on Monday (laughter). Mr. G. Rees said, as his liaite was mentioned in connection with it, he woul< lik6 to express his views. It was not that thce was not plenty of burial space that he initiated the matter, but be- cause public cemeteries woulc be under the control of the town, and would give Lll an equal voice in the control. He was sure veryone fully recog- nised the generous gift of Alf. Burton, but it was given for the same usage as he old churchyard; that is, it was consecrated gimnd. No one had a voice in it except the Rector. Col. Evans-Lloyd The chirchwardens. Mr. Rees There are orly wo of them. He did not say that the Rector had ;iven them any incon- venience; he had, in fac, given them every facility, but he viewed tie pinciple of the matter. The whole administratim If the new cemetery would be in the hands If he ratepayers, As to feelings, it would be nbre easy to beget a good neighbourly feeling wit] tie new cemetery than the existing churchyard!. It was only through the concession of the chre) that they buried their dead now (cries, no, nc" you have the right to do so"). But there wer(coiditiolls to be complied with. Col. Evans-Lloyd: Ory the ten commandments. Mr. Rees: I know weaave the right to go to the churchyard, but we life no right to go into the church. Mr. James Jones obs'ved that the crux of the whole question was ti rate. They contented that they wished to bemried in the manner most in sympathy with thr views. He had every respect for Mrs. Buon, and recognised her generous gift, but let very one be buried there who wished. We wat to be buried in unconse- crated ground. Mr. Wm. Owen: Lope no one thinks I have come here with any,ectarian feeling. I have come here in my owninterest altogether, I think the proposed cemeteris an unnecessary expense. As to sentiment I sha not go into the matter at all. Rev. J. Howell Hujes referred to the statistics supplied by Mr. Oweof burials under the Burials Act, 1880, and enquiri whether the number of 2 per year included the buried elsewhere than in Llanycil and Bala circhyard. He was assured that the number bued in Nonconformist Burial Grounds had not bet included. Continuing Mr. Hughes said there \s every liberty afforded at the churchyards, buithey must pay for it, and some were too poor do so. They were not on the same grounds inhis respect as Churchmen. Though every facilitwas given Nonconformists, he must say he never L at ease going there. They wanted a burial ouad in accordance with their views. Mr. J. Williams, fet Office, observed that Mr. Hughes had stated at burials must be paid for at Llanycil. All wa not paid for. The Rector did not take advance of the law. He gave Non- conformists every 3ility. It was a very small number of notices at were in compliance with the laws, but they <1 not wish to be strict. Many were ineligible to lburied at the Parish Church- yard, but they ner raised the question. He should like to ask/hether any application had been made at all tMrs. Burton to present them with a piece of consecrated ground, it was well known mont before that a presentation would be made by)r to the parish. The same want existed then it did now, and he had no doubt but that AlrBurtoii would have taken a favourable view can application of that kind. Ho did not think tie was any gwthrwm." He had seen the first buriin the new public cemetery at Llanuwchllyn. Idid not notice any great differ- ence in it. Theivas perhaps sentiment, but he hardly thought tlr should pay for that. If it was a question ofntiments Nonconformists were quite able to hav< cemetery of their own. Mr. R Ll. Jones had saiit the Council that the Church- men only forme a fifth of the district, but he submitted any rate that they paid about half the ras. Rev. J. Howellughes said it was news to him to learn what Al.Williams said about the fees. They always hao agree to pay 10s., or else they could not bury tre. He understood that this was invariably done. Mr. D. Jones (rmingham House) asked whether any one had befouriedat Llanycil under the new Act without pag ? The Rector si that the payment of 10s. was the custom beÍ) he came here. He understood this was only ash in substitution for ofirwm." He never askeor the money. as it was voluntary. If a public cetery were acquired they would still have to psor the grave and other fees. As far as buryingent, it would be much more ex- pensive undene new arrangement than it was under the old. Mr. D. T. vis referred to the circumstances leading up the gift of the new portion at Llanycil. So had remarked to him that if the N onconformh wanted a new cemetery they should provid themselves without going to the ratepayers. Rev. T. T. llips said he never heard about the portion giver the parish, until he saw the walls built around and the next thing he heard was that it had h consecrated. He had too good an opinion of 1. Barton to believe that she would be offendeddth them for proposing a new cemetery, would rather think that if she heard of ttshe would be generous enough to assist themHe said this, because her brother, Sir Henry lertson, had recently given a piece of land gratis Llandrillo. The figures submitted by Mr. Owerere the strongest argument in their favour, t-hejowed there was something rotten in the State Denmark. As to the financial view, the questiononld be raised above £ s. d. Mr. D. Je (Birmingham House) said some of the talk tl evening affected them as Council. One thing, this that unkindness was shown to a lady iue district in proceeding with this matter. T argument would not avail for one momemenThe matter of a public library had been startoefore the land had been presented. Another tr said was that there was no necessity for it. Course, they respected other people's feelings. had every respect for those who had views acke to him. Everyone knew that the contr jf cemeteries in connection with the Church e in the hands of the Church. What we want to have a cemetery under the control of the to and we wish to get the opinion of the ratepaye;lie same as was done with the public library. The Ror: But there was no library befere the present < so that the cases differ. Mr. Dnes Yes there was. Col. Es Lloyd: But it had died. Mr. Iones: No, no; continuing, Mr. Jones said thwhat he looked at all along was the quen of rate. He was of opinion that it was notht to incur this expense without full consideon. The Council had power to have the paymentended over 20, 30, 40, or even 50 years. It woubvolve on the generation most in need of the etcry. Sentiment had been introduced into thrguments. If it came to that, it affec- ted hbersonally. All his family had been buried Llanycil. If people went according to that scnent, he would not say anything against it. Itl been said that burials under the new Act lueen made without payment of fees. It was lito him he had a little to do with burials and las obliged to pay on all occasions. Tbetor: You knew, of course, it was I- offrwm.' Mr.ies: We knew that if we buried under the nict a charge was made. Th.ector: But this was done instead of offr" Mnnes I further observed that he had met with unkindness with regard to these burials. The printed notices were never pressed for, verbal notices had always been accepted. It was news to him to learn that anyone had been buried under the new Act without paying a fee of 10s. If that was so, then there was much of Mr. Jenkins's kindness brought to light. Mr. R. Ll. Jones, in bringing the discussion to a close, said they brought this question before the meeting that night on principle. They felt strongy that an unconsecrated burial ground was required. The Rector: Why are you excluding us from burying in accordance with our views. Mr. R. Ll. Jones said Nonconformists were pre- vented from burying in the Parish graveyard by laws which they practically have no control over. You will exclude yourselves from the public ceme- tery by your own laws which you can alter. Mr. Owen had mentioned that there was nothing much in consecration, but he submitted that if a yard of the land was consecrated, they would have to provide a chapel and chaplain. The Rector I know of dozens of places where there are no chapels. There was no reason that they should not proceed under the Act of 1880. Mr. R. Ll. Jones replied that the Council could not operate under the P.H.A. The Rector: But the ratepayers may. Mr. R. Ll. Jones We, as a Council, have decided to proceed under this Act, considering it the best mode of procedure, and are willing to abide to ratepayers' opinion. As to the cost, Mr. Jones said no one could say how much it would cost. In his estimate, Col. Evans-Lloyd had said it would take two acres of land, but if there was, as he bad stated, plenty of room in Llanycil for three generations, then, certainly, an acre would be ample. Sentiment was the essence of the whole question. That was the basis of every information. It was one of the greatest forces of the world. A question had been asked, Why should we pay for what Nonconformists want." But why, if it comes to that, should we pay for Church religion in Bala, as we partly do. We want to take advantage of the law. That will enable us to avoid the present order of things and the consequent frictions. Mr. R. Ll. Jones proposed and Mr. Evan Jones seconded, that the voice of this meeting be ascertained. Mr. Edward Jones proposed an amendment and Mr. John Jones seconded, that a plebiscite be secured. The original motion was withdrawn, as it was stated that there were many who would vote in favour of both.—Mr. Edward Jones's motion was then carried. Mr. J. J. Hughes proposed and Mr. D. W. Jones seconded that the voice of this meeting be ascer- tained to-night.—On being put up, 32 voted in favour of a public undenominational cemetery and 21 against. Messrs. J. Williams, Wm. Owen, with the Chair- man and Vice Chairman of the Council were appointed a committee to arrange the plebiscite which takes place at the Board School on NVedies- day or Thursday this week. the meeting was brought to a close with a vote of thanks to the Chairman on the proposition of Rev. L. D. Jenkins, seconded by Mr. J. Williams.

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